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JUST IN: Israel "Major escalation 'within hours"

 
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it's coming

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it's coming

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Me, too!
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Grad rocket explodes in open area near coastal city of Ashdod, no casualties reported (Haaretz)

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So much for Hamas keeping the cease fire...
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"In 1982 alone, in only a few hours the tiny Israel shot down 88 Syrian Migs and took out 18 Soviet SAM"

With ZERO jets lost by Israel in the process, might I add.

Truly unprecedented in the history of warfare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11402457


Israel is more than capable of defending itself, it has proven that countless times !

And it's also capable of dismantling Hamas and Hezbollah...the only problem is, it's too afraid of international condemnation cos those yellow, spineless terrorists will fight from the rooftops of schools and kindergartens like they always do !
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Israel is the land of God's chosen people. He will not let them fall.

Deuteronomy 1

Introduction to Moses' First Address
1 These are the words that Moses spoke to all the people of Israel while they were in the wilderness east of the Jordan River. They were camped in the Jordan Valley* near Suph, between Paran on one side and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth, and Di-zahab on the other.
2 Normally it takes only eleven days to travel from Mount Sinai* to Kadesh-barnea, going by way of Mount Seir.3 But forty years after the Israelites left Egypt, on the first day of the eleventh month,* Moses addressed the people of Israel, telling them everything the LORD had commanded him to say.4 This took place after he had defeated King Sihon of the Amorites, who had ruled in Heshbon, and King Og of Bashan, who had ruled in Ashtaroth and Edrei.
5 While the Israelites were in the land of Moab east of the Jordan River, Moses carefully explained the LORD's instructions as follows.

The Command to Leave Sinai
6 "When we were at Mount Sinai, the LORD our God said to us, 'You have stayed at this mountain long enough.7 It is time to break camp and move on. Go to the hill country of the Amorites and to all the neighboring regions—the Jordan Valley, the hill country, the western foothills,* the Negev, and the coastal plain. Go to the land of the Canaanites and to Lebanon, and all the way to the great Euphrates River.8 Look, I am giving all this land to you! Go in and occupy it, for it is the land the LORD swore to give to your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to all their descendants.'"
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Jpost.com is saying that Israel hit 3 spots earlier. Still nothing major yet though.
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Major artillery fire. Gaza to be leveled in sections. goat fu*kers to be removed from area.
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here is the whole point of the gaza esalation:

if the muzzies can lure israel ino a ground invasion and the outcome is unfavorable enough, the hwakish netanyahoo administration will lose the election Jan 22.
The wimpy doves who are afraid to attack iran will come into power decreasing the liklihood of an attack on iran. aslo making israel more vulnerbale in general.

ntenayahoo, like obama before his elections will do everything in his power to stay out of gaza. but will he succeed??
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Or he could go into Gaza and show no mercy (unlike Lebanon in 2006) and assure a favorable outcome before the elections thus bolstering his position !

Hamas certainly shows no mercy when firing rockets at Israeli kids coming home from school !
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Unfortuantely, real world is NOT a video game. Where if you badly miscalculate, you can just press Re-set button.

And Gaza operation of the scale that you describe has several obvious prolems & risks associated with it:

1) Potentially 100's of IDF dead and seriously wounded. Dozens of tanks and aircraft lost, pilots captured for hostage negotiations purposes. See: Shalit, Gilad. Not only is it a terrible, demoralizing toll on the country, but it also severely hurt the PRESTIGE of the Israeli military industries -- just when the global economic crisis + increased competition in the arms market has already created additional challenges for Israel products. Look how much Lebannon 2 hurt Israel's Merkava project -- even though those were older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 versions sent essentially into suicide missions into the volleys of Kornets and Metis-M that no tank could withstand in mountainous, wooded terrain by idiot Ehud Olemrt, still it cost Israel billions of dollars in prestige of the program.

2) Palestinian casualties. Especially in the era of Ultra-fast Cable Internet, Youtube and high-resolution digital cameras being on every cell-phone... coupled with classic Pali-wood Propaganda techniques -----> the world will be crying about Palestinian Holocaust!!!! before you know it.

Why is it important? Because it would give convenient pretext to all the Israel"s so-called "friends", including the US, to turn its back on Israel (and in the US case, take its UN Security Council Veto with it).

Many companies like Microsoft, Intel, Google, Apple, Samsung may choose that it's no longer safe to do business inside Israel --- and use the Gaza operation as a moral "cover" to justify their breaking of contracts with Israel. In the longer-term, costing Israeli economy and prestige billions of dollars.

And then there is Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions that would be levied... the ICC in Hague stamping out arrest warrants for Israeli leaders -- or least opening Israeli leaders up to potential BLACKMAIL by Brussels and Washington DC (
"if you don't cooperate with us on the energy sector on less than ideal terms for your country, Mr. Netanyahu, our friends in Hague might just issue an arrest warrant on you...something to think about", etc)

In relatively short order, Israel will be completely isolated on the diplomatic level, its economy will be strangled and security/military greatly weakened.

Unlike the Apartheid South Africa, Israel doesn't have the natural resources, the climate or strategic depth to survive a real BDS campaign. And South Africa didn't really survive it, either.

And South Africa wasn't surrounded by 250 million Arabs ready to commit some old-fashioned extrtermination, either....I don't need to tell you what will happen if Israel ever got that weak.

Like it or not. Fair or not. But that's something that Israel has to think about every time it wants to do anything militarily these days. There is literally NO room for error for Jews. Not in planning, not in execution. It is what it is.
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Yes, international community will never let Jews bomb Muslims for weeks at a time.

But there is another problem: as 2nd Lebanon war showed in 2006, there is only so much you can do from air in modern, assymetrical warfare against a foe who not only doesn't value life of their own people, but who deliberately tries to cause as many civilian deaths as possible.

Moreover, it's easier said than done to conduct arial operations, especially using low-altitude helicopters -- because Gaza terrorists have anti-aircraft missiles like Strela and more sophisticated like Igla. Those fuckers can shoot an aircraft from 8 kilometers up in the sky!

So even if Israel doesn't plan on entering Gaza for the first few weeks--- as soon as a few Israel helicopters and Jets get shut down and pilots captured by Hamas and put on video for all the world to see..... Israel will have no choice but to rush into Gaza ---- and that's where they will be walking into a veritable DEATH TRAP.

And then there is Hezbollah.... while Israel is distracted and its military is divided.... who knows what it will do?

And then there are Syria, Iran -- who have access to both Russian and Chinese intelligence tools, including satellite networks that will presumably be used by Iran to help Gaza terrorists to inflict even more damage on IDF.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11402457


Well the fact that the international community will never allow Israel to bomb Gaza extensively clearly shows that the conspiracy theories that Jewish people control the world is complete bullshit ! They probably have some control over certain issues but nowhere near the influence people think they have !

If they did indeed control the whole world, Israel would be the size of Texas not the size of New Jersey !

As for the IDF entering Gaza on foot I agree it will be a very difficult thing to do but not impossible ! With extensive airstrikes by night (to avoid losing any planes or helicopters) and an overwhelming tank and armored vehicle assault by day they will eventually crush Hamas !

Israel will sustain casualties of course but if the IDF has its leash taken off (unlike 2006) those casualties will be limited !
 Quoting: subzero86


Of course it's bullshit.

But as someone whose studies & profession is all about understanding human psychology and motivations.... let me just tell you a SECRET that's not so secret:

the whole "Jews run the world" thing has NEVER been about the truth. It has always been about conveniently scapegoating a small minority of people, and for mobilizing as much hate against them in order to win the war against them -- whether real war or just cultural, ideological, economic.

That's why when you try to debate a Jew-hater -- whether Muslim, Marxist, neo-Nazi, a Ron Paul Libertarian or just silly, confused conspiracy theorist.... you can NEVER win an arguement no matter how many facts, stats and historical truths you bring up, because they essentially RIG the "rules" of a debate & frame it in such a way that it always comes back to the default position of hate and instinctive blame. They will move goal-posts, generate non-sequiturs and promulgate long-discredited copy-paste fabrications about Talmud, George Washington or Ariel Sharon or million other things.... it hardly matters.

For them, whether consciously or not... it's about WAR against Jews on every level. And in war, as everyone knows, all is fair.

So if's not Israel, then they would invent another Israel and level more libelous accusations and logical fallacies against the New Israel.

And once the Jews are all exterminated... they'll just invent New Jews -- probably WASP would fit the bill ideally --- and start the whole Hate Train again...

That's just human nature. You can't change it. It's wired in evolutionary.
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Grad rocket explodes in open area near coastal city of Ashdod, no casualties reported (Haaretz)

[link to www.haaretz.com]

So much for Hamas keeping the cease fire...
 Quoting: subzero86


Hey, Sub...good to see you.

I'm not logged-in, but I'm Fat Albert (with Romanian ancestors).

You said it. Hamas and Hezbollah will never keep any cease fire agreement because they are heretics and are to be shunned.

They have invaded Israel several times, built their "Dome of the Rock" in OUR temple, and claimed it for Mohammed.

Their religion refuses to allow peace, because we, to them, will always be non-beievers (in Islam) and those bastards will keep trying to kill every Jew, every American, every westerner, every Christian and Catholic, until the Islamic jihadists are laid waste, or there are no more of "us" to fight them.

Israel is the blessed land of our ancestors and all whom have dare oppose her have fallen. Romans, Egyptians, Syrians, you name it.

So, this may be the beginning of the end, but the end brings glorification to G-d in the name of Israel, and fulfillment of his covenant with we, the chosen people.
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it's coming

I can feel it
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I hope you're wrong...
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shit just got real
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Are we stil with hours or should we expand it to within days?
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Grad rocket explodes in open area near coastal city of Ashdod, no casualties reported (Haaretz)

[link to www.haaretz.com]

So much for Hamas keeping the cease fire...
 Quoting: subzero86


Hey, Sub...good to see you.

I'm not logged-in, but I'm Fat Albert (with Romanian ancestors).

You said it. Hamas and Hezbollah will never keep any cease fire agreement because they are heretics and are to be shunned.

They have invaded Israel several times, built their "Dome of the Rock" in OUR temple, and claimed it for Mohammed.

Their religion refuses to allow peace, because we, to them, will always be non-beievers (in Islam) and those bastards will keep trying to kill every Jew, every American, every westerner, every Christian and Catholic, until the Islamic jihadists are laid waste, or there are no more of "us" to fight them.

Israel is the blessed land of our ancestors and all whom have dare oppose her have fallen. Romans, Egyptians, Syrians, you name it.

So, this may be the beginning of the end, but the end brings glorification to G-d in the name of Israel, and fulfillment of his covenant with we, the chosen people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26437823


Fuck Mohammed. He a cocksucker.
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Do you believe?

Is it mere coincidence that Israel carries the destiny of the world along with them when they act to defend themselves?

With Israel surrounded by enemies, for them measured acts are a perpetual act in futility, they will eventually have to choose an all or nothing approach when confronting the threats against their existence.

Where they go, so do we all...
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Major artillery fire. Gaza to be leveled in sections. goat fu*kers to be removed from area.
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Well, I hope the Israeli's get their fucking act together and level that shithole. Gaza. Fuck Gaza. God damn it Netanyahu, get some fucking balls and do it!!!!
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Unfortuantely, real world is NOT a video game. Where if you badly miscalculate, you can just press Re-set button.

And Gaza operation of the scale that you describe has several obvious prolems & risks associated with it:

1) Potentially 100's of IDF dead and seriously wounded. Dozens of tanks and aircraft lost, pilots captured for hostage negotiations purposes. See: Shalit, Gilad. Not only is it a terrible, demoralizing toll on the country, but it also severely hurt the PRESTIGE of the Israeli military industries -- just when the global economic crisis + increased competition in the arms market has already created additional challenges for Israel products. Look how much Lebannon 2 hurt Israel's Merkava project -- even though those were older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 versions sent essentially into suicide missions into the volleys of Kornets and Metis-M that no tank could withstand in mountainous, wooded terrain by idiot Ehud Olemrt, still it cost Israel billions of dollars in prestige of the program.

2) Palestinian casualties. Especially in the era of Ultra-fast Cable Internet, Youtube and high-resolution digital cameras being on every cell-phone... coupled with classic Pali-wood Propaganda techniques -----> the world will be crying about Palestinian Holocaust!!!! before you know it.

Why is it important? Because it would give convenient pretext to all the Israel"s so-called "friends", including the US, to turn its back on Israel (and in the US case, take its UN Security Council Veto with it).

Many companies like Microsoft, Intel, Google, Apple, Samsung may choose that it's no longer safe to do business inside Israel --- and use the Gaza operation as a moral "cover" to justify their breaking of contracts with Israel. In the longer-term, costing Israeli economy and prestige billions of dollars.

And then there is Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions that would be levied... the ICC in Hague stamping out arrest warrants for Israeli leaders -- or least opening Israeli leaders up to potential BLACKMAIL by Brussels and Washington DC (
"if you don't cooperate with us on the energy sector on less than ideal terms for your country, Mr. Netanyahu, our friends in Hague might just issue an arrest warrant on you...something to think about", etc)

In relatively short order, Israel will be completely isolated on the diplomatic level, its economy will be strangled and security/military greatly weakened.

Unlike the Apartheid South Africa, Israel doesn't have the natural resources, the climate or strategic depth to survive a real BDS campaign. And South Africa didn't really survive it, either.

And South Africa wasn't surrounded by 250 million Arabs ready to commit some old-fashioned extrtermination, either....I don't need to tell you what will happen if Israel ever got that weak.

Like it or not. Fair or not. But that's something that Israel has to think about every time it wants to do anything militarily these days. There is literally NO room for error for Jews. Not in planning, not in execution. It is what it is.
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You seem to be a very informed individual and I must say you paint a very grim picture ! The fact of the matter is I'm scared that everything you said is true and America will turn it's back on Israel IF it hasn't done so already !

I can't say I'm surprised though, this is kind of what I was expecting from Mr. Hussein and now that he's been reelected I fear the worst for Israel !

The scenario that you described (the US cutting off all ties with Israel, including not vetoing any UN resolutions) although unlikely is not completely out of the question in my opinion...but IF that ever happens, Hussein is going to have hell to pay at home !

Remember one very important thing, if Israel is ever abandoned by the US and isolated and it's very existence threatened it WILL nuke the shit out of the entire middle east and that is a lose-lose scenario for everyone in the world !
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Yes, international community will never let Jews bomb Muslims for weeks at a time.

But there is another problem: as 2nd Lebanon war showed in 2006, there is only so much you can do from air in modern, assymetrical warfare against a foe who not only doesn't value life of their own people, but who deliberately tries to cause as many civilian deaths as possible.

Moreover, it's easier said than done to conduct arial operations, especially using low-altitude helicopters -- because Gaza terrorists have anti-aircraft missiles like Strela and more sophisticated like Igla. Those fuckers can shoot an aircraft from 8 kilometers up in the sky!

So even if Israel doesn't plan on entering Gaza for the first few weeks--- as soon as a few Israel helicopters and Jets get shut down and pilots captured by Hamas and put on video for all the world to see..... Israel will have no choice but to rush into Gaza ---- and that's where they will be walking into a veritable DEATH TRAP.

And then there is Hezbollah.... while Israel is distracted and its military is divided.... who knows what it will do?

And then there are Syria, Iran -- who have access to both Russian and Chinese intelligence tools, including satellite networks that will presumably be used by Iran to help Gaza terrorists to inflict even more damage on IDF.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11402457


Well the fact that the international community will never allow Israel to bomb Gaza extensively clearly shows that the conspiracy theories that Jewish people control the world is complete bullshit ! They probably have some control over certain issues but nowhere near the influence people think they have !

If they did indeed control the whole world, Israel would be the size of Texas not the size of New Jersey !

As for the IDF entering Gaza on foot I agree it will be a very difficult thing to do but not impossible ! With extensive airstrikes by night (to avoid losing any planes or helicopters) and an overwhelming tank and armored vehicle assault by day they will eventually crush Hamas !

Israel will sustain casualties of course but if the IDF has its leash taken off (unlike 2006) those casualties will be limited !
 Quoting: subzero86


Why do you think Israel's aircraft is immune to being shot down at night? Heat-seeking weapons like Igla-S really don't care that much. Gaza Jihadis have tactical radars from Iran, they have thermal, IR, probaly eletro-optical based tech, too.

No, the new operation would be literally 5 times harder than Castlead --- remember during Castlead, IDF didn't really go into the heart of Gaza to destroy HAMAS.

Look, there is a reason why Israel is hesitating. It's not because IDF don't have a strong army -- it's probably the 4th strongest military in the world behind US, Russia and China.... Nor is it all because of the aformentioned International Community imposed limitations, as important as they are admittedly...

No, it's because Gaza has been turned into THE most densely populated giant Terror City in the world. It's incredibly dangerous. Sure, a huge country just China with a huge population that has no politically correct concerns, could just throw cannon fodder at the problem and be done with it, but Israel is tiny and can't afford to lose even 50-100 soldiers or have its economy paralyzed for 2 months that it will take to clean out Gaza terror infrastructure & various Jihadi groups.

Some problems ARE hard even for the smarterst of military commanders --- and judging by the 2nd Labanon War, I am not so sure that Benny Ganz is some operational genius. I now Ehud Barak is far from being a genius, LOL.
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Grad rocket explodes in open area near coastal city of Ashdod, no casualties reported (Haaretz)

[link to www.haaretz.com]

So much for Hamas keeping the cease fire...
 Quoting: subzero86


Hey, Sub...good to see you.

I'm not logged-in, but I'm Fat Albert (with Romanian ancestors).

You said it. Hamas and Hezbollah will never keep any cease fire agreement because they are heretics and are to be shunned.

They have invaded Israel several times, built their "Dome of the Rock" in OUR temple, and claimed it for Mohammed.

Their religion refuses to allow peace, because we, to them, will always be non-beievers (in Islam) and those bastards will keep trying to kill every Jew, every American, every westerner, every Christian and Catholic, until the Islamic jihadists are laid waste, or there are no more of "us" to fight them.

Israel is the blessed land of our ancestors and all whom have dare oppose her have fallen. Romans, Egyptians, Syrians, you name it.

So, this may be the beginning of the end, but the end brings glorification to G-d in the name of Israel, and fulfillment of his covenant with we, the chosen people.
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Hey there Albert ! hi Nice to see you too !

Don't worry my friend, Israel will survive this challenge as it has survived many others in the past !
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Are we stil with hours or should we expand it to within days?
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Better expand it into the years.
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Unfortuantely, real world is NOT a video game. Where if you badly miscalculate, you can just press Re-set button.

And Gaza operation of the scale that you describe has several obvious prolems & risks associated with it:

1) Potentially 100's of IDF dead and seriously wounded. Dozens of tanks and aircraft lost, pilots captured for hostage negotiations purposes. See: Shalit, Gilad. Not only is it a terrible, demoralizing toll on the country, but it also severely hurt the PRESTIGE of the Israeli military industries -- just when the global economic crisis + increased competition in the arms market has already created additional challenges for Israel products. Look how much Lebannon 2 hurt Israel's Merkava project -- even though those were older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 versions sent essentially into suicide missions into the volleys of Kornets and Metis-M that no tank could withstand in mountainous, wooded terrain by idiot Ehud Olemrt, still it cost Israel billions of dollars in prestige of the program.

2) Palestinian casualties. Especially in the era of Ultra-fast Cable Internet, Youtube and high-resolution digital cameras being on every cell-phone... coupled with classic Pali-wood Propaganda techniques -----> the world will be crying about Palestinian Holocaust!!!! before you know it.

Why is it important? Because it would give convenient pretext to all the Israel"s so-called "friends", including the US, to turn its back on Israel (and in the US case, take its UN Security Council Veto with it).

Many companies like Microsoft, Intel, Google, Apple, Samsung may choose that it's no longer safe to do business inside Israel --- and use the Gaza operation as a moral "cover" to justify their breaking of contracts with Israel. In the longer-term, costing Israeli economy and prestige billions of dollars.

And then there is Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions that would be levied... the ICC in Hague stamping out arrest warrants for Israeli leaders -- or least opening Israeli leaders up to potential BLACKMAIL by Brussels and Washington DC (
"if you don't cooperate with us on the energy sector on less than ideal terms for your country, Mr. Netanyahu, our friends in Hague might just issue an arrest warrant on you...something to think about", etc)

In relatively short order, Israel will be completely isolated on the diplomatic level, its economy will be strangled and security/military greatly weakened.

Unlike the Apartheid South Africa, Israel doesn't have the natural resources, the climate or strategic depth to survive a real BDS campaign. And South Africa didn't really survive it, either.

And South Africa wasn't surrounded by 250 million Arabs ready to commit some old-fashioned extrtermination, either....I don't need to tell you what will happen if Israel ever got that weak.

Like it or not. Fair or not. But that's something that Israel has to think about every time it wants to do anything militarily these days. There is literally NO room for error for Jews. Not in planning, not in execution. It is what it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11402457


You seem to be a very informed individual and I must say you paint a very grim picture ! The fact of the matter is I'm scared that everything you said is true and America will turn it's back on Israel IF it hasn't done so already !

I can't say I'm surprised though, this is kind of what I was expecting from Mr. Hussein and now that he's been reelected I fear the worst for Israel !

The scenario that you described (the US cutting off all ties with Israel, including not vetoing any UN resolutions) although unlikely is not completely out of the question in my opinion...but IF that ever happens, Hussein is going to have hell to pay at home !

Remember one very important thing, if Israel is ever abandoned by the US and isolated and it's very existence threatened it WILL nuke the shit out of the entire middle east and that is a lose-lose scenario for everyone in the world !
 Quoting: subzero86


To the contrary, I don't really see it as "grim" per se.

Rather, I see it as REALITY. And reality is as beautiful and wonderous at times, as it is often cruel and pointless at other times.

It is what it is. Israel and Jews find themselves in a position where they cannot (majorly) miscalaculate. Not militarily, not diplomatically, not anyhow.

Hey, it's not that bad, really. Sure, Israel can be destroyed literally at any moment by an Iranian or a smuggled North Korean/Pakistani/Ukranian nuke.

But hey, any one of us can also die literally at ANY moment, even people still in the teens like me....so the lesson here, if there is one, is you gotta learn how to appreciate life every passing moment. And turn "grim" things into FUN things, if possible LOL.

Again, as difficult of a position as Israel finds itself in -- it's still a crazy, dynamic, diverse thriving high-tech country with a strong economy even during global economic crisis. Its recent oil & gas finds promise to turn it into a regional super-power within short few years. It just needs to hold on for a little bit longer....

And really, compared to the challenged of the Exile for 2,000 years... compared to all the Biblical hardships God put before His people... this is nothing.

Likewise, compared to the Holocaust, this is also walk in the park.

Life is really great, even when it's not. Allah does suck the big one, though, but Allah & his band of barbarians will never prevail in the end.
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That's why when you try to debate a Jew-hater... a Ron Paul Libertarian...
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You are WAY off base there AC. Try sticking to the truth next time if you want to appear even close to believable.

The rest of your rant reads as if you're speaking of your own delusional bias. "Professional".. heal thyself.

Take the rafter out of your own eye before you attempt to see if others have a splinter in theirs.
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Are we stil with hours or should we expand it to within days?
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Better expand it into the years.
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But that would mean the world isn't ending next monthnorespect
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To the contrary, I don't really see it as "grim" per se.

Rather, I see it as REALITY. And reality is as beautiful and wonderous at times, as it is often cruel and pointless at other times.

It is what it is. Israel and Jews find themselves in a position where they cannot (majorly) miscalaculate. Not militarily, not diplomatically, not anyhow.

Hey, it's not that bad, really. Sure, Israel can be destroyed literally at any moment by an Iranian or a smuggled North Korean/Pakistani/Ukranian nuke.

But hey, any one of us can also die literally at ANY moment, even people still in the teens like me....so the lesson here, if there is one, is you gotta learn how to appreciate life every passing moment. And turn "grim" things into FUN things, if possible LOL.

Again, as difficult of a position as Israel finds itself in -- it's still a crazy, dynamic, diverse thriving high-tech country with a strong economy even during global economic crisis. Its recent oil & gas finds promise to turn it into a regional super-power within short few years. It just needs to hold on for a little bit longer....

And really, compared to the challenged of the Exile for 2,000 years... compared to all the Biblical hardships God put before His people... this is nothing.

Likewise, compared to the Holocaust, this is also walk in the park.

Life is really great, even when it's not. Allah does suck the big one, though, but Allah & his band of barbarians will never prevail in the end.
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You should really register for an account ! GLP needs more posters like you !

You're very coherent, well informed and really able to get your point across...it's really a shame for you to post as an AC !
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To the contrary, I don't really see it as "grim" per se.

Rather, I see it as REALITY. And reality is as beautiful and wonderous at times, as it is often cruel and pointless at other times.

It is what it is. Israel and Jews find themselves in a position where they cannot (majorly) miscalaculate. Not militarily, not diplomatically, not anyhow.

Hey, it's not that bad, really. Sure, Israel can be destroyed literally at any moment by an Iranian or a smuggled North Korean/Pakistani/Ukranian nuke.

But hey, any one of us can also die literally at ANY moment, even people still in the teens like me....so the lesson here, if there is one, is you gotta learn how to appreciate life every passing moment. And turn "grim" things into FUN things, if possible LOL.

Again, as difficult of a position as Israel finds itself in -- it's still a crazy, dynamic, diverse thriving high-tech country with a strong economy even during global economic crisis. Its recent oil & gas finds promise to turn it into a regional super-power within short few years. It just needs to hold on for a little bit longer....

And really, compared to the challenged of the Exile for 2,000 years... compared to all the Biblical hardships God put before His people... this is nothing.

Likewise, compared to the Holocaust, this is also walk in the park.

Life is really great, even when it's not. Allah does suck the big one, though, but Allah & his band of barbarians will never prevail in the end.
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You should really register for an account ! GLP needs more posters like you !

You're very coherent, well informed and really able to get your point across...it's really a shame for you to post as an AC !
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IAF hits three Gazan terror targets in response to rockets
By TOVAH LAZAROFF, YAAKOV LAPPIN
LAST UPDATED: 11/13/2012 08:24
Air force strikes rocket launching sites in northern, central Gaza; Grad rocket lands in open area near Ashdod, as hostilities enter fourth day; Hamas discusses possible cease-fire as Israeli brass set to convene.
Smoke rises in Gaza after IAF air strike [file] Photo: Amir Cohen/Reuters

The Israeli Air Force hit terror targets in the Gaza Strip overnight Monday and a Grad rocket fired from the coastal territory landed in an open area near Ashdod as hostilities in the region entered a fourth day.

The violence came as Hamas said a cease-fire agreement was contingent on Israel's actions in Gaza and Israel's top brass was set to convene to discuss possible responses to the ongoing rocket fire. The latest round of violence in the Gaza border region began Saturday, when Palestinian terrorists in Gaza fired an anti-tank missile at an IDF jeep, injuring four soldiers. Over a hundred rockets have been fired from Gaza into southern Israel since, causing damage to property and minor injuries. IAF responses to the rocket attacks have killed six Palestinians
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The Israeli Air Force hit back at two rocket launching sites in the northern Gaza Strip and a weapons storage site in central Gaza overnight on Monday, the IDF Spokesperson Office said.

IAF personnel recorded a direct hit on their targets, the IDF spokesman's Office said. No injuries were reported.

Several hours later a Grad rocket was fired from Gaza, landing in an open area near Ashdod. No injuries or damage were reported in the attack.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu held security consultations on Monday night to weigh a military response to the continuous barrage of rockets, as the worried international community urged restraint.

“We’ll take whatever action is necessary to put a stop to this. This is not merely our right, it’s also our duty,” Netanyahu told a large meeting of foreign ambassadors in Ashkelon during the afternoon.

Some 20 rockets fired from Gaza slammed into southern Israel throughout the day Monday.

One rocket scored a direct strike on a Netivot factory, causing damage but no injuries, as workers found cover just in time.

Video footage of the strike showed factory workers scurrying for safety during an air raid siren, with some jumping off forklifts, before an explosion tore through a part of the factory.

Magen David Adom treated 37 people for shock.

Iron Dome successfully intercepts several rockets

The Iron Dome rocket defense system went into action repeatedly on Monday, intercepting two rockets headed for Ofakim, and before that, shooting down two long-range rockets hurtling toward Ashkelon.

A rocket exploded in Sderot in the evening, sending wary residents rushing for safety.

It was the third day of a continuous rocket barrage in which some 120 projectiles, including missiles and mortars were fired at Israel.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak held a special evaluation meeting at the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv together with IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz and OC Southern Command Maj.- Gen. Tal Russo.

Barak also met with Netanyahu and Gantz in Jerusalem. It is believed that they are developing a new policy for responding to the Gazan rockets.

The security cabinet is expected to meet on Tuesday, although the Prime Minister’s Office would not confirm the information.

Israel mulling ground response, Likud minister says

Israel's response has so far been restrained. Overnight Sunday, the air force struck a weapons storage facility in the northern end of the Strip, and a terror target in southern Gaza. There were no injuries in the air strikes.

Israel is close to initiating a major ground operation in the Gaza Strip in order to put an end to the Palestinian rocket fire, Education Minister Gideon Sa’ar told Israel Radio.

“We are preparing for a major operation,” he said, adding that Israel is taking steps diplomatically to prepare for such a contingency.

The United Nations, the European Union and France on Monday condemned the rocket fire, but urged both parties not to take any steps that would escalate the situation.

“Both sides should do everything to avoid further escalation and must respect their obligations under international humanitarian law to ensure the protection of civilians at all times,” the office of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki- Moon said.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton added that she supported Egyptian efforts to broker a cease-fire.

Gaza leadership says cease-fire contingent on Israeli actions

Hamas in Gaza called a meeting of the various factions to examine how to avoid further Palestinian casualties, Bethlehem-based Ma’an news agency reported, citing a Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) leader. Six Palestinians have been killed in Israeli strikes since the weekend, four of whom were civilians.

A Hamas statement from the meeting said that its activities and the possibility of a cease-fire “depend on the continuation of the Israeli aggression.”

Soon after the meeting, however, Gazans fired three additional rockets at Sderot. The rockets exploded in open areas, causing no damages or injuries.

Netanyahu discusses rocket attacks with foreign ambassadors

In the middle of the day, Netanyahu invited all the foreign ambassadors in Israel to talk with him in Ashkelon about the Gazan rockets.

They met in a large unprotected auditorium along the seashore that was within rocket range, so he could make the case that the violent barrage against Israel’s citizens was intolerable.

To his left as he spoke, laid out on a table was a small arsenal of rockets and missiles that had been launched into Israel, including a Kassam, a Grad and a Katushya of Iranian or Chinese origin.

From the podium, Netanyahu looked out at the ambassadors who sat on rows of folded chairs.

To underscore their vulnerability, Netanyahu told them, “If an alarm is sounded, all of us have exactly 30 seconds to find shelter.”

He explained that they were not the only ones in danger. “This is the situation in which one million Israelis find themselves.That’s families, old people, children, babies,” he said.

They are targeted on a daily basis by those who took over the area that Israel vacated in 2005 when it withdrew from the Gaza Strip, Netanyahu continued, saying that those who launch the rockets hide behind civilians in Gaza so they can target Israeli civilians.

“I don’t know of any of the citizens of your cities, who could find that acceptable and something that could proceed on a normal basis,” he said.

“The whole world understands that this is not acceptable,” Netanyahu said.

He added that neither he nor the people of Israel would continue to tolerate it.

“Any fair-minded person in any fair-minded government in the world would understand that it’s our right to defend our people, and this is what we shall do,” Netanyahu said.

To help the ambassadors understand the situation, the Prime Minister’s Office also showed them video clips of Palestinians launching rockets and of Israeli citizens from the South diving for cover.

On the stage with Netanyahu was Ashkelon Mayor Benny Vaknin and Home Front Defense Minister Avi Dichter.

Ashkelon, Sderot and Netivot residents were also present to tell the ambassadors what it felt like to live under constant threat of attack.

French envoy concerned over weapon-smuggling into Gaza

French Ambassador to Israel Christophe Bigot told The Jerusalem Post that the visit did underscore the vulnerability of southern residents to rocket attacks, as did the testimony of the residents.

“It was a way for all of us to get a hint of what these people [southern residents] experience,” he said.

Bigot noted that during his six years in Israel, he has made many solidarity visits to the South, as well as to the North during the Second Lebanon War.

“I stayed for three hours in Haifa. There were three alerts and I had to run to the bomb shelter three times,” Bigot said.

The prime minister, he said, described what had happened, but not what would happen.

Bigot said he was hopeful that a relative calm could be restored through Egyptian efforts. But, he said, he remained concerned by the number of weapons that had been smuggled into Gaza.

Dichter told Channel 2 that evening that Israel had to find a way to deal with the amount of missiles that had been stockpiled in Gaza.

Air strikes can’t eliminate the missiles; only ground forces can get rid of them, he said.

Jpost.com Staff contributed to this report.
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Remember one very important thing, if Israel is ever abandoned by the US and isolated and it's very existence threatened it WILL nuke the shit out of the entire middle east and that is a lose-lose scenario for everyone in the world !
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So then, you're saying Israel will commit genocide against the entire mideast, or even the entire world, if Israel thinks their existence is threatened?

Is that blackmail and/or a warning to let you have your way because you're nothing but psychopaths that care only about yourselves, the rest of us be damned?

Maybe the world might need to muzzle Israel before they destroy us all.
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Grad rocket explodes in open area near coastal city of Ashdod, no casualties reported (Haaretz)

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So much for Hamas keeping the cease fire...
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Hey, Sub...good to see you.

I'm not logged-in, but I'm Fat Albert (with Romanian ancestors).

You said it. Hamas and Hezbollah will never keep any cease fire agreement because they are heretics and are to be shunned.

They have invaded Israel several times, built their "Dome of the Rock" in OUR temple, and claimed it for Mohammed.

Their religion refuses to allow peace, because we, to them, will always be non-beievers (in Islam) and those bastards will keep trying to kill every Jew, every American, every westerner, every Christian and Catholic, until the Islamic jihadists are laid waste, or there are no more of "us" to fight them.

Israel is the blessed land of our ancestors and all whom have dare oppose her have fallen. Romans, Egyptians, Syrians, you name it.

So, this may be the beginning of the end, but the end brings glorification to G-d in the name of Israel, and fulfillment of his covenant with we, the chosen people.
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Hey there Albert ! hi Nice to see you too !

Don't worry my friend, Israel will survive this challenge as it has survived many others in the past !
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No worries, Sub.

Israel has been so restrained in this "mini conflict" that you just know they're working on a solution.

I find it ironic and disgusting that Hamas is now calling for a "cease fire" after the IDF launched a few Hellfire missiles straight on target, and then took out the artillery unit in the Gaza with one canon shot from a tank.

Very nice, very precise.

Israel now knows they are on their own, as B. Hussein Obama, who denies his Muslim roots (but who listed his religion as "Islam" on his Indonesian school application) feels he is invincible.

I find it more ironic that "Mr. Invincible" was told by Iran just yesterday that they would "break his hands" if he attempts to put them around the "throat of Iran".

So much for his "messiah complex"!

All in all, I feel Israel is working-up toward a ground action to clean house in Gaza, which will not detract from their readiness for action in Iran, which will primarily be an air operation.

All is well in the world, Israel is safe...it's just those pesky Palestinian and Syrian "mosquitoes" that keep picking at the edges of the country. That will soon be resolved...IDF-style!

Be well, and God Bless.
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Remember one very important thing, if Israel is ever abandoned by the US and isolated and its very existence threatened it WILL nuke the shit out of the entire middle east and that is a lose-lose scenario for everyone in the world !
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What a blessing! The Prince of Peace must be so proud hf
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Remember one very important thing, if Israel is ever abandoned by the US and isolated and it's very existence threatened it WILL nuke the shit out of the entire middle east and that is a lose-lose scenario for everyone in the world !
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So then, you're saying Israel will commit genocide against the entire mideast, or even the entire world, if Israel thinks their existence is threatened?

Is that blackmail and/or a warning to let you have your way because you're nothing but psychopaths that care only about yourselves, the rest of us be damned?

Maybe the world might need to muzzle Israel before they destroy us all.
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If all the muslim nations gang up on Israel and the US abandons it...it's logical they will feel backed into a corner and will do everything in their power to survive !

I'm sure nukes are an absolute last resort but trust me, they will use them if they get cornered as would any country in the world !

And who said anything about the rest of us being damned ? U mad bro ? All I said is IF Israel nukes the middle east the whole world will suffer from the economic and social chaos not just that region !
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If all the muslim nations gang up on Israel and the US abandons it...it's logical they will feel backed into a corner and will to everything in their power to survive !

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There are things more important than survival.
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