*ouch!* jesse ventura puts icke on the spot over evidence of reptilians, and accuses him of being a money grabber

Double for me.

Ventura is a moron who's been slammed on the mat one too many times.

Ventura for president?

Absolutely ridiculous.

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In what was not a surprising interview for anyone who has followed Jesse Ventura and his opinions about both the Democratic and Republican parties, our military industrial complex and what's wrong with our corporate media today, Piers Morgan allowed Ventura to air his grievances on all of the above this Monday evening on CNN.

While I do not agree with Ventura on all of his views by any means, it's hard to disagree with some of the points he made during this interview. Our political system has been corrupted by too much money on all sides. The two political parties have crowded out any chance for most in a third party to get elected. Our militarism and how we treat other countries would never be accepted if the tables were turned and other countries attempted to treat us the same way we do them. And our media is utterly broken and I agree completely with the point he made here:

MORGAN: How much do you think the media have to take responsibility for some of the way the political system has gone? You now have very partisan cable networks. FOX on the right, MSNBC on the left, CNN sort of squeezed somewhere in the middle.

When you see them getting more vociferous and partisan, does that matter? Is that good for political debate? Is it corrupting political debate? What do you think?

VENTURA: I think it's awful. It's terrible. You know, the news used to be to report facts and allow you to make the decision. All these shows are nothing but opinion moderators. They're hired guns to push an agenda. I think it's horrible.

When our forefathers created this country, the media was supposed to be the fourth branch of government, the unwritten branch. Their job was to keep track of what the other three were doing and report it to the American people so the American people could judge it accordingly. What you have now is nothing but a media with opinion and a media that I remember the death of Anna Nicole Smith. It was the headline for a month -- a month. And yet the meat and potatoes of running our country gets cast aside because why? The media today is not in to reporting the news, they're in to creating it, and that is very, very dangerous.

Because the light went on with "60 Minutes". They found out the news could make money. So the bean counters came in. Now the news is nothing but entertainment. It's done to get ratings.

Where in the old days of Walter Cronkite, the news took a loss and they accepted that and they made up for it in their entertainment division. Not today. Today, the news is expected to get ratings and expected to generate money and that is horrible.

MORGAN: So presumably you'll be boycotting FOX and MSNBC on your book tour, will you, Jesse?

VENTURA: I won't be boycotting them. They boycott me. I'd go on happily.

No, that's the truth, Piers. Neither of them will have me on. Neither of them.

MORGAN: Really?

VENTURA: -- will have me on. Nope, it's been that way for my last three books. None of the FOX nighttime people will have me on. None of the MSNBC nighttime people will have me on.

Now, FOX Business will put me on. I think they're another division. I'm not sure about that. But some of the business shows at FOX will have me on.

But no, FOX and MSNBC have banned me. I'm too controversial I guess.

You know who else wouldn't let me on? Don Imus. His producers and all them wanted me on but they wanted to know what five songs I wanted to have played. So I told them I wanted -- no, I told them I want Rage Against the Machine. Those are the songs I want.

From Tom Morello. He's a new Bob Dylan. He's a man who can play guitar like heck and Rage Against the Machine. Well, you know they banned them prior to the Iraq War and the buildup to it. None of Clear Channel stations would play anything. They censored Rage Against the Machine. So I guess so did Don Imus.

MORGAN: Well, Jesse, you are outrageous and controversial. You're difficult. You can be menacing. That's exactly why I like you as a guest.

I was glad to see Morgan allow Ventura to express his concerns over how our media treats reporting the news and conflating that with entertainment. And it's a rare occasion anyone points out that delivering actual news should be considered a public service if you're going to be allowed to have your license to broadcast even if it means a loss, rather than "news" divisions being turned into profit centers and by default when you do that, entertainment instead of news.

I don't expect it will change the fact that Morgan or his cohorts at CNN will continue to do daily exactly what Ventura was criticizing here, despite the fact that they actually allowed some criticism of their business model on the air.

morgan is a pompous twat. why the fuck do you americans tune into him?

:bravo:

Icke is a loon.

To me he seems like a guy who has his feet on the ground and a low tolerance for bullshit. Icke seems like a guy who thrives on bullshit.

iff you have ever listend to icke , he exposes the synogog of satan for what it is , he does make alot of sence ... sorry iff you .." dont get it " ...

stick to your steroided up asswipe .... the uk is where its at bitches , we own your arses

Like I said, if you deem Icke's messages as BS, then the best place for Ventura to start his ridicule is the religious establishment which has presumably been preaching BS for millennia. The America he strives to save is held together by this BS belief system. He was educated and trained in that same BS belief system. So why is he looking for cheap shots? Obama believes in god. shill believes in god. Where is god?

The interview has been edited to suit what Ventura wants to pass across and he also didn't inform Icke of his intentions right from scratch.

David dIcke deserves none of this. He came to discuss world affairs with Ventura and there are many levels you have to go through to reach this stage that there is something that could really be operating behind our visible light spectrum that controls society. You cant just start off teaching someone who is just getting to grasp with the political state of affairs about this kind of stuff and do it in 10 minutes?

Again, I refer to Woodrow Wilson's comments. A former president of the United States, talking about a power structure that exists somewhere. You think he is crazy too?

You must be a total moran if you don't believe that fourth dimentional invisible "reptilians" exist....

It's obvious that those fourth dimentional invisible assholes exist!

And it doesn't matter how you call them, "reptilians" or anything else....

But I'm not sure about the fact that they can "take human form" and "walk among us".

I think they can't do that... They would love to take the form of a three dimentional "physical" being like us, but they can't... And that's why they are LOSERS!!!

Seriously?

Ventura is a shill? I thought he was the real deal. Interesting.

I would love to see how Ventura would handle some hardcore religious nutcases.

Icke belongs in the same pit. Icke deserves every bit of bluntness Ventura showed, he claims to be unraveling a global conspiracy and makes some outrageous claims about real people - basically he acts like a massive dick while pretending to be some sort of a savior.

As to Wilson's comments, I don't know the man, I don't know what power structure he was referring to and I don't particularly see the point in using a vague quote like that to reinforce your point about Icke and reptilians.

icke gets really upset:

icke gets really upset:

Like I said, if you deem Icke's messages as BS, then the best place for Ventura to start his ridicule is the religious establishment which has presumably been preaching BS for millennia. The America he strives to save is held together by this BS belief system. He was educated and trained in that same BS belief system. So why is he looking for cheap shots? Obama believes in god. tards believes in god. Where is god?

The interview has been edited to suit what Ventura wants to pass across and he also didn't inform Icke of his intentions right from scratch.

David dIcke deserves none of this. He came to discuss world affairs with Ventura and there are many levels you have to go through to reach this stage that there is something that could really be operating behind our visible light spectrum that controls society. You cant just start off teaching someone who is just getting to grasp with the political state of affairs about this kind of stuff and do it in 10 minutes?

Again, I refer to Woodrow Wilson's comments. A former president of the United States, talking about a power structure that exists somewhere. You think he is crazy too?

Icke would run circles around Ventura.

It's literally like a bratty teenager going up against a life ling, seasoned historian who DEFINITELY knows his shit.

It's funny watching all these knee jerk mental midgets in this thread attacking Icke over the whole reptilian thing (which there are mountains of evidence to support) when that is a VERY small part of what David talks about overall.

Idiots.

He was right about the elite paedo ring

Ok, David got totally cornered by Ventura and that's what happens when you claim for over two decades about the existence of something extremely controversial and don't provide physical evidence of it, BUT and that's a big "BUT", Ventura sounds like a government shill trying to discredit the SUBJECT, no the messenger.

He wants so bad see reptilians? What about he go knock on the gates of Groom Lake, Dulce or any other secret military underground facility in America?

Not so though and not so truther huh??

No, you are the idiot for saying there is
"mountains of evidence" for reptilian shape-shifters.
Moreover there is nothing special or particularly
noteworthy about any of his other knowledge, where
there are experts who know far more. Icke is a
former tv announcer. He knows communications.
Plus, he's British, so automatically he "sounds"
smarter, by default. If you want to listen to someone
smart, try Alan Watt.

Ok, David got totally cornered by Ventura and that's what happens when you claim for over two decades about the existence of something extremely controversial and don't provide physical evidence of it, BUT and that's a big "BUT", Ventura sounds like a government shill trying to discredit the SUBJECT, no the messenger.

He wants so bad see reptilians? What about he go knock on the gates of Groom Lake, Dulce or any other secret military underground facility in America?

Not so though and not so truther huh??