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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27549851 United States 11/12/2012 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Deputy Fire Chief Kenny Bacon [...] said investigators had not eliminated any possible causes for the blast. But U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. Quoting: ChvyV8Bldr Dan Able, a 58-year-old state employee who lives across the street from the flattened homes, was puzzled by the blast. [link to enenews.com] They know what the hell it was they just need a little more time building a plausible cover |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Deputy Fire Chief Kenny Bacon [...] said investigators had not eliminated any possible causes for the blast. But U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. Quoting: ChvyV8Bldr Dan Able, a 58-year-old state employee who lives across the street from the flattened homes, was puzzled by the blast. [link to enenews.com] They know what the hell it was they just need a little more time building a plausible cover Well we all know what it was. We're just waiting to see which way they angle the story. Last Edited by TwentyTwenty on 11/12/2012 12:36 PM Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1579810 United States 11/12/2012 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Deputy Fire Chief Kenny Bacon [...] said investigators had not eliminated any possible causes for the blast. But U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. Quoting: ChvyV8Bldr Dan Able, a 58-year-old state employee who lives across the street from the flattened homes, was puzzled by the blast. [link to enenews.com] They know what the hell it was they just need a little more time building a plausible cover Well we all know what it was. We're just waiting to see which way they angle the story. We do? What was it, then? Or, at least, what do you think it might have been? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23766809 United States 11/12/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Deputy Fire Chief Kenny Bacon [...] said investigators had not eliminated any possible causes for the blast. But U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. Quoting: ChvyV8Bldr Dan Able, a 58-year-old state employee who lives across the street from the flattened homes, was puzzled by the blast. [link to enenews.com] They know what the hell it was they just need a little more time building a plausible cover Well we all know what it was. We're just waiting to see which way they angle the story. We do? What was it, then? Or, at least, what do you think it might have been? "Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation" |
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ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27549851 They know what the hell it was they just need a little more time building a plausible cover Well we all know what it was. We're just waiting to see which way they angle the story. We do? What was it, then? Or, at least, what do you think it might have been? "Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation" Linear. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve ... Quoting: ChvyV8Bldr Well we all know what it was. We're just waiting to see which way they angle the story. We do? What was it, then? Or, at least, what do you think it might have been? "Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation" Linear. HOMELAND SECURITY NOW INVESTIGATING....Now we'll get an answer. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23766809 United States 11/12/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579810 We do? What was it, then? Or, at least, what do you think it might have been? "Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation" Linear. HOMELAND SECURITY NOW INVESTIGATING....Now we'll get an answer. Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Quoting: ChvyV8Bldr Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. [link to news.yahoo.com] Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. [link to news.yahoo.com] With no hint of a problem in advance, in particular no tell-tale smell of a gas leak, authorities and residents in a southern Indianapolis neighborhood are trying to make sense of an enormous blast that obliterated two homes and made dozens more uninhabitable. Fire officials expressed amazement that only two people died in the late Saturday explosion so powerful that the devastation spread for blocks from its epicenter. Hundreds of residents were forced to evacuate their Richmond Hill homes, some never to return. Windows and doors were blown in. The blast rocked several houses entirely from their foundations and was so loud it awoke people three miles away. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. Early Monday, Indianapolis public safety director Troy Riggs said forensic investigators were talking with utility companies and others as they tried to determine the cause. "We need to make sure that we get some of the forensics back and that we follow where the evidence takes us," Riggs told WISH-TV. U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, has said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. [link to news.yahoo.com] With no hint of a problem in advance, in particular no tell-tale smell of a gas leak, authorities and residents in a southern Indianapolis neighborhood are trying to make sense of an enormous blast that obliterated two homes and made dozens more uninhabitable. Fire officials expressed amazement that only two people died in the late Saturday explosion so powerful that the devastation spread for blocks from its epicenter. Hundreds of residents were forced to evacuate their Richmond Hill homes, some never to return. Windows and doors were blown in. The blast rocked several houses entirely from their foundations and was so loud it awoke people three miles away. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. Early Monday, Indianapolis public safety director Troy Riggs said forensic investigators were talking with utility companies and others as they tried to determine the cause. "We need to make sure that we get some of the forensics back and that we follow where the evidence takes us," Riggs told WISH-TV. U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, has said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. [link to news.yahoo.com] With no hint of a problem in advance, in particular no tell-tale smell of a gas leak, authorities and residents in a southern Indianapolis neighborhood are trying to make sense of an enormous blast that obliterated two homes and made dozens more uninhabitable. Fire officials expressed amazement that only two people died in the late Saturday explosion so powerful that the devastation spread for blocks from its epicenter. Hundreds of residents were forced to evacuate their Richmond Hill homes, some never to return. Windows and doors were blown in. The blast rocked several houses entirely from their foundations and was so loud it awoke people three miles away. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. Early Monday, Indianapolis public safety director Troy Riggs said forensic investigators were talking with utility companies and others as they tried to determine the cause. "We need to make sure that we get some of the forensics back and that we follow where the evidence takes us," Riggs told WISH-TV. U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, has said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. There's some good, new, clear pictures. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27227251 United States 11/12/2012 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. [link to news.yahoo.com] With no hint of a problem in advance, in particular no tell-tale smell of a gas leak, authorities and residents in a southern Indianapolis neighborhood are trying to make sense of an enormous blast that obliterated two homes and made dozens more uninhabitable. Fire officials expressed amazement that only two people died in the late Saturday explosion so powerful that the devastation spread for blocks from its epicenter. Hundreds of residents were forced to evacuate their Richmond Hill homes, some never to return. Windows and doors were blown in. The blast rocked several houses entirely from their foundations and was so loud it awoke people three miles away. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. Early Monday, Indianapolis public safety director Troy Riggs said forensic investigators were talking with utility companies and others as they tried to determine the cause. "We need to make sure that we get some of the forensics back and that we follow where the evidence takes us," Riggs told WISH-TV. U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, has said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. By all other official accounts, this part is totally untrue. All available photographic and video evidence shows four total structures with any fire involvement. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23766809 Have you never read any Douglas Adams books? Nonlinear, catastrophic structural exasperation is a joke I'm throwing out there. Google search it. I just think it's a funny way to describe a mysterious explosion. [link to news.yahoo.com] With no hint of a problem in advance, in particular no tell-tale smell of a gas leak, authorities and residents in a southern Indianapolis neighborhood are trying to make sense of an enormous blast that obliterated two homes and made dozens more uninhabitable. Fire officials expressed amazement that only two people died in the late Saturday explosion so powerful that the devastation spread for blocks from its epicenter. Hundreds of residents were forced to evacuate their Richmond Hill homes, some never to return. Windows and doors were blown in. The blast rocked several houses entirely from their foundations and was so loud it awoke people three miles away. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. Early Monday, Indianapolis public safety director Troy Riggs said forensic investigators were talking with utility companies and others as they tried to determine the cause. "We need to make sure that we get some of the forensics back and that we follow where the evidence takes us," Riggs told WISH-TV. U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, has said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out. A fire burned for hours, engulfing dozens of homes. By all other official accounts, this part is totally untrue. All available photographic and video evidence shows four total structures with any fire involvement. |
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G. House User ID: 27617126 United States 11/12/2012 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve From examining the photos and from a few details that have come out. First of all it is obvious the building exploded outward with symmetry. Also there is no crater which rules out high explosives. So... it has the earmarks of a gas explosion. Which would leave no explosive residue to speak of, anyway... details come out that the furnace was worked on, also no one as I understand it was home at the time of the explosion... therefore... for some reason the worked on furnace started dumping gas into the atmosphere of the home. Modern homes of this type are pretty "tight" if the windows are all closed and since this was late at night, no one smelled any gas. So the house fills up with gas. Lot's of homes that have gas heat have gas hot water heaters. This could be what set off the explosion. Gas water heater lights up and sets off the gas in the house. If not a gas hot water heater another possible source of a spark could be a refrigerator (they have relays) having a small spark as it cycles. Most probably what happened. TSA drones, HAARP, evil Mossad agents, or sinkholes 1000 miles away not withstanding. "Everybody lies." |
mr_tim User ID: 2987678 Australia 11/12/2012 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve it was a swamp gas from a vent on Venus explosion. Set off by a spark from the radar reflector on the bottom of a weather balloon. or... it could have been a tomato plant doing an experiment that went wrong? :) H.A.P.= Human Annihilation Project ETBWB = ExtraTerrestrial Biological Weather Balloon. EBSG = Extraterrestrial Biological Swamp Gas. HAB = High Altitude Being. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4547295 United States 11/12/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve From examining the photos and from a few details that have come out. Quoting: G. House First of all it is obvious the building exploded outward with symmetry. Also there is no crater which rules out high explosives. So... it has the earmarks of a gas explosion. Which would leave no explosive residue to speak of, anyway... details come out that the furnace was worked on, also no one as I understand it was home at the time of the explosion... therefore... for some reason the worked on furnace started dumping gas into the atmosphere of the home. Modern homes of this type are pretty "tight" if the windows are all closed and since this was late at night, no one smelled any gas. So the house fills up with gas. Lot's of homes that have gas heat have gas hot water heaters. This could be what set off the explosion. Gas water heater lights up and sets off the gas in the house. If not a gas hot water heater another possible source of a spark could be a refrigerator (they have relays) having a small spark as it cycles. Most probably what happened. TSA drones, HAARP, evil Mossad agents, or sinkholes 1000 miles away not withstanding. Makes sense. The gas permeated the entire house and that explains why the entire house is gone and clearly blown outwards. |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/12/2012 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve From examining the photos and from a few details that have come out. Quoting: G. House First of all it is obvious the building exploded outward with symmetry. Also there is no crater which rules out high explosives. So... it has the earmarks of a gas explosion. Which would leave no explosive residue to speak of, anyway... details come out that the furnace was worked on, also no one as I understand it was home at the time of the explosion... therefore... for some reason the worked on furnace started dumping gas into the atmosphere of the home. Modern homes of this type are pretty "tight" if the windows are all closed and since this was late at night, no one smelled any gas. So the house fills up with gas. Lot's of homes that have gas heat have gas hot water heaters. This could be what set off the explosion. Gas water heater lights up and sets off the gas in the house. If not a gas hot water heater another possible source of a spark could be a refrigerator (they have relays) having a small spark as it cycles. Most probably what happened. TSA drones, HAARP, evil Mossad agents, or sinkholes 1000 miles away not withstanding. Makes sense. The gas permeated the entire house and that explains why the entire house is gone and clearly blown outwards. This I thought as well. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/13/2012 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve From examining the photos and from a few details that have come out. Quoting: G. House First of all it is obvious the building exploded outward with symmetry. Also there is no crater which rules out high explosives. So... it has the earmarks of a gas explosion. Which would leave no explosive residue to speak of, anyway... details come out that the furnace was worked on, also no one as I understand it was home at the time of the explosion... therefore... for some reason the worked on furnace started dumping gas into the atmosphere of the home. Modern homes of this type are pretty "tight" if the windows are all closed and since this was late at night, no one smelled any gas. So the house fills up with gas. Lot's of homes that have gas heat have gas hot water heaters. This could be what set off the explosion. Gas water heater lights up and sets off the gas in the house. If not a gas hot water heater another possible source of a spark could be a refrigerator (they have relays) having a small spark as it cycles. Most probably what happened. TSA drones, HAARP, evil Mossad agents, or sinkholes 1000 miles away not withstanding. Makes sense. The gas permeated the entire house and that explains why the entire house is gone and clearly blown outwards. This I thought as well. INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — As investigators try to determine what caused a deadly explosion that ravaged an Indianapolis subdivision, an expert says people shouldn't be alarmed by a homeowner's suggestion that his faulty furnace could be to blame. Investigators have been looking at gas meters and pipelines as they try to figure out what happened Saturday night when a blast killed two people, obliterated two homes and left dozens more uninhabitable. John Shirley and his ex-wife own one of the homes leveled in the explosion. Shirley, 50, of Noblesville, said his daughter told him recently that the furnace had gone out in the house she shares with her mother and her mother's boyfriend. He said his daughter told him the furnace was working again, but he wondered if a leak from the furnace could have led to the explosion that killed a couple next door. No one was in Shirley's home at the time of the blast, he said. Scott Davis, president and principal engineer of GexCon US, an explosion investigation firm in Bethesda, Md., said it's hard to believe a furnace could cause the damage seen in the Indianapolis neighborhood. He noted that most furnaces have multiple safety switches that must be triggered before any gas is used. "For a furnace to allow that much gas through, you'd have to defeat many of the safety features," he said. Public Safety Director Troy Riggs said investigators will treat the area as a crime scene until they rule out foul play. Local and federal investigators say it's too soon to rule on a cause but are slowly weeding out some possibilities. Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
ChvyV8Bldr (OP) User ID: 27097115 United States 11/13/2012 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING New Pictures The Police...OFFICIAL....we don't know what caused Indiana explosion!!! Wasn't a drone strike you Morans! FEDS interve From examining the photos and from a few details that have come out. Quoting: G. House First of all it is obvious the building exploded outward with symmetry. Also there is no crater which rules out high explosives. So... it has the earmarks of a gas explosion. Which would leave no explosive residue to speak of, anyway... details come out that the furnace was worked on, also no one as I understand it was home at the time of the explosion... therefore... for some reason the worked on furnace started dumping gas into the atmosphere of the home. Modern homes of this type are pretty "tight" if the windows are all closed and since this was late at night, no one smelled any gas. So the house fills up with gas. Lot's of homes that have gas heat have gas hot water heaters. This could be what set off the explosion. Gas water heater lights up and sets off the gas in the house. If not a gas hot water heater another possible source of a spark could be a refrigerator (they have relays) having a small spark as it cycles. Most probably what happened. TSA drones, HAARP, evil Mossad agents, or sinkholes 1000 miles away not withstanding. Makes sense. The gas permeated the entire house and that explains why the entire house is gone and clearly blown outwards. This I thought as well. INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — As investigators try to determine what caused a deadly explosion that ravaged an Indianapolis subdivision, an expert says people shouldn't be alarmed by a homeowner's suggestion that his faulty furnace could be to blame. Investigators have been looking at gas meters and pipelines as they try to figure out what happened Saturday night when a blast killed two people, obliterated two homes and left dozens more uninhabitable. John Shirley and his ex-wife own one of the homes leveled in the explosion. Shirley, 50, of Noblesville, said his daughter told him recently that the furnace had gone out in the house she shares with her mother and her mother's boyfriend. He said his daughter told him the furnace was working again, but he wondered if a leak from the furnace could have led to the explosion that killed a couple next door. No one was in Shirley's home at the time of the blast, he said. Scott Davis, president and principal engineer of GexCon US, an explosion investigation firm in Bethesda, Md., said it's hard to believe a furnace could cause the damage seen in the Indianapolis neighborhood. He noted that most furnaces have multiple safety switches that must be triggered before any gas is used. "For a furnace to allow that much gas through, you'd have to defeat many of the safety features," he said. Public Safety Director Troy Riggs said investigators will treat the area as a crime scene until they rule out foul play. Local and federal investigators say it's too soon to rule on a cause but are slowly weeding out some possibilities. [link to news.yahoo.com] Will we even know we were alive when we're dead? Me Kingdoms were run by kings Empires were run by Emperors Countries are run by..... Dumps were almost fixed by Trump |
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