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Secession and the Future of America

 
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11/12/2012 12:09 PM

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Secession and the Future of America
So, supposing all these states that want to secede actually manage to...

How will a republican ever win again in the so-called two party system involved in elections?

What sort of framework is in place to make this actually more successful than last time?

Do you really think those billions of rounds of ammo won't be used on you?

I mean, fuck, America's constantly been at war for years, you know they'd be more than happy to step in and make sure these new 'nations' all had a solid democracy right?

Just like in all those middle-eastern countries.

Thoughtful, right?

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12/09/2012 10:49 PM
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Re: Secession and the Future of America
Perhaps its part of an historical sequence that America needs to go through, as other countries have endured in their past histories--unity, collapse of that unity, rebuilding the union. Just because the 50 states might all go independent of federal power doesn't automatically mean that every individual state is going to go spinning off on in its own political and social orbit. What it does mean, IMHO, is the reformation of the old political groupings that existed in the early days.

Here's a list of what the power-blocs could look like, in the event of a complete political dislocation due to too many disagreements;

1) New England (and possibly the Maritimes if Quebec goes independent)
2) Great Lakes States (NY, PA, OH, ILL, IN, WIS, MICH) and possibly WVA and KY) and Ontario IQGI)
3) The Old Confederacy
4) The Great Plains (KS, NEB, the Dakotas, MO, IA)
5) The Mountain States (NMEX, AZ, Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado)
6) West Coast (Washington, Oregon and California)
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12/09/2012 11:08 PM

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i'm a self-secessionist.

i've had enough of this silly game and i'm taking my ball and i'm going home.

i want nothing from them. and they will get nothing from me.
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12/09/2012 11:12 PM
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Re: Secession and the Future of America
I think it's inevitable. The only way to logistically get ourselves out of the hole we've been digging since 1912 is to repeal the Constitution and default. At that point the US will splinter into the 4-5 geographies that we're all already familiar with.

Can't happen to us, you say? Had you been in the Soviet Union in 1988, I'll bet you would have said the same thing.
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12/09/2012 11:44 PM

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If you think they'd allow it, you need to share what you're smoking.

The controlled opposition is strong, and peoples judgement impaired.

It's about bait and smash. Good luck with the shucking.
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12/09/2012 11:52 PM
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The FIRST thing you need to understand is that those are NOT official petitions to secede filed by the state governments. They are "popular" petitions filed by INDIVIDUALS who reside within those states. Thus far, at least 4 of the governors have stated publicly that their states will NOT secede.

The SECOND thing you need to get is that NO state will EVER secede. That's because the state government is a SUBCORPORATION of the corporate federal government, and they are NOT breaking away from the mothership. They will NOT forfeit hundreds of millions in federal tax dollars. To put it succinctly, they are on the federal teat and aren't getting off of it.

All this 10th Amendment talk is just populist rhetoric to get the sheeple all fired up (to perpetuate the myth that "their vote counts" and "they have a say" and that their position is represented AND -- most importantly -- that the states' rights portions of the CONstitution still hold true). Ron Paul and talk radio hosts are whipping those idiots into a frenzy.

I look forward to the day when the lazy morons in this country actually sit down and READ the fucking CONstitution wiht a legal dictionary at their side. Until that happens, they will not understand the document and will continue to rely on talking heads to tell them what it says.