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>>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?

 
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in most cases, correct. however, in the past decade or so many manufacturers have sold "slugsters", or "deer hunters" with a rifled barrel specifically for the firing of slugs (they also sell replacement barrels that are rifled). you can also on occasion find old brit "paradox" shotguns (much more likely in former brit colonies than here in the states) which are rifled for the last few inches of the bore. these are almost entirely made with barrels that were only proofed for black powder loads, though, so they should NEVER be fired with modern ammo (unless of course you are enamored with the idea of picking chunks of barrel out of your face). if you do find a paradox gun, they are highly collectable.
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Interesting. I'm not much of a gun person (besides we have very limited choice and guns and ammo are very expensive in OZ) but the ins and out of it all are interesting.

Couldn't you just drop some of the modern powder load from the slug to match the power of a black powder load and safely fire it?
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nope. the pressure curve of smokeless makes it an unsafe idea. kynoch and a couple of other european ammo makers still load black powder shells for use in the old timers, but even then you're talking about a century old collectors piece. the odds of seeing a paradox gun outside of collections or africa is kind of low, but i figured in Oz it was a possibility. a good rule of thumb is if it's an old double (especially a holland and holland, or parker) and the barrels show a 2 tone appearance, either tiger stripes, or a kind of chainlink pattern, it has the old school "damascus" barrels. they were only proofed for black, and are without a doubt unsafe for smokeless loads. the transitional barrels will be marked as proofed for smokeless, and pretty much everything made after the 1930s will be smokeless proofed.if you have any doubt, good sense says black powder only, or have a REAL expert tell you if the barrels are safe for smokeless. the same rule can apply to rifles as well, especially if chambered for old "express" calibers. pulling chunks of barrel out of your face would be a very unpleasant experience, so if you arent sure beyond a shadow of a doubt, ask the opinion of somebody who KNOWS.
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27573720 seems to know his stuff, too!

It's a bit of an Art, in a way it seems.

I think I'll stick to recurve bow and Kylie stick (ow, my shoulder!)
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
how accurate is buckshot? how many yards is it accurate?
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high power rifle goes through the deer and can keep going, slugs most of the time knock the deer on his ass in that spot... no looking for the deer
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so you're saying slugs out of a shotgun are powerful as hell?
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yes.. short range through
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umm

a sabot from a rifled barrel is accurate out to 150 yards

but then that's not really a shotgun anymore

it's a fucking elephant rifle

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I know all my friends use to laugh at me hunting with slugs but every time in the last 30 years I have shot a deer, I did not have to go looking for it.

I count 150 yards as short range, sorry, but most of the time with slugs it is within 75 yards, I also mostly hunt in dense woods within 10 to 20 yards, I try to get in the really thick stuff, bigger deer... if hunting more than 75 yards I use my Browning A bolt
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what if your barrel is rifled? How can you tell if you have a smoth bore?
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put all your ammo in a lockbox or in a differnt room. Take your gun completely apart, as you would when you are cleaning. look down the barrel from the chamber end. point the muzzle at a light source.

If you see spiral grooves. you have a rifled barrel.
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most mossy rifled barrels have rifle sights or scope base on them.

They are also marked near the breech end just in front of where the barrel goes into the reciever on the left as you hold the weapon
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good stuff! the only way they are going let the people keep guns (or any tool) is if we stick together and demonstrate we can use them safely.

It would be nice if they held themselves to the same standard.

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how accurate is buckshot? how many yards is it accurate?
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so now we are not deer hunting...

Buckshot would be a awesome item to have in darkness
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
27573720 seems to know his stuff, too!

It's a bit of an Art, in a way it seems.

I think I'll stick to recurve bow and Kylie stick (ow, my shoulder!)
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firearms and i are very old friends. i also really enjoy the old timers rather than the modern "gee whizzery"" stuff. bow hunting is a real art in my eyes. your stalking skills have to be dead on to get within range (or you have to be a skilled ambusher, lol). what's a Kylie stick?
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
I only use the saboted slugs in a smooth bore barrel.
You can use regular slugs, but IMHO it is hard on the bore.

On the plus side the Sabot Slugs seem to fly better and the accuracy is really good out to 150 yards.
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how accurate is buckshot? how many yards is it accurate?
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so now we are not deer hunting...

Buckshot would be a awesome item to have in darkness
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I'm a newbie at hunting. Figured that's what people used since it's called "buck shot". Am I wrong?
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how accurate is buckshot? how many yards is it accurate?
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a good rule of thumb for shot is "10,000 times the shot diameter". for 00 buck, that would be 10,000/36 ft. or just 275 ft. (00 is .33 inch diameter, so 36 to the foot)
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
how accurate is buckshot? how many yards is it accurate?
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so now we are not deer hunting...

Buckshot would be a awesome item to have in darkness
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I'm a newbie at hunting. Figured that's what people used since it's called "buck shot". Am I wrong?
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i dont think buckshot is legal for deer hunting anywhere in the us anymore, though i could be wrong. it was the standard deer load for smoothbores for close ranges back in the stone age however, that or "punkin balls" as my hillbilly friends used to call single ball loads. buck is basically for human hunting these days
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A while back i was watching the walking dead and the kid got shot by a deer hunter, yep, i shit you not.
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And your point would be ? The thing you put your ball cap on?
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
I have a mossberg 500 12 gague and want to know if I need to have a slug barrel to shoot slugs. I'm going deer hunting and want to use slugs but don't wanna buy a slug barrell. Thanks.
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The difference is bored barrel vs smooth barrel. It will say on the slug box which is required.
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what if your barrel is rifled? How can you tell if you have a smoth bore?
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WARNING: MAKE SURE IT"S UNLOADED and take a flashlight flash it in the chamber while open where you put in the rounds. Look in from the other end if you see swirls in there it's rifled. If not it's smooth bore
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
how accurate is buckshot? how many yards is it accurate?
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so now we are not deer hunting...

Buckshot would be a awesome item to have in darkness
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I'm a newbie at hunting. Figured that's what people used since it's called "buck shot". Am I wrong?
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i dont think buckshot is legal for deer hunting anywhere in the us anymore, though i could be wrong. it was the standard deer load for smoothbores for close ranges back in the stone age however, that or "punkin balls" as my hillbilly friends used to call single ball loads. buck is basically for human hunting these days
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For hunting game you can use "buck shots" for closer range, but your better off with a rifled slug. You can't use rifles in MASS it has to be shotgun ( Stupid place ) ME & NH you can still use those loads. Correct me if im wrong
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OP,

It kind of sounds like you're a little unsure of what you're doing. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take the time and take the gun to a gun dealer and ask them so they can actually look at your gun before you ASSUME something and accidentally kill yourself.

I've seen guns that have shot the wrong bullet/slug before and it isn't pretty. The barrel WILL spontaneous disassemble (explode) and blow up in your face. Don't take that chance!

Yeah, its pretty basic stuff but people are killed every year accidentally. Don't be one of them. Don't take a chance. Its not worth it. The gun dealer/gunsmith won't charge you for asking them a question. BE SMART!

Best of luck.
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Re: >>>>>>Can you shoot a slug round out of a non-slug barrel?
I only use the saboted slugs in a smooth bore barrel.
You can use regular slugs, but IMHO it is hard on the bore.

On the plus side the Sabot Slugs seem to fly better and the accuracy is really good out to 150 yards.
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It shouldn't be as the slug is made of lead. It depends if your an enviromentalist etc. they don't like to use lead. If it is lead, it's a soft metal and shouldn't be too bad on the boar. Steel & Copper will be worst ( I personally have never seen steel nor copper but in rifle ammo they do )
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Sounds like you need to take a hunting ed course and a firearms course as well. A rifled slug is for a smooth bore barrel and a sabot is for a rifled barrel. Some info on your shotty would help as well. Safe hunting
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so now we are not deer hunting...

Buckshot would be a awesome item to have in darkness
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I'm a newbie at hunting. Figured that's what people used since it's called "buck shot". Am I wrong?
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i dont think buckshot is legal for deer hunting anywhere in the us anymore, though i could be wrong. it was the standard deer load for smoothbores for close ranges back in the stone age however, that or "punkin balls" as my hillbilly friends used to call single ball loads. buck is basically for human hunting these days
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For hunting game you can use "buck shots" for closer range, but your better off with a rifled slug. You can't use rifles in MASS it has to be shotgun ( Stupid place ) ME & NH you can still use those loads. Correct me if im wrong
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western tier of NY is "shotgun country" as well. yeah, i could see Maine and New Hampshire allowing buckshot on deer, most is fairly forested still. that and there are lots of old timers still plying the woods for venison. the shotgun only regs are based on old school slugs from smoothbores being less likely to carry much over a few hundred yds, so in denser population areas less likelihood of accidentally perforating miss crumbcake's bucket (or miss crumbcake for that matter, lol)
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OP,

It kind of sounds like you're a little unsure of what you're doing. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take the time and take the gun to a gun dealer and ask them so they can actually look at your gun before you ASSUME something and accidentally kill yourself.

I've seen guns that have shot the wrong bullet/slug before and it isn't pretty. The barrel WILL spontaneous disassemble (explode) and blow up in your face. Don't take that chance!

Yeah, its pretty basic stuff but people are killed every year accidentally. Don't be one of them. Don't take a chance. Its not worth it. The gun dealer/gunsmith won't charge you for asking them a question. BE SMART!

Best of luck.
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Will do, Thank you. I don't plan on going if I'm not informed on my gear.
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Sounds like you need to take a hunting ed course and a firearms course as well. A rifled slug is for a smooth bore barrel and a sabot is for a rifled barrel. Some info on your shotty would help as well. Safe hunting
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I took the concealed carry course but when it comes to shotguns/rifles I'm clueless. I will always practice safe procedure though.
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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and you should be asking your father or go to a hunting class, a 18 year shot his best friend in the back with a shotgun here, no safety on walking behind his friend in the woods, he died... less then 2 foot away
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That's all part of the fun of hunting....not knowing who's gonna come home with the birds.

If you go hunting with idiots like Dick Cheney, the odds are somone's going down....eventually.
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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Buckshot is .30 Cal and if you shoot 5-6 rounds of it in rapid succession, very few things in front of the barrel will remain unmolested. I think there are 10-12 buck shots in each shell.
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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Buckshot is .30 Cal and if you shoot 5-6 rounds of it in rapid succession, very few things in front of the barrel will remain unmolested. I think there are 10-12 buck shots in each shell.
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what if the intruder is wearing body armor?
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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depends on your definition of "home defense", and whether you live alone, and how close neighbors live. if only for interior use, and folks could get hurt by shot going through walls, i'd recommend coarse birdshot. something like goose loads. less wallboard penetration, but still vicious "rat hole" wounds at typical interior ranges. if you live alone, and interior only, you could crank it up a notch to #4 buckshot, assuming you live in a detached home. if you have a fairly large property to defend without anybody within a couple hundred yds, then 00 buck is cool. at close range, all shotloads hit as pretty much a single fist sized or smaller mass, so smaller shot (like #4 birdshot goose loads) will still be awful to be standing in front of, but get much past 50 ft, or add a couple thicknesses of wallboard, the lethality goes way down (killing the wife and kids is frowned on, and neighbors tend to object to catching shot as well). if an apartment even rabbit loads like #6 bird would remove most of the steam from a bad guys boiler, while seriously minimizing risk to others (but lethality begins to wain around 25 ft).
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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Buckshot is .30 Cal and if you shoot 5-6 rounds of it in rapid succession, very few things in front of the barrel will remain unmolested. I think there are 10-12 buck shots in each shell.
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what if the intruder is wearing body armor?
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almost nobody has head to toe armor
Spaces at the joints or neck are usually unprotected or weak
Nowadays, if you have to go toe to toe with someone with good equipment center mass is not the target with lead unless youre going for a knockdown first, but the lower abd, pelvis or face, or if in some official capacity go for the legs base of the neck or knees unless a ballistic mask or visor is present
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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load it up with some dimes best $ 1.25 you'll ever spend. joking aside i prefer bird shot for the home less likely to penetrate the other walls all the way through. it really depends on your situation though because i also keep 00 buck in the side saddle. Mossberg 835 pump tactical ed.
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What's the better round for home defense? Slug or Buckshot?
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For home defense #4 Buckshot. 27 .22 Caliber balls of lead or steel is a poor mans claymore mine. Imagine...27 .22 caliber bullets impacting a hall area all at once. Quickly followed by a second and third trigger pull with the same results. Anyone in that hall is going to be messed up really bad. The #4 allows for a pretty decent spread while maximizing tissue damage. Three shots in quick succession is like shooting 81 .22 calibers guns at a single target at close range. It will get the job done.

A single shotgun slug will also defeat most body armor devoid of trauma plates. And can be shot accurately out to a 100 meters with the same results.

Same gun- different loads for different defense situations.

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