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FatalW1shes User ID: 1357677 United States 11/13/2012 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy. If this is what they wanted and why? Are they truly happy now? I know they will blame this on Bush still. Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent. Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush. I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes. I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive. I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month. I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month. In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs. People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity. Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates. I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company. I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not. I wish them all luck. Last Edited by FatalW1shes on 11/13/2012 09:36 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1040255 United States 11/13/2012 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest. The tax hike and layoffs are much needed. Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what. |
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TraderRob User ID: 3560801 United States 11/13/2012 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately, we ALL OWN THIS... and we are in big trouble. We all pound on Obama, Bush before that... about deficits and out-of-control spending. This report shows that there is no option. Our economic system is so out of whack, that we cannot reduce spending, or increase taxes -- without having a major negative impact to our economy. In short.. we are fckd. Have a nice day = GFY. GFY = Go Fuck Yourself. If this offends you then have a nice day. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18110742 United States 11/13/2012 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wish they would allow the US to fall off that fiscal cliff. It isn't as bad as you've been led to believe. It will bring automatic MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending, while leaving entitlements alone. If we go off that cliff it will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt the people. Postponing it while coming up with more ways to destroy the people and this country is a good idea? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 11/13/2012 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy. Quoting: FatalW1shes If this is what they wanted and why? Are they truly happy now? I know they will blame this on Bush still. Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent. Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush. I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes. I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive. I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month. I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month. In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs. People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity. Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates. I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company. I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not. I wish them all luck. Hats off to you... for most.... for your post and posts which are always appreciated by me!! All my best to you and yours.... |
BlackDahlia User ID: 24418900 United States 11/13/2012 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aww! the fiscal cliff why the F*ck are we just hearing about this sh!t now?!! It would have been a nice conversation to have had during the election. Instead the media was overly focused on Mr. Romney's wallet and big bird to discuss any pertinent issues like say a complete f*cking economic meltdown. Welp...this was an enlightening article to say the least. WTF!! is going on people??!!! What are the odds that our extremely partisan government will actually come to the table on this one? |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 1310687 United States 11/13/2012 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest. The tax hike and layoffs are much needed. Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what. So the middle class is rich now?? Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Saddletramp User ID: 739427 Puerto Rico 11/13/2012 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama is going to make damn sure we go off of the fiscal cliff too, I've never been more sure than I am right now that this has all been planned... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 1320111 Netherlands 11/13/2012 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wish they would allow the US to fall off that fiscal cliff. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18110742 It isn't as bad as you've been led to believe. It will bring automatic MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending, while leaving entitlements alone. If we go off that cliff it will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt the people. Postponing it while coming up with more ways to destroy the people and this country is a good idea? WTF??? The entitlement crowd needs to suck it up along with everybody else. Why should they sick back, fat & dumb, while everybody else has to suffer? Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
thinkingoutsidetherhombus User ID: 2938296 United States 11/13/2012 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aww! the fiscal cliff why the F*ck are we just hearing about this sh!t now?!! It would have been a nice conversation to have had during the election. Instead the media was overly focused on Mr. Romney's wallet and big bird to discuss any pertinent issues like say a complete f*cking economic meltdown. Welp...this was an enlightening article to say the least. WTF!! is going on people??!!! What are the odds that our extremely partisan government will actually come to the table on this one? Quoting: BlackDahlia I can count on one hand the times I heard the fiscal cliff mentioned by anyone during the election. Now that the election is over it's all of a sudden a looming crisis. The yahoos in Congress will not be able to fix anything. The time for a change of course is long past. I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18110742 United States 11/13/2012 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama is going to make damn sure we go off of the fiscal cliff too, I've never been more sure than I am right now that this has all been planned... Quoting: Saddletramp Obama doesn't want it, on the contrary, it would cut spending massively... There are many automatic cuts and revenue adjustments if we go off of that cliff. It would hurt them far more than it would hurt the people. Neither the republicans or democrats want this to happen. That should tell you a lot. They will use it until the past minute as a political ploy and to blame each side for it.. In the end they always pass a temporary fix. :P Can you explain why going off that cliff is really a bad thing? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20889314 Canada 11/13/2012 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest. The tax hike and layoffs are much needed. Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what. You are right to a degree. The government at all levels is way too heavy. Tax payers could do with a lot less government employees and the US as a whole could do with a lot fewer government agencies. Americans have also enjoyed some of the lowest taxes globally for many decades and in part, this has contributed to the problem as the politicians just keep going further into debt by borrowing so they do not have to raise taxes and piss people off. Americans have been having the cake and eating it too so to speak, for a long time and politicians did what they had to in order to keep people happy and ensure their re-election. Then you factor in the incredible burden of funding the US military in all its facets and variations. At some point you have to pay the piper. The US war machine does not appear to be in any danger, even though the US could probably do with about a 100 less bases overseas, etc. As is being seen elsewhere, there is no way out of this financial nightmare without pain of some sort. The politicians however do not want it to happen on their watch and keep trying to shuffle it into the future so it will be someone else's problem. |
IssueX User ID: 14348632 United States 11/13/2012 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest. The tax hike and layoffs are much needed. Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what. So the middle class is rich now?? Reminds me of that old book "Animal Farm" If you aren't destitute, or making $7/hr, you are rich and deserve to be brought down to the same level We have got from a country where people aspired to do better, to one where people have no hope for themselves and all they aspire is to bring down anyone they see doing a little better They can't touch the true rich, those with hundreds of millions of millions or billions When you read the history of the Soviet Union, the envy was focused on richer farmers in the Ukraine or doctors, who for some reason are always the target for socialists and marxists for special punishment The politics of envy...groovy, I guess this is progress |
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IssueX User ID: 14348632 United States 11/13/2012 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wish they would allow the US to fall off that fiscal cliff. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18110742 It isn't as bad as you've been led to believe. It will bring automatic MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending, while leaving entitlements alone. If we go off that cliff it will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt the people. Postponing it while coming up with more ways to destroy the people and this country is a good idea? WTF??? The entitlement crowd needs to suck it up along with everybody else. Why should they sick back, fat & dumb, while everybody else has to suffer? leaving entitlements alone? LMFAO!!! okay sparky, if you really think that, let's sit down again in 6 months and go over the map, k? just as long as it doesn't mess with your little corner of the world, you're ok with this? Do you realize that your "MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending" are PEOPLE People who work for the government, people who work for the military, people who work for government and military suppliers and the entire chain all he way back to your home state Government employment has been one of the ONLY bright spots in national employment figures outside of Texas (which has created over 50% of private sector jobs) Those people will stop spending and start trying to join you on the entitlement wagon...all while they stop paying taxes to help support the system and what happens then? You think entitlements are safe? You must have no clue of how these get funded, how deep in the red most entitlement programs already are, and what little it would take knock down the house of cards |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9870801 United States 11/13/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this dumb ass so called president says he wants to tax "the rich" and that means my taxes go up on on a 64 year old widow that's working two jobs? WHAT THE HELL? I'M ONE OF THE RICH? He's totally nazis and people believe the "tax the rich bullcrap" that he spews! I hope you dumb asses that "voted" him in lose your dumb "social" security...by social I have to pay. What bullcrap!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18110742 United States 11/13/2012 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wish they would allow the US to fall off that fiscal cliff. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18110742 It isn't as bad as you've been led to believe. It will bring automatic MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending, while leaving entitlements alone. If we go off that cliff it will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt the people. Postponing it while coming up with more ways to destroy the people and this country is a good idea? WTF??? The entitlement crowd needs to suck it up along with everybody else. Why should they sick back, fat & dumb, while everybody else has to suffer? leaving entitlements alone? LMFAO!!! okay sparky, if you really think that, let's sit down again in 6 months and go over the map, k? just as long as it doesn't mess with your little corner of the world, you're ok with this? Do you realize that your "MASSIVE cuts to military and government spending" are PEOPLE People who work for the government, people who work for the military, people who work for government and military suppliers and the entire chain all he way back to your home state Government employment has been one of the ONLY bright spots in national employment figures outside of Texas (which has created over 50% of private sector jobs) Those people will stop spending and start trying to join you on the entitlement wagon...all while they stop paying taxes to help support the system and what happens then? You think entitlements are safe? You must have no clue of how these get funded, how deep in the red most entitlement programs already are, and what little it would take knock down the house of cards I can answer all of that simply... A smaller government, cut to a minimum is beneficial to the people period. In what world where so many people are employed by the government can a people prosper? Government isn't the solution, it is the problem. Either way is painful, but cutting government spending massively and restoring fiscal responsibility will have the most benefit (long term) for all of us. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18414398 United States 11/13/2012 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] Just more ridiculous fear mongering to soften your dumb asses up for the coming massive tax hikes to save the Bankers that caused this. silly little sheeples |
General Troll, US Shillitary User ID: 1307432 United States 11/13/2012 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately, we ALL OWN THIS... and we are in big trouble. We all pound on Obama, Bush before that... about deficits and out-of-control spending. This report shows that there is no option. Our economic system is so out of whack, that we cannot reduce spending, or increase taxes -- without having a major negative impact to our economy. In short.. we are fckd. "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
littlemiracles User ID: 8637765 United States 11/13/2012 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to seriously ask 1 Obama supporter/voter after they get their check in 2013 if they are now happy. Quoting: FatalW1shes If this is what they wanted and why? Are they truly happy now? I know they will blame this on Bush still. Because of what Bush did, Obama had to raise taxes on all of use to pay for what Bush spent. Let's totally ignore the 6 trillion in debt Obama wracked up. No....he wracked up that debt saving us from Bush. I can hardly wait. I posted a while ago that I have sold my boat and motorcycle to prepare for higher taxes. I've refinanced my home, cut back on cable, switched my home phone from ATT to OOma and bought a smaller cheaper truck to drive. I switched power companies and locked in a lower rate and scaled back disctretionary spending (going out to eat, movies, entertainment) and all told freed up over 600.00 a month. I'm planning on a 3500 a year increase in 2013. That equates to 291.00 a month. In 2014 I expect to lose another 4% of my pay to Obamacare taxes and other taxes....by 2015 many people will be suffering from an increase 150%-300% in electricty costs. People in Ohio will/must come up with 1000.00 a month. Around 500 a month in new taxes and 500 a month in electricity. Virgina, PA, and surrounding states will need 250 extra a month for electric rates. I'm not too sure how much it will effect me in Texas since I switched to a green company. I'm prepared for the coming Taxmeggedon but I know 90% of the people out there are not. I wish them all luck. Good job! We are working on our own "austerity" program too....and it SUCKS! We shouldn't have to....grrrrrrrrrr |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1559967 United States 11/13/2012 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to taxfoundation.org] this link is for all the "rich" who complain there taxes are to high at this moment. When in all reality they are at a historical low. Read for yourself the nominal and adjusted for inflation rates. |
No Dhimmi User ID: 109891 United States 11/13/2012 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the hell is this government doing this for during an ecnomic downturn with the "cliff" on the horizon? IDIOTS! [link to www.npr.org] ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1559967 United States 11/13/2012 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you read that charting of the tax rates you will see that up until the 80s taxes were always high. Also you will remember that up until the 80s ceos were not taking home multimillion dollar salaries. What would be the point? To just give it back to uncle sam. No so instead pay your employees better and invest in your company. Now its greed to the top. Trickle down economics my ass. It worked in the late 80s because it was reduced so quickly it was money for everyone but after realization that the tax cuts were here to stay, the money stayed in the richs pockets. The 90s and since have produced major greed and riches... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1559967 United States 11/13/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The "middle class" tax rates have been historically static based on a percentage rate. Only the "rich" have had there taxes reduced greatly. Where has that gotten the middle class? Reduced more and more while the rich widdle away more and more money to feed the greed for the most possessions. |
nzreva User ID: 19624091 United States 11/13/2012 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest. The tax hike and layoffs are much needed. Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what. The what is, I am not, nor are other well to do people going to work very hard next year or in the future. I an my husband will enjoy what we have made in the past and not go with the new idea's of others who plan on spending our profit for themselves. I'm not mad the people have spoken, the money won't be there and we will go the way Russia went until those who want to live off others run out of money and find out the system won't be there for them. |
Manu-Koelbren User ID: 27210074 Spain 11/13/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up to 3.4 million jobs would be lost, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. The unemployment rate would reach 9.1 percent from the current 7.9 percent. Stocks could plunge. The nonpartisan CBO estimates the total cost of the cliff in 2013 at $671 billion. Quoting: Goneviral Collectively, the tax increases would be the steepest to hit Americans in 60 years when measured as a percentage of the economy. "There would be a huge shock effect to the U.S. economy," says Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. Most of the damage — roughly two-thirds — would come from the tax increases. But the spending cuts would cause pain, too. The bleak scenario could push the White House and Congress to reach a deal before year's end. On Tuesday, Congress returns for a post-election session that could last through Dec. 31. At a minimum, analysts say some temporary compromise might be reached, allowing a final deal to be cut early next year. [link to news.yahoo.com] This is total bull. The fiscal cliff is the 17 trillion debt with a 595 million dollar a day interest. The tax hike and layoffs are much needed. Sure the rich middle class will have to spend less on luxury items, so what. The lay offs will have to find another job off the taxpayer payroll, so what. So the middle class is rich now?? Reminds me of that old book "Animal Farm" If you aren't destitute, or making $7/hr, you are rich and deserve to be brought down to the same level We have got from a country where people aspired to do better, to one where people have no hope for themselves and all they aspire is to bring down anyone they see doing a little better They can't touch the true rich, those with hundreds of millions of millions or billions When you read the history of the Soviet Union, the envy was focused on richer farmers in the Ukraine or doctors, who for some reason are always the target for socialists and marxists for special punishment The politics of envy...groovy, I guess this is progress Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |