I realy appreciate the work of David. I woke up in this illusion myself and a few years later I came across Davids work.. he is showing how far the rabbit hole goes. I do not agree with all he says and shows.. he is not my guru or guide.. I am my own guide, aware of the matrix and dealing with it. David, thank you. Quoting: Ministar
Do you believe in karma? Because of my experiences in my life I believe in karma. When I'm involved in something that harms others such as when I worked for an unscrupulous company, it hurt me spiritually, it drained my energy.
My opinion is that because David "Icke" is leading people to potentially damaging beliefs such as the moon matrix theory (as is described below) the karmic effect will be negative on anyone who supports him through group karma which I also believe in based on my life experience.
When I worked for that unscrupulous company although I didn't do anything unscrupulous myself just being a part of the operation damaged me through what I believe to be group karma. I've come to believe through my life experience that group karma is based on a shared karma that people get just from belonging to a group. Simply belonging to that company drained my energy and made me much weaker spiritually. I got out as soon as I could and I've become stronger since.
Quoting from "David dIcke, Arizona Wilder and the Biggest Secret" By Ivan Fraser
"Icke's Matrix is real. But Icke's portrayal of it and understanding of it is like a naive child's. He has no depth of understanding and insufficient experience in the field. His veil is strong, and his influence great - because he connects his ignorant level of energy with others of ignorance and the energy is transferred, auric field breached, and controllers plugged in.
You yourself spoke of feeling the flow at his meetings. Me too - I had to leave the room at one of his lectures because something was desperately trying to force its way into me.
But because I know what is going on, I defend myself - whereas99.99% of people on this planet have no idea what is going on. Icke is one of them - he gets flashes of it but they always steer those into their own propaganda. They get in first with people like Icke, so that anyone revealing the truth of it will fall on deaf ears, on those that have already believed they have the answer and have already plugged into their astral reality, and have already reinforced the Veil of perception."
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The statement above: "something was desperately trying to force its way into me" is incredibly scary. I've felt that in this thread and I've felt it when watching Icke's lectures and dealing with Icke fans at other times. The only other time I can recall having such a feeling was when I was involved with Christianity, I was raised in a Christian family.
What's the connection between Christianity and the moon matrix theory? They're both belief systems that require faith in what would otherwise be considered ridiculous notions. How is such a thing as the moon matrix theory considered to be progressing towards truth? That's a question for each individual to answer.
I think the following is important to consider in terms of group karma.
The 2012 hoax alone has caused people to go insane and lose a lot. I knew someone who I believe was driven insane by it. He believed 100% in the 'Mayan prophecy' and that December 21st 2012 was the end of the world. I had to cut ties with him because he was too crazy for me. He said that aliens were coming to save certain chosen people on December 21st 2012 of which he was one and that people like him would be taken off in a giant spaceship. He had given up his whole life to that belief basically. It's tragic.
Now you've got Icke fans saying that the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to (see below) are a legitimate view of 'reality' and they support it as valid and credible.
It becomes incredibly tragic when you realize that if people actually do what gorilla199 suggested:
"go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays
It's going to cost people their relationships, their careers, their standing in the community, etc.. That's what happened between me and my old friend I just mentioned. Him sharing his outrageous beliefs about 2012 and the aliens that would save humanity cost us our friendship. In the long run he ended up losing his job and I believe that was related to his 2012 beliefs.
You've got Icke fans supporting the the moon matrix theory and the belief system it leads you to as a legitimate, valid, and credible view of 'reality'. Icke fans are rooting people on to their doom.
It's not only that though. Icke fans don't care that Icke is leading people to this horrible abyss of a belief system. No one outside of Icke's circle is gonna believe the moon matrix theory and where it leads you to. That will only cause massive suffering for those who believe in it and their friends and loved ones too.
I've experienced something similar so I have lots of compassion for the victims here especially the children and spouses of those who believe this stuff, those people may suffer the most.
Where's the compassion of the Icke fans?
All of this has nothing to do with Icke, this is about a charlatan who is leading people to do their doom.
Icke fans should be open to all possibility especially the possibility that a different view of things is necessary for some people to realize what's going as is pointed out below:I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff.
If Icke fans had any real awareness they'd be happy that more information is being put out there so that people can make better decisions but what we're seeing from Icke fans in this thread is the opposite.
Why is it important to get this truth out? Knowledge is power. As is pointed out in the following video, some people have been led to a place they don't want to be because of Icke's belief system and they need help. I think about my friend and I'm sad that I didn't help him to overcome his insanity, I just cut him off. I may be trying to make up for that by doing this thread. I have a ton of compassion for people like him.
We've got the people who claim "Infinite love is the only truth..." showing no sympathy or compassion whatsoever. They won't show any sympathy or compassion for the suffering that Icke will do and has done with his other claims. I think that speaks for itself.
Quoting from this video below:
"Since my little bundle with David dIcke and of course him owning himself so spectacularly by claiming that the moon is a giant spacecraft inhabited by aliens controlling us with mind rays, I've had PMs from people, two lots of PMs. One is sort of like, "Thank you for waking me up I didn't actually realize what I was doing, I just got caught in this stuff.
Well, yeah, you know, because, you know TV programs are called a program for a reason and you know, movies are the same thing, they are a program. They are a program that goes in your head and it will stay there, you know. The more interesting they make it, the more exciting they make it, the more it will fiddle with your mind. It will just, you know, mess around with you there and you want to hear words like matrix and blue pill, red pill, and you know the rabbit hole, and the spider's web and stuff like that. Because it makes for a good dungeons and dragons conversation. But, big kids get together and that's what they do, they're playing dungeons and dragons and they don't even realize it....
Do this: go and start telling your friends and all your families and your workmates and everyone that you meet, start telling them that you believe what David dIcke has said. You believe that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling us with mind rays
You discover that your wife has been having an affair behind your back and you say to her, "Why did you do it?" And she says, "I'm sorry baby but the aliens in the moon with the mind rays, they made me do it. It's not my fault." Are you gonna believe her? Are you?
I don't think you are, are you? But, you see, this is the problem. If you're prepared to accept that the moon is a giant spaceship full of aliens controlling you with mind rays then you're gonna have to accept that your wife or your girlfriend or your husband or whoever one day can turn around and say that to you..."