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Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?

 
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Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
How many out there can afford to drop $400-1200 for a reliable firearm when people can barely feed their families? I was told any gun less than $400 is a piece of shit so it doesnt leave the poor with many options to buy one.
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Re: Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
Government competes with free enterprise.
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I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
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Government competes with free enterprise.
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What you wrote is completely wrong.
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I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
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Re: Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
How many out there can afford to drop $400-1200 for a reliable firearm when people can barely feed their families? I was told any gun less than $400 is a piece of shit so it doesnt leave the poor with many options to buy one.
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That's a damn good question. Most of it's parts are machine made.

It's like they hold back production to keep prices high, like they do for Corvettes.

Is there a single producer that's making guns as fast as they can?
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You're doing it wrong. You're suppose to be buying them from the families that can't afford to feed themselves for half price or less. Don't forget to kick them a couple times while you're at it.
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I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


A 30 year old 38cal revolver ought to be selling for $50 bucks or less. WTF?
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THE ONLY REASON IS op IS A RETARD. THERES GREAT GUNS FOR $100 ALL DAY LONG. but OP wouldnt know a 12 guage from a .22 so its a moot point really.
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$400 is an expensive gun? My Wilson cost 10 times that, it's all relative...
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How many out there can afford to drop $400-1200 for a reliable firearm when people can barely feed their families? I was told any gun less than $400 is a piece of shit so it doesnt leave the poor with many options to buy one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428045


What ?

Try to buy a gun in europe.

Semi-automatic .. 2500 Euros
sights .. 1500 (at least)
Stuff like mags .. 500


We can only dream about US prices for shooting stuff.

And do not get me up on our "manifactured stuff" .. you can add at least one or two zeros to each number.
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How many out there can afford to drop $400-1200 for a reliable firearm when people can barely feed their families? I was told any gun less than $400 is a piece of shit so it doesnt leave the poor with many options to buy one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428045


They're not so expensive. If you're broke and need a good deal, look into surplus guns. CZ surplus pistols, eastern block tokarev pistols etc. If looking for new, the Bersa Thunder .380 is a GREAT little pistol at a very attractive price.
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You're doing it wrong. You're suppose to be buying them from the families that can't afford to feed themselves for half price or less. Don't forget to kick them a couple times while you're at it.
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lol
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Re: Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
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What he said!
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Buy a AK
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I dunno

The new Taurus Judge composite lists at 399

Not a fan of composites but love the gun
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THE ONLY REASON IS op IS A RETARD. THERES GREAT GUNS FOR $100 ALL DAY LONG. but OP wouldnt know a 12 guage from a .22 so its a moot point really.
 Quoting: EVIL_BEAN_KID


Who in their right mind would trust their own life or their family on a $100 gun?!
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I have a Stevens 12 ga. single shot shotgun that I bought for $25 at a garage sale. It works perfectly every single time for the 20 years I've owned it.
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Re: Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Yeah that's great if we were back in 1969, this is 2012 and those pieces of shits wont cut it. The real good guns like Sig Sauer, Glock and Springfield cost a shit load of money and that doesnt include ammo!
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I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Yeah that's great if we were back in 1969, this is 2012 and those pieces of shits wont cut it. The real good guns like Sig Sauer, Glock and Springfield cost a shit load of money and that doesnt include ammo!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428045


I see.

You're an idiot.

Carry on then.
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Re: Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin








SHUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

ET you know better than that! Leave the good stuff to us and let them buy their expensive and popular weapons.

The best $150 per I ever spent was on Norinco 1911s but don't let the noob know AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




UD
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SHUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

ET you know better than that! Leave the good stuff to us and let them buy their expensive and popular weapons.

The best $150 per I ever spent was on Norinco 1911s but don't let the noob know AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




UD
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Hahaha!

I bet you still have one of those Norcs within arms reach right now!

Good to see you, ole buddy!
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He OP - supply and demand.

Research it.
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SHUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

ET you know better than that! Leave the good stuff to us and let them buy their expensive and popular weapons.

The best $150 per I ever spent was on Norinco 1911s but don't let the noob know AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




UD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10372663


Hahaha!

I bet you still have one of those Norcs within arms reach right now!

Good to see you, ole buddy!
 Quoting: Evil_Twin






Yep! Started with 5 destroyed one and gave one away, one is a constant companion like the dogs and the LMs the rest are here and there.


Good to read you as well, it doesn't appear much has changed only less Gunnies or at least ones that know anything.



UD
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Re: Why Are Guns So Fucking Expensive?
How many out there can afford to drop $400-1200 for a reliable firearm when people can barely feed their families? I was told any gun less than $400 is a piece of shit so it doesnt leave the poor with many options to buy one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428045


That's a damn good question. Most of it's parts are machine made.

It's like they hold back production to keep prices high, like they do for Corvettes.

Is there a single producer that's making guns as fast as they can?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27339405


they all make them as fast as they can. it isnt a harmonica, its a firearm. in a handgun you are talking chamber pressures of 12,000 to 50,000 psi. you are talking about parts that have to withstand both rubbing and impact loads. you are talking about parts that have to last through thousands of repetitions of such loads. you can buy a hi-point for about 150 bucks or so. it's a bulky clunky primitive firearm designed for most rapid production with minimal handling by people in the process. it's weak point is the magazine. but, if you know what you're doing, just a little polishing here and there, and replacing the magazine spring will make it reliable. its controls arent ideally placed, but it will go "bang" every time you pull the trigger. for about 200 dollars, you can buy an armscorp colt revolver clone in .38 special. it's made in the philippines, and isnt the most beautifully finished handgun on the planet, but it will indeed go "bang" every time you pull the trigger. as evil twin pointed out, you can buy a used s&w k frame .38 for about 200 bucks just about everywhere. if you want concealability, you can buy a brand new charter arms small frame .38 for about 300 (or a used s&w). if you lean towards autos, you can buy a keltek 9mm for about the same. it is tiny, incredibly concealable, and kicks like a goosed mule. not every sub-400 buck gun is junk. if you want big bore power, and have a low budget, a hi-point .45 will do the job, but it weighs over 3 lbs, and is in no way concealable. if you buy a surplus colt .45 auto mag, and replace the hi-point mag spring with the one from the colt mag, it becomes reliable. if you can spring for 350 bucks, you can get a charter arms bulldog revolver in .44 special. it is concealable, incredibly powerful, and as reliable as the sun. it will even have a decent trigger pull. it will also kick like a goosed mule. the higher priced firearms have better finishes, usually better trigger pulls, and are more ergonomic than the sub 300 buck ones. but those sub 300 buck ones are much better than throwing rocks. i would completely avoid the hi-point 9mm, or any jennings, bryco, or raven. those 400 buck rock island .45s are also made by armscorp, by the way.
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Yep! Started with 5 destroyed one and gave one away, one is a constant companion like the dogs and the LMs the rest are here and there.


Good to read you as well, it doesn't appear much has changed only less Gunnies or at least ones that know anything.



UD
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The names and faces are always changing around here!

I have to get back to work, the Mrs. says I've been playing long enough, haha!!

I will have to start a new Gunnies thread soon, and we can catch up!
Hellbilly
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Devaualuation of the dollar is the biggest problem. The cost of raw material, the cost of the CNC machines that make the parts, labor and of course federal excise tax have kept the cost of manufacturing high.

I'm a FFL gunsmith and have had difficulties keeping costs down. Customers complain about escalating prices and I can't control the cost of supplies continuing to go up. I haven't raised my hourly rate in three years.

I do feel there are certain manufacturers that have worked very had to hold prices down; S&W, Ruger and Taurus are three that come to mind. The introduction of polymers have helped too.

If you shop around and if your state allows face to face sales, you can find some good deals in the online swap shops.
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THE ONLY REASON IS op IS A RETARD. THERES GREAT GUNS FOR $100 ALL DAY LONG. but OP wouldnt know a 12 guage from a .22 so its a moot point really.
 Quoting: EVIL_BEAN_KID


Who in their right mind would trust their own life or their family on a $100 gun?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428045

someone who knows guns and knows how to shoot (not you)

I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Yeah that's great if we were back in 1969, this is 2012 and those pieces of shits wont cut it. The real good guns like Sig Sauer, Glock and Springfield cost a shit load of money and that doesnt include ammo!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428045


I see.

You're an idiot.

Carry on then.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin




clappa

this kid is like gecko45, except he knows less and is even more of a douche
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Freedom isn't cheap OP!!!!
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I see a lot of people that complain that they can't afford $400 for a gun, but have no problem dropping $500 on the latest iphone.

Priorities, I guess...

1dunno1

And, there are plenty of reliable firearms out there for well under $400, if you are a smart shopper. I see used Smith & Wesson Model 10s for about $200 all the time.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Yep...This is true.
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Those implanted RFID chips are expensive to manufacture into molten steel.

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