| Users Online Now: 1,406 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 267,550 | |
| Pageviews Today: 436,087 | Threads Today: 213 | Posts Today: 3,042 |
| 04:38 AM | ||
| Users Online Now: 1,406 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 267,550 | |
| Pageviews Today: 436,087 | Threads Today: 213 | Posts Today: 3,042 |
| 04:38 AM | ||
grand bargain???!!!!! WTF who's getting this "bargain" | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23527948  United States11/13/2012 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Oyster User ID: 18401048 United States11/13/2012 01:35 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Uncle Al User ID: 27676811 United States11/13/2012 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Sleeping Giant Haste The Day User ID: 543618 United States11/13/2012 01:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." ~C.S. Lewis "And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight, The clouds be rolled back as a scroll; The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend, Even so, it is well with my soul." Thread: 37 Survival Downloads and Handbooks – Pioneering, SHTF, Engineering, Urban Gardening, Defense, and More |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27656945 United States11/13/2012 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Oyster User ID: 18401048 United States11/13/2012 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Cybermerc User ID: 25160449 United States11/13/2012 01:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Last Edited by Cybermerc on 11/13/2012 01:38 PM "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19700749 United States11/13/2012 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23367695  Canada11/13/2012 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27676811 United States11/13/2012 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27392237 United States11/13/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27671404 United States11/13/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| No Dhimmi User ID: 109891 United States11/13/2012 01:47 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the YT post: "First of all, let's establish that no one in Washington actually cares about balancing the budget. If they did, they would love this so-called Fiscal Cliff. It raises taxes and cuts spending, so it would massively reduce the deficit. Isn't that what all of Washington has been pretending to care about all of this time? Second, understand that this so-called compromise they are talking about in order to avoid this supposed calamity is a trick. In fact, it'll be the greatest robbery in American history. Think about it -- they say they are worried about all those tax increases and spending cuts. But that's not true. The Grand Bargain would dramatically increase spending cuts, not alleviate them. So, in fact, the only thing they care about is paying less taxes, as always."* Cenk Uygur explains why Obama's grand bargain isn't a bargain at all, leaving one side (the middle class, veterans) without much benefit and another (big corporations, defense contractors) rolling in tax cuts. *Read more of the article, written by Cenk Uygur, on Huffington Post: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] Proud Infidel !!! The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape. If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts. Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'" In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." ~ Founding Father, George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment. [link to www.faithfreedom.org] [link to thereligionofpeace.com] [link to prophetofdoom.net] [link to www.bibleprobe.com] [link to www.fatherzakaria.net] Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate. |
| Deej User ID: 1272315 United States11/13/2012 01:48 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27669732 United States11/13/2012 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| candycrappingunicorn User ID: 701098 United States11/13/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the YT post: Quoting: No Dhimmi "First of all, let's establish that no one in Washington actually cares about balancing the budget. If they did, they would love this so-called Fiscal Cliff. It raises taxes and cuts spending, so it would massively reduce the deficit. Isn't that what all of Washington has been pretending to care about all of this time? Second, understand that this so-called compromise they are talking about in order to avoid this supposed calamity is a trick. In fact, it'll be the greatest robbery in American history. Think about it -- they say they are worried about all those tax increases and spending cuts. But that's not true. The Grand Bargain would dramatically increase spending cuts, not alleviate them. So, in fact, the only thing they care about is paying less taxes, as always."* Cenk Uygur explains why Obama's grand bargain isn't a bargain at all, leaving one side (the middle class, veterans) without much benefit and another (big corporations, defense contractors) rolling in tax cuts. *Read more of the article, written by Cenk Uygur, on Huffington Post: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] The reason they "don't care" is because at this point it is mathematically fucking impossible to ever "balance" this budget. Read that again. Both sides know it, and that's part of the scam. I have had 9 quarters of collegiate-level mathematics including calculus, diff eq, linear algebra and engineering statistics, plus I work in financial services. Compound interest is the 8th wonder of the world. The current debt/deficit has reached the point where additional interest accumulation has gone parabolic, and there is no way to ever pay it off. EVER. Both sides know it, which is why 1) interest rates have been kept artificially low, and 2) Obammy keeps on spending. It doesn't matter. The US govt is the family making $25k a year with $100k in credit card debt, only the family can't print any more money so it goes BK. US on the other hand, will just keep printing until the train hits the wall. At some point, the US dollar will become worthless (and will no longer be the world's reserve currency), because that's just the way it goes. There is no stopping it. It is a freight train going 120 mph, and a few miles ahead there is no more track. Last Edited by candycrappingunicorn on 11/13/2012 02:02 PM "Life is hard. It's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne I miss John Wayne's America. He must be rolling over in his grave. |
| Sleeping Giant Haste The Day User ID: 543618 United States11/13/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's just you. Boehner is much more orange.  "You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." ~C.S. Lewis "And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight, The clouds be rolled back as a scroll; The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend, Even so, it is well with my soul." Thread: 37 Survival Downloads and Handbooks – Pioneering, SHTF, Engineering, Urban Gardening, Defense, and More |
| Epic Beard Guy Constitutional Crusader User ID: 26240425 United States11/13/2012 02:08 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can just hear Oblabla "Lean forward, we're not done yet!" We'll all need ass-hole surgery when this pack of liars is done with us. Elected by fraud, lead with lies. Rah, rah, go King Barry. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
| N3m3s1s User ID: 1217160 United States11/13/2012 02:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the YT post: Quoting: No Dhimmi "First of all, let's establish that no one in Washington actually cares about balancing the budget. If they did, they would love this so-called Fiscal Cliff. It raises taxes and cuts spending, so it would massively reduce the deficit. Isn't that what all of Washington has been pretending to care about all of this time? Second, understand that this so-called compromise they are talking about in order to avoid this supposed calamity is a trick. In fact, it'll be the greatest robbery in American history. Think about it -- they say they are worried about all those tax increases and spending cuts. But that's not true. The Grand Bargain would dramatically increase spending cuts, not alleviate them. So, in fact, the only thing they care about is paying less taxes, as always."* Cenk Uygur explains why Obama's grand bargain isn't a bargain at all, leaving one side (the middle class, veterans) without much benefit and another (big corporations, defense contractors) rolling in tax cuts. *Read more of the article, written by Cenk Uygur, on Huffington Post: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This^ The reason they "don't care" is because at this point it is mathematically fucking impossible to ever "balance" this budget. Read that again. Both sides know it, and that's part of the scam. I have had 9 quarters of collegiate-level mathematics including calculus, diff eq, linear algebra and engineering statistics, plus I work in financial services. Compound interest is the 8th wonder of the world. The current debt/deficit has reached the point where additional interest accumulation has gone parabolic, and there is no way to ever pay it off. EVER. Both sides know it, which is why 1) interest rates have been kept artificially low, and 2) Obammy keeps on spending. It doesn't matter. The US govt is the family making $25k a year with $100k in credit card debt, only the family can't print any more money so it goes BK. US on the other hand, will just keep printing until the train hits the wall. At some point, the US dollar will become worthless (and will no longer be the world's reserve currency), because that's just the way it goes. There is no stopping it. It is a freight train going 120 mph, and a few miles ahead there is no more track. and This^  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2134890  Sweden11/13/2012 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1561325 United States11/13/2012 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | attack the rich blah blah blah! Does anyone work for a poor person or someone on welfare? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27671404 FUCK NO! its not "attack the RICH" it's everyone pays thier fair share... all the rich do is take take teake,,, its the poor that die on the battlefields, the poor and middle class, that provide the bulk of revenue for the government... When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. The kicker is that the rich make damn sure the poor stay poor so that they are willing to sacrifice their lives in wars of economic opportunity for the financial well-being of their family. All currently enlisted military personnel need to look at how our government is currently treating veterans and realize they will be shit on even worse if they lose anything less than their life. |
| TraderRob User ID: 3560801 United States11/13/2012 02:44 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So for how long will they keep this ridiculous charade going. They are becoming desperate and people are starting to see through it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2134890 It would be nice if this only cost us a grand... then it really would be a bargain. But, as you say... no way to pull this off. It is over. Can't cut spending, will cause recession... can't raise taxes... will cause recession... can't stay with the status quo... will cause recession... Someone is surely going to reply -- depression.... but that is just too depressing for me to contemplate at this point. Dr. Paul? Get your ass off the couch... TPTB need someone with some common sense to help us through this mess. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27671263 United States11/13/2012 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States11/13/2012 02:53 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | attack the rich blah blah blah! Does anyone work for a poor person or someone on welfare? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27671404 FUCK NO! its not "attack the RICH" it's everyone pays thier fair share... all the rich do is take take teake,,, its the poor that die on the battlefields, the poor and middle class, that provide the bulk of revenue for the government... You do know that 47% of households in this country pay NO federal income taxes? And the top 10 income percent pay 70% of all taxes paid. So what are you talking about? One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471245 United States11/13/2012 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the YT post: Quoting: No Dhimmi "First of all, let's establish that no one in Washington actually cares about balancing the budget. If they did, they would love this so-called Fiscal Cliff. It raises taxes and cuts spending, so it would massively reduce the deficit. Isn't that what all of Washington has been pretending to care about all of this time? Second, understand that this so-called compromise they are talking about in order to avoid this supposed calamity is a trick. In fact, it'll be the greatest robbery in American history. Think about it -- they say they are worried about all those tax increases and spending cuts. But that's not true. The Grand Bargain would dramatically increase spending cuts, not alleviate them. So, in fact, the only thing they care about is paying less taxes, as always."* Cenk Uygur explains why Obama's grand bargain isn't a bargain at all, leaving one side (the middle class, veterans) without much benefit and another (big corporations, defense contractors) rolling in tax cuts. *Read more of the article, written by Cenk Uygur, on Huffington Post: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] The reason they "don't care" is because at this point it is mathematically fucking impossible to ever "balance" this budget. Read that again. Both sides know it, and that's part of the scam. I have had 9 quarters of collegiate-level mathematics including calculus, diff eq, linear algebra and engineering statistics, plus I work in financial services. Compound interest is the 8th wonder of the world. The current debt/deficit has reached the point where additional interest accumulation has gone parabolic, and there is no way to ever pay it off. EVER. Both sides know it, which is why 1) interest rates have been kept artificially low, and 2) Obammy keeps on spending. It doesn't matter. The US govt is the family making $25k a year with $100k in credit card debt, only the family can't print any more money so it goes BK. US on the other hand, will just keep printing until the train hits the wall. At some point, the US dollar will become worthless (and will no longer be the world's reserve currency), because that's just the way it goes. There is no stopping it. It is a freight train going 120 mph, and a few miles ahead there is no more track. Ok so you mean interest rates have been kept low so that the debt clock doesn't rise at a higher rate? More then the 3.88 billion per day. Which would cause great, oh darn I forgot that word....... Inflation? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12582603 Canada11/13/2012 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24637305 United States11/13/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27563215 United States11/13/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | attack the rich blah blah blah! Does anyone work for a poor person or someone on welfare? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27671404 FUCK NO! its not "attack the RICH" it's everyone pays thier fair share... all the rich do is take take teake,,, its the poor that die on the battlefields, the poor and middle class, that provide the bulk of revenue for the government... You do know that 47% of households in this country pay NO federal income taxes? And the top 10 income percent pay 70% of all taxes paid. So what are you talking about? That's combined  |
| Fand User ID: 27682080 United States11/13/2012 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | its not "attack the RICH" it's everyone pays thier fair share... all the rich do is take take teake,,, its the poor that die on the battlefields, the poor and middle class, that provide the bulk of revenue for the government... Quoting: Bluebird You do know that 47% of households in this country pay NO federal income taxes? And the top 10 income percent pay 70% of all taxes paid. So what are you talking about? ^^^ I wonder who tells you those statistics? Gov't, perhaps? Whatever! My family certainly isn't rich, but at least we don't live on welfare, and we're struggling enough as it is, yet almost 1/3 of our income goes to taxes! Hell, we'd be better off if we did live on welfare, but such a scheme goes against my principles. The only way nearly 50% of Americans get away with not paying taxes, then I'd bet they're all unempled and possibly living on welfare or unemployment. Even my 89 yr old retired grandmother pays taxes. Some people are seriously naive! |
| Fand User ID: 27682080 United States11/13/2012 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15092331 United States11/13/2012 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
