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Most in US won't be able to escape 'fiscal cliff' Congressional Buget Office Report!

 
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Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion.

Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy.

"There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo.

Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too.

The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year.

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 Quoting: Goneviral


This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest.
The tax hike and layoffs are much needed.
Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1040255


So the middle class is rich now??
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Reminds me of that old book "Animal Farm"

If you aren't destitute, or making $7/hr, you are rich and deserve to be brought down to the same level

We have got from a country where people aspired to do better, to one where people have no hope for themselves and all they aspire is to bring down anyone they see doing a little better

They can't touch the true rich, those with hundreds of millions of millions or billions

When you read the history of the Soviet Union, the envy was focused on richer farmers in the Ukraine or doctors, who for some reason are always the target for socialists and marxists for special punishment

The politics of envy...groovy, I guess this is progress
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I wish they would allow the US to fall off that fiscal cliff.

It isn't as bad as you've been led to believe.

It will bring automatic MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending, while leaving entitlements alone.

If we go off that cliff it will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt the people.

Postponing it while coming up with more ways to destroy the people and this country is a good idea?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18110742


WTF???

The entitlement crowd needs to suck it up along with everybody else.

Why should they sick back, fat & dumb, while everybody else has to suffer?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


leaving entitlements alone?

LMFAO!!!

okay sparky, if you really think that, let's sit down again in 6 months and go over the map, k?

just as long as it doesn't mess with your little corner of the world, you're ok with this? Do you realize that your "MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending" are PEOPLE

People who work for the government, people who work for the military, people who work for government and military suppliers and the entire chain all he way back to your home state

Government employment has been one of the ONLY bright spots in national employment figures outside of Texas (which has created over 50% of private sector jobs)

Those people will stop spending and start trying to join you on the entitlement wagon...all while they stop paying taxes to help support the system

and what happens then?

You think entitlements are safe?

You must have no clue of how these get funded, how deep in the red most entitlement programs already are, and what little it would take knock down the house of cards
 Quoting: IssueX


I know fully well how they are funded, have never been on welfare & despise entitlements (to be distinguished from programs people buy into).

Where do you get the idea that I support entitlements? Read my post again.

You are clearly a noob here & attacking someone who might otherwise defend you when you become the liberal shill target of the day.

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well no one madeu take that great paying job did they? so please do someone a favor and you and your husband leave your great paying jobs and your well to do life and let someone who doesnt mind paying higher taxes to make what your making and the well to do life. so please go be a bottom feeder and then see through someone elses eyes that maybe they all arent there on purpose and would love to pay alittle more in taxed to live your "well to do" life..
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Bottom line people. Get out of debt as much as possible. Go back to using cash and avoid credit cards and using debit cards. Avoid banks as much as you can. Only buy what you need and can afford to pay cash for, not what you 'want'.

Learn to enjoy the simpler things in life and learn to be more self-sufficient.

Period.
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If your so unhappy with the thought of tax rates increasing a meager few percentage points then I am glad you didnt live in the country and pay taxes in the 40s 50s and 60s. This must of been communist russia then but my history books dont say this?
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I wish they would allow the US to fall off that fiscal cliff.

It isn't as bad as you've been led to believe.

It will bring automatic MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending, while leaving entitlements alone.

If we go off that cliff it will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt the people.

Postponing it while coming up with more ways to destroy the people and this country is a good idea?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18110742


WTF???

The entitlement crowd needs to suck it up along with everybody else.

Why should they sick back, fat & dumb, while everybody else has to suffer?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


leaving entitlements alone?

LMFAO!!!

okay sparky, if you really think that, let's sit down again in 6 months and go over the map, k?

just as long as it doesn't mess with your little corner of the world, you're ok with this? Do you realize that your "MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending" are PEOPLE

People who work for the government, people who work for the military, people who work for government and military suppliers and the entire chain all he way back to your home state

Government employment has been one of the ONLY bright spots in national employment figures outside of Texas (which has created over 50% of private sector jobs)

Those people will stop spending and start trying to join you on the entitlement wagon...all while they stop paying taxes to help support the system

and what happens then?

You think entitlements are safe?

You must have no clue of how these get funded, how deep in the red most entitlement programs already are, and what little it would take knock down the house of cards
 Quoting: IssueX


I can answer all of that simply...

A smaller government, cut to a minimum is beneficial to the people period.

In what world where so many people are employed by the government can a people prosper?

Government isn't the solution, it is the problem.

Either way is painful, but cutting government spending massively and restoring fiscal responsibility will have the most benefit (long term) for all of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18110742


I do not disagree at all that smaller government is the goal

however, to think that smaller government and cuts in spending will somehow leave entitlements intact is naive

Cuts are going to come...all the way around. They will come because the current level of spending and debt is unsustainable, and the can has been kicked beyond any road that was left

However, look at europe. Austerity (i.e. cuts) will hurt, and hurt massively.

The US was allowed a small recovery bounce, but the next leg down could be more painful than 2008

The chain reaction I outline will occur...whether people agree with the cuts or not is a matter of debate...but with reduced tax revenue WILL come sharp cuts in entitlements, and that is when the shit will get real for millions of people

Those who voted for Obama thinking they were voting for the status quo are, I believe, soon to get a painful wakeup call
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If your so unhappy with the thought of tax rates increasing a meager few percentage points then I am glad you didnt live in the country and pay taxes in the 40s 50s and 60s. This must of been communist russia then but my history books dont say this?
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fuck you and your marxist talking points

I've run into about 200 people like you in the past four years, and every one has been a 20 something idealogue moron living off someone else, whether a girlfriend, a parent or the goverment
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I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy.


If this is what they wanted and why?


Are they truly happy now?

I know they will blame this on Bush still.

Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent.


Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush.


I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes.

I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive.


I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month.



I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month.

In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs.
People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity.

Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates.


I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company.

I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not.

I wish them all luck.
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The numbers will worsen. America has shipped most of its manufacturing offshore. It is a chump change service economy trying to be a big dog. The only way it can go is down. No wealth creation. We sell some food, coal and movies. Do the math folks. If you refuse to buy unless it is made here, that is your only hope out.
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1963 2,933,067 and above tax rate 91%...... but the 60s were a good time to be alive wasnt it? oh no again it must of been russia
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u r a buttfuck moron if you think romneyt be any different.its the bankers who run it all dipshit retard fuckbrains.
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well no one madeu take that great paying job did they? so please do someone a favor and you and your husband leave your great paying jobs and your well to do life and let someone who doesnt mind paying higher taxes to make what your making and the well to do life. so please go be a bottom feeder and then see through someone elses eyes that maybe they all arent there on purpose and would love to pay alittle more in taxed to live your "well to do" life..
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Someone like yourself??

If that's what you are thinking, my suggestion would be to take English 101.
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tax the top make them invest in there employees and companies and if you outsource then pay a nice heafty tarriff to bring it back into this country. If you want to have your business and china by all means do but make sure you pick up and move there too... you want the US to buy the shit then make it here or be prepared to pay for it when it comes back across our ports.
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well no one madeu take that great paying job did they? so please do someone a favor and you and your husband leave your great paying jobs and your well to do life and let someone who doesnt mind paying higher taxes to make what your making and the well to do life. so please go be a bottom feeder and then see through someone elses eyes that maybe they all arent there on purpose and would love to pay alittle more in taxed to live your "well to do" life..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559967


lmfao

my "well to do" life is working for myself about 20 hours a day, 6-7 days a week

how dare I want to keep something for myself, right?

Oh I forgot, I didn't build this business...someone else must have given me this cushy job I've been bulding since 1994

again, see stock marxist talking points, so lame at this point, they have no validity

the same crap people used in Soviet Russia in 1917 and every place else they have tried to justify stealing people's money, labor and livelihoods

many rich people I know have moved their businesses out of the country years ago, the minute they saw the writing on the wall...

the europeans I know were the first to see it coming, including several germans I know who grew up with parents who survived the 30s and 40s in Germany

All the envious ones will do at this point is be able to squeeze the "rich" middle class, the poor saps earning $250K in cities like NY or SF where it buys them the lifestyle of someone earning $70K in Texas

You, like most of the marxist shills on these sites, obviously failed at reason and math, otherwise you'd see that "just a few percentage points" of ANYTHING is usually the difference between success and failure, a successful rocket launch or an explosion, a building which stands for decades or collapses whilst being built

those "measly few percentage points" could trigger the difference between an economy limping along on life support, and the start of a new depression...

you have no idea what you're talking about, or that individuals and small businesses have been hanging on with the slimmest of margins...your little putsch and desire for just a little more of someone else's money could well be the straw which breaks the camel's back

lets talk again in a year and see where we are

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I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy.


If this is what they wanted and why?


Are they truly happy now?

I know they will blame this on Bush still.

Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent.


Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush.


I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes.

I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive.


I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month.



I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month.

In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs.
People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity.

Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates.


I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company.

I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not.

I wish them all luck.
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Horse shit on the electrical rates in PA- They are going down. My god, people rely on wood, gas, coal and solar to heat their homes. People would rather buy another heating source than pay those rates. I do not know where the hell you get your stats but you are an electric shill
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1963 2,933,067 and above tax rate 91%...... but the 60s were a good time to be alive wasnt it? oh no again it must of been russia
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I don't think Rockefeller ever paid more than 10%. The 91% is a glass ceiling for wage slaves.
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tax the top make them invest in there employees and companies and if you outsource then pay a nice heafty tarriff to bring it back into this country. If you want to have your business and china by all means do but make sure you pick up and move there too... you want the US to buy the shit then make it here or be prepared to pay for it when it comes back across our ports.
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My God are you ignorant...
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I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy.


If this is what they wanted and why?


Are they truly happy now?

I know they will blame this on Bush still.

Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent.


Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush.


I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes.

I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive.


I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month.



I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month.

In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs.
People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity.

Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates.


I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company.

I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not.

I wish them all luck.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Horse shit on the electrical rates in PA- They are going down. My god, people rely on wood, gas, coal and solar to heat their homes. People would rather buy another heating source than pay those rates. I do not know where the hell you get your stats but you are an electric shill
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try all that shit in an apartment house where most of us live. You rely on gas or electric - period.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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There is no point warning these liberal fuckers. They are angry, hostile and unAmerican. You can't reason with that kind of stupid, ignorant jackasses.

Just let them get what they voted for because these sick bastards are going to have to learn the hard way. If you have the money to leave this country, do it.
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There is no point warning these liberal fuckers. They are angry, hostile and unAmerican. You can't reason with that kind of stupid, ignorant jackasses.

Just let them get what they voted for because these sick bastards are going to have to learn the hard way. If you have the money to leave this country, do it.
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Wish I did. A couple of long shots left then it is scramble.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Aww! the fiscal cliff why the F*ck are we just hearing about this sh!t now?!! It would have been a nice conversation to have had during the election. Instead the media was overly focused on Mr. Romney's wallet and big bird to discuss any pertinent issues like say a complete f*cking economic meltdown. Welp...this was an enlightening article to say the least. WTF!! is going on people??!!! What are the odds that our extremely partisan government will actually come to the table on this one?
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Those in office won't do anything that would jeopardize them from getting re-elected. To top that off the majority of Americans would rather stick their head in the sand and ignore the problems hoping that they would go away than to face them!
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Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what.
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The "Rich" middle class, that's funny.
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I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy.


If this is what they wanted and why?


Are they truly happy now?

I know they will blame this on Bush still.

Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent.


Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush.


I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes.

I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive.


I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month.



I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month.

In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs.
People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity.

Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates.


I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company.

I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not.

I wish them all luck.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Horse shit on the electrical rates in PA- They are going down. My god, people rely on wood, gas, coal and solar to heat their homes. People would rather buy another heating source than pay those rates. I do not know where the hell you get your stats but you are an electric shill
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Wow are you stupid.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]

It's not 2015 yet is it?

It will be soon. You rate will go up 150% you fucking idiot.


Here is a liberal site too ...

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


I want to lick the tears off your face when the time comes..


Oh here is a foreign bank and what they forecast...

[link to www.instituteforenergyresearch.org]

You can download the PDF and look at the bottom page 4

You need to start reading at the top of page 3.

You don't think your rates will go up?

LMFAO at u buddy.

Dumbshits are called dumbshits because until something actually happens they don't believe it.

And you better fucking believe this and prepare.
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tax the top make them invest in there employees and companies and if you outsource then pay a nice heafty tarriff to bring it back into this country. If you want to have your business and china by all means do but make sure you pick up and move there too... you want the US to buy the shit then make it here or be prepared to pay for it when it comes back across our ports.
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My God are you ignorant...
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Hell yeah, start putting up tariffs, it's the only way to prevent the last of American manufacturing closing up shop to move to a lower wage/regulatory country.

Tariffs equal to the wage difference and the regulatory burden, then add 10% for the right to sell your shit to American consumers.

Suddenly that plastic piece of shit at Wal-Mart will be much more expensive, and American made goods will be cheap by comparison. The money circulates in our economy and real wage growth/economic growth/ prosperity will return.

But whatever, I guess calling someone ignorant is a better response.

Fucking shill.
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Obama is going to make damn sure we go off of the fiscal cliff too, I've never been more sure than I am right now that this has all been planned...
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While your logic is reasonable, I have to take the counterpoint to argument. I believe this is all theatre d' absurd. It's a sideshow.

Ole Bammy will step in, 'save us', and the partisans will rally. Then Palpatine, uhmmm, I mean, Obama has complete power. He'll be seen as an economic messiah to people with no commonsense math skills.
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tax the top make them invest in there employees and companies and if you outsource then pay a nice heafty tarriff to bring it back into this country. If you want to have your business and china by all means do but make sure you pick up and move there too... you want the US to buy the shit then make it here or be prepared to pay for it when it comes back across our ports.
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My God are you ignorant...
 Quoting: littlemiracles


Hell yeah, start putting up tariffs, it's the only way to prevent the last of American manufacturing closing up shop to move to a lower wage/regulatory country.

Tariffs equal to the wage difference and the regulatory burden, then add 10% for the right to sell your shit to American consumers.

Suddenly that plastic piece of shit at Wal-Mart will be much more expensive, and American made goods will be cheap by comparison. The money circulates in our economy and real wage growth/economic growth/ prosperity will return.

But whatever, I guess calling someone ignorant is a better response.

Fucking shill.
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I was addressing the fact that the post was such a butcher of the language it was almost indecipherable....just like the ACs previous posts. Personally I can't take a poster's reasoning seriously if I have to read it ten times over...
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Our Declaration of Independence and says the following:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.

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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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11/13/2012 01:48 PM
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Little Miracles... I may be "ignorant" as you like to say but you my dear are arrogant. Much like yourself, I can not stand to read through your arrogant rants.
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11/13/2012 01:52 PM
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Another point to make Little Miracles. .......... This is not acceptable grammer either. ;) ................... Elitist, arrogant, pompous ass!
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Another point to make Little Miracles. .......... This is not acceptable grammer either. ;) ................... Elitist, arrogant, pompous ass!
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Well, if you subscribe to labeling people arrogant because they feel you should be able to speak the language coherently....then I accept your label with pridehf
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11/13/2012 02:05 PM
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I am sure you "accept" plenty of other things with "pride"! lmfao oh i forgot your ..................

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