Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19902957 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23254866
tbh with all this bashing of icke and wilcock going, using childish approaches... only makes me believe in what they are saying more. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579473
Since you consider solid logical arguments and evidence to be "bashing" "using "childish approaches" you may want to check out Christianity because there's tons and tons of solid logical arguments being made against Christianity (including by Icke) so by your 'reasoning' there must be a greater probably that Christianity should be believed. I don't think an intelligent 12 year old could agree with that line of 'reasoning'.
Seriously, you actually think that solid logical arguments about something are "basing" and you think that they are "childish"?
Gorilla destroyed Icke. its old news. when you lie and go against truth"Jesus Christ" you end up with the short end of the stick. because real people who do real work will call you out.
Ad hominem attacks are how you prove your point? Well done.
Although I feel like I'm talking to a wall, I'll try again.
Let me repeat this because it was ignored when I posted it the first time:
Any of the following four points (and these are just the main points) would cause to me to stop listening to David dIcke.
But, this goes deeper than that. Anyone who can support #3 below is no one I even want to ever speak to or deal with. It's a person who could believe ANYTHING. And I don't have a problem with it because it's too unbelievable or "out there" or anything. I've looked at Icke's evidence for the moon matrix theory...he has NONE. That doesn't stop him from presenting it as if it's fact. All of that is bad enough but for people to actually believe it based on Icke's theorizing and nothing else (he claims that ancient legends support it but it's not true) is totally crazy or something worse.1. Icke has a huge contradiction concerning one of his main claims (see the original post in this thread).
"To believe in a contradiction is to abdicate your belief in the existence of the world around you and the nature of the things in it, to instead embrace any random impulse that strikes your fancy - to imagine something is real simply because you wish it were.A thing is what it is, it is itself. There can be no contradictions. In reality, contradictions cannot exist. To believe in them you must abandon the most important thing you possess:your rational mind. The wager for such a bargain is your life. In such an exchange, you always lose what you have at stake." - Terry Goodkind
2. "Icke" fits the criteria of a charlatan.
David dIcke claimed to be a prophet in 2006 (see the video below). Icke fits the definition of a charlatan because when someone has made multiple predictions that have failed to come to pass but they continue to call themselves a prophet, such as:
Icke claimed Saddam Hussein was dead 1991 (not 2006 when he actually died).
"In defiance of Icke's predictions for the early 1990s, Cuba is still to be found on the map of the real world, New York City remains upright and the white cliffs of Dover are still standing."
Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk
] 3. Icke is leading people to the following insane beliefs:
"Since my little bundle with David dIcke and of course him owning himself so spectacularly by claiming that the moon is a giant spacecraft inhabited by aliens controlling us with mind rays, I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff.
Well, yeah, you know, because, you know TV programs are called a program for a reason and you know, movies are the same thing, they are a program. They are a program that goes in your head and it will stay there, you know. The more interesting they make it, the more exciting they make it, the more it will fiddle with your mind. It will just, you know, mess around with you there and you want to hear words like matrix and blue pill, red pill, and you know the rabbit hole, and the spider's web and stuff like that. Because it makes for a good dungeons and dragons conversation. But, big kids get together and that's what they do, they're playing dungeons and dragons and they don't even realize it.
Do this: go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays
You discover that your wife has been having an affair behind your back and you say to her, "Why did you do it?" And she says, "I'm sorry baby but the aliens in the moon with the mind rays, they made me do it. It's not my fault." Are you gonna believe her? Are you?
I don't think you are, are you? But, you see, this is the problem. If you're prepared to accept that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling you with mind rays then you're gonna have to accept that your wife or your girlfriend or your husband or whoever one day can turn around and say that to you..."
The above is quoted from this video:4. Icke saying "Japan is over" is irresponsible at the very least. He has no credentials, background, or expertise to make such a judgment.
Wouldn't it be awful if his fans in Japan and the rest of the world were scared to death because they think he's a prophet and that what he says will come to pass?
I hate to see unnecessary suffering like that. How about you?