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BREAKING - Texas Secession Petition just keeps growing and growing!

 
Shelgeyr

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Re: Texas v. White

It won't matter, i.e. citing "Texas v. White" will be like arguing with the weather.

So the Supreme Court unilaterally decided in 1869 that:

"6. When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

7. Considered as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention, and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union."

...that was THEIR post-war opinion, which would have held no sway - at all - had it taken place during the war (please overlook the absurd logic that would have been required for the case to have been filed under those circumstances), OR if the Confederacy had prevailed.

Don't get me wrong - I'm glad the Confederacy lost. Always have been. But this is a victor's ruling.

And to think "Texas v. White" would actually matter when placed up against the active will of the present living populace is to be delusional.

Texas may or may not secede. But if they don't, it won't be because everyone suddenly looked around and said "Oh, guess we'd better give up 'cause 'Texas v. White' says we can't do this!"

THAT is even less likely than secession itself.
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I say let them go...we won't even notice them being gone! Give them back to Mexico!
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Not likely there, guy.
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Isaid many moons ago..every state of usa will fight for their own state to become independant break away and every state will become their own country just like africa.
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The count was up to 60,991 a few moments ago!
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They can become part of Mexico and we will be rid of that problem. 5a
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They can become part of Mexico and we will be rid of that problem. 5a
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Take that loser state California with you.. 5a
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bump
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Up to 76,951 as of moments ago!
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I am sure most Texans would gladly accept any of you god loving, gun lovin liberal hating folks any time. I know I would.
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As a non-Texan I do think that Texas (and California) "could" survive as independent economic countries, whereas most others states, and even some entire regions could NOT. 25,000,000 people is clearly enough people for creating a country.

I will point out though with current Demographic trends Hispanics WILL outnumber Whites in Texas by 2020, and when combined with Blacks (about 12% of the population), the current minorities in that State will greatly outnumber Whites by then.
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And then, don't forget about Mecha. Are they still very active ? This is a movement which, in a nation with this kind of a population, might be a strong influence for "bonding" with the mother country (by which I mean Mexico). All kinds of things could happen.
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Well, then, they should just send ALL the mexicans back to mexico and all the blacks to africa
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Please cut the c***.
Mecha was a very strong influence on American campuses a decade ago. You don't see them mentioned much in the news anymore, but that doesn't mean anything. Their motto is or was "All for the race (la raza), nothing for the others". La raza is supposed to be the "bronze" people, the Mexican aboriginals - the Aztecs and such.
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It does NOT count unless you LIVE in the state of Texas.....Sooooooo...just signing a petition for the SAKE of Texas, or any other state....will not Count unless you LIVE
there
 Quoting: saturn12


...and you read that rule where?
 Quoting: Shelgeyr

It just makes sense, doesn't it ?
What sense would there be in me, living in New York City (just as an example), petitioning for the secession of California ? It's the Californians' business, not mine, whether California should secede or shouldn't.
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The count was up to 60,991 a few moments ago!
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wow isn't 25,000 needed for a response ?
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It does NOT count unless you LIVE in the state of Texas.....Sooooooo...just signing a petition for the SAKE of Texas, or any other state....will not Count unless you LIVE
there
 Quoting: saturn12


...and you read that rule where?
 Quoting: Shelgeyr

It just makes sense, doesn't it ?
What sense would there be in me, living in New York City (just as an example), petitioning for the secession of California ? It's the Californians' business, not mine, whether California should secede or shouldn't.
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correct its the peoples choice
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I just signed them all....
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11/13/2012 03:57 PM
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The petition (not "vote"), is to allow Texas to peacefully withdraw from the Union. Anyone can be in favor of that. Also, this is at a public DIY petition site, so it isn't topic- or constituency-constrained. Don't assume or invent restrictions where there aren't any...
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80,377 now in Texas
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80,377 now in Texas
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would this allow for the withdrawal from USA ? or will it disappear in a cupboard some where ?
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80,377 now in Texas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26295520


would this allow for the withdrawal from USA ? or will it disappear in a cupboard some where ?
 Quoting: Anderson_G


People really don't seem to understand. This is an indicator,a strong indicator, of discontent. If what is causing this anger and discontent isn't fixed, and it won't be, it will get worse.

It took around 10-15 years from when the first disagreements surfaced for the 1st American revolution to begin.

I don't know where on the timeline we presently are but we are definitely on it.
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80,377 now in Texas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26295520


would this allow for the withdrawal from USA ? or will it disappear in a cupboard some where ?
 Quoting: Anderson_G


People really don't seem to understand. This is an indicator,a strong indicator, of discontent. If what is causing this anger and discontent isn't fixed, and it won't be, it will get worse.

It took around 10-15 years from when the first disagreements surfaced for the 1st American revolution to begin.

I don't know where on the timeline we presently are but we are definitely on it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I know for us here in Texas, we know that Perry is willing to do this. He has stated it before. Last time, it didn't get enough MSM coverage, but this is 4 years later, and more internet sights, so.... He will see that the people of Texas are really fed up with our government, we are trying to say NO to Obama care, say NO to taking out 2nd and 10th amendment away, etc... we of course could go on for hours listing the complaints.
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What I want to know is where do we deport them to? What country would take 25,000 former Americans on short notice?

[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

"A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads."


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80,377 now in Texas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26295520


would this allow for the withdrawal from USA ? or will it disappear in a cupboard some where ?
 Quoting: Anderson_G


People really don't seem to understand. This is an indicator,a strong indicator, of discontent. If what is causing this anger and discontent isn't fixed, and it won't be, it will get worse.

It took around 10-15 years from when the first disagreements surfaced for the 1st American revolution to begin.

I don't know where on the timeline we presently are but we are definitely on it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I know for us here in Texas, we know that Perry is willing to do this. He has stated it before. Last time, it didn't get enough MSM coverage, but this is 4 years later, and more internet sights, so.... He will see that the people of Texas are really fed up with our government, we are trying to say NO to Obama care, say NO to taking out 2nd and 10th amendment away, etc... we of course could go on for hours listing the complaints.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26295520


"We of course could go on for hours listing the complaints"

Eventually the time for action will arrive.
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What I want to know is where do we deport them to? What country would take 25,000 former Americans on short notice?

[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

"A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads."

 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Lines are being drawn.
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What I want to know is where do we deport them to? What country would take 25,000 former Americans on short notice?

[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

"A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads."

 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


I guess these morans think obama is a czar with no checks on power and can unilaterally act in this matter.

But then that is part of the problem, people who have no understanding of the rule of law.
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80,377 now in Texas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26295520


would this allow for the withdrawal from USA ? or will it disappear in a cupboard some where ?
 Quoting: Anderson_G


People really don't seem to understand. This is an indicator,a strong indicator, of discontent. If what is causing this anger and discontent isn't fixed, and it won't be, it will get worse.

It took around 10-15 years from when the first disagreements surfaced for the 1st American revolution to begin.

I don't know where on the timeline we presently are but we are definitely on it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


ah ok thanks for clearing that up just hope it comes about peacefully
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over 82k a few mins ago

i wonder what will come from this, as a proud texan, i am glad were in this. someone need to stand up for values. banana2
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good riddance that state sucks anyway.. nothing but a bunch of inbred, cattle fucking, rednecks that swear they still live in the 1800's.. i hope they get their wish and mexico decides to invade them.
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good riddance that state sucks anyway.. nothing but a bunch of inbred, cattle fucking, rednecks that swear they still live in the 1800's.. i hope they get their wish and mexico decides to invade them.
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What I want to know is where do we deport them to? What country would take 25,000 former Americans on short notice?

[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

"A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads."

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Strip my corp. citizenship...please let me be free.
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Strip my corp. citizenship...please let me be free.
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i wonder what will come from this, as a proud texan, i am glad were in this. someone need to stand up for values. banana2
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