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In a court of law, we have something called 'testimony'

Whenever evidence is presented, someone has to 'testify'

The lawyer wants to show the murder weapon? He has a cop in court, who testifies that is the murder weapon.

Now... the person giving testimony has to be 'credible'. If the other side can prove that the witness is not credible, due to lack of knowledge or an ulterior motive, their testimony is considered 'doubtful'. There is a REASON TO DOUBT IT. And therefore, should not be considered as CREDIBLE.

In addition, witnesses are under oath. If they are found to be lying, they are penalized.



Now, the bible is called, "Testament".

You know why?

Because, it is basically testimony that was written down.

So... lets put the bible through the same process that anyone in court would go through.

Now, the question is not whether the people in the BIBLE are credible. Because you would first have to assume they exist.
No. For the information in the bible to even be considered, we need someone to TESTIFY that the information is credible.

Enter the Churches.

This is what they do. Men in robes and point hats tell you that the bible is true.

However... do churches have ulterior motives for saying this? Yes.

And have churces lied about things in the past? Have they lost 'credibility'?
Yes.

So their testimony must be discounted.

In which case, you also have to realize that there is simply no credible witness or testimony that says the Bible is even worth LOOKING AT! Much less thinking it is true.
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"The reason people scoff at the Bible is because of their lifestyle. They don't want
there to be a God because God interferes with their lifestyle, and they scoff at
the Bible because of their lusts."

- Kent Hovind
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"The reason people scoff at the Bible is because of their lifestyle. They don't want
there to be a God because God interferes with their lifestyle, and they scoff at
the Bible because of their lusts."

- Kent Hovind
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Nope. I would fricking LOVE for there to be an omnipotent God who was going to give me eternal bliss when I died.

That would be... awesome.

However, I am aware that people lie. So... yeah. Have to check facts. And it looks like the people who pass out the multitude of Holy books are usually lying.
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Your premise has a flaw, in that you were using "courts of law" as a metaphor (or something to support your case-) weren't you?

In the U.S.A you have to give your oath with your hand on the bible.

So I guess you're saying that the courts (of the U.S.A)know all?

When in fact the courts, even to this day, admit (by practice) that they NEED the Bible for people to be sworn in.

Call it what you want, but that shows respect for that book that you think that you have all figured out.
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do you believe in the bible ?

the answer is no, obvious in your failed attempt at reasoning.
therefore you have no credibility, and your testimony is void upon it's inception due to your predjudice.

wolf in sheeps clothing
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Your premise has a flaw, in that you were using "courts of law" as a metaphor (or something to support your case-) weren't you?

In the U.S.A you have to give your oath with your hand on the bible.

So I guess you're saying that the courts (of the U.S.A)know all?

When in fact the courts, even to this day, admit (by practice) that they NEED the Bible for people to be sworn in.

Call it what you want, but that shows respect for that book that you think that you have all figured out.
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you are right. That shows respect for that book.

So what? That fact has nothing to do with anything I said.
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do you believe in the bible ?

the answer is no, obvious in your failed attempt at reasoning.
therefore you have no credibility, and your testimony is void upon it's inception due to your predjudice.

wolf in sheeps clothing
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I wasn't testifying, Einstein
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Deuteronomy 21:18-21 = Stone Disobedient Child
Leviticus 20:9 & Proverbs 20:20= Death for Cursing Parents
Exodus 21:7-11 = it's okay to sell your daughter to slavery


Leviticus 20:9 = Death for Cursing Parents
"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense."


Deuteronomy 21:18-21 = Stone Disobedient Child
"if a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die"

Exodus 21:7-11 = it's okay to sell your daughter to slavery
“If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed."

So basically Christians whom
- Don't stone their Disobedient children
- Or those parents who don't put their child to death after they are cursed

Are disobeying GOD'S word and not being a true faithful Christian!

rockon
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Your premise has a flaw, in that you were using "courts of law" as a metaphor (or something to support your case-) weren't you?

In the U.S.A you have to give your oath with your hand on the bible.

So I guess you're saying that the courts (of the U.S.A)know all?

When in fact the courts, even to this day, admit (by practice) that they NEED the Bible for people to be sworn in.

Call it what you want, but that shows respect for that book that you think that you have all figured out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


you are right. That shows respect for that book.

So what? That fact has nothing to do with anything I said.
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Your entire point was wrapped around how the word "testimony" was used in a court of law.....

In fact, that's how you started your argument.

What is obvious (to anybody who skimmed over your little "idea"), is that the Bible didn't get that word from the courts, and it's just the opposite.

So you are, in effect, trying to use the bible to disprove the bible- which you have stated yourself is powerless.

So which is it? Powerful or impotent
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You guys are free to live however you want and believe whatever you want.

Winner takes all, yeah?
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...the bible is scientific metaphors..you can decode it but you cant debunk it..if you want the basic decode so you can cipher the rest of the bible then read this thread> 777 is the number of god because i am god...no ,I'm no god,its an "ascension" thread through the mysteries...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 11/13/2012 02:11 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Your premise has a flaw, in that you were using "courts of law" as a metaphor (or something to support your case-) weren't you?

In the U.S.A you have to give your oath with your hand on the bible.

So I guess you're saying that the courts (of the U.S.A)know all?

When in fact the courts, even to this day, admit (by practice) that they NEED the Bible for people to be sworn in.

Call it what you want, but that shows respect for that book that you think that you have all figured out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


you are right. That shows respect for that book.

So what? That fact has nothing to do with anything I said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


Your entire point was wrapped around how the word "testimony" was used in a court of law.....

In fact, that's how you started your argument.

What is obvious (to anybody who skimmed over your little "idea"), is that the Bible didn't get that word from the courts, and it's just the opposite.

So you are, in effect, trying to use the bible to disprove the bible- which you have stated yourself is powerless.

So which is it? Powerful or impotent
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


...I don't think you get it.

I was pointing out that people fail to make the connection.

It doesn't matter if the word originated in our court system or in the Bible.

I was simply pointing out how logical humans don't simply except testimony or evidence as truth.

They check the credibility of the person testifying. And when evidence is submitted, a credible person has to back it up.

So basically, Christianity is based entirely on TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE

I mean, if God came down from Heaven and blew up a city, like it said he did all the time in the Bible, then everyone would be a Christian. People wouldn't need blind faith.

But for some reason... no more miracles. No more mana from heaven. Or burning bushes. Or split seas. We just have to go on testimonial evidence.

Which would be no big deal. After all, I beleive the civil war happened based on TESTIMONIAL evidence. I wasn't there.

Unfortunately, the people saying the bible were true have ulterior motives and have been shown to be lying.

That is what I am saying.
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do you believe in the bible ?

the answer is no, obvious in your failed attempt at reasoning.
therefore you have no credibility, and your testimony is void upon it's inception due to your predjudice.

wolf in sheeps clothing
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I wasn't testifying, Einstein
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154

Actually you were offering testimony as an 'expert witness' by supplying the answers to 2 question which would require you having the information to prove such things (which you don't have) and you rendered a judgment call before the 'trial'.


"However... do churches have ulterior motives for saying this? Yes.

And have churces lied about things in the past? Have they lost 'credibility'?
Yes.

So their testimony must be discounted."
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Maybe you should just admit that you should have used a different word and metaphor.


Oh, and then admit that you don't know everything...
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"The reason people scoff at the Bible is because of their lifestyle. They don't want
there to be a God because God interferes with their lifestyle, and they scoff at
the Bible because of their lusts."

- Kent Hovind
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Nope. I would fricking LOVE for there to be an omnipotent God who was going to give me eternal bliss when I died.

That would be... awesome.

However, I am aware that people lie. So... yeah. Have to check facts. And it looks like the people who pass out the multitude of Holy books are usually lying.
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the eternal bliss you want, but you just don't want there to be any rules that go along with it
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In a court of law, we have something called 'testimony'

Whenever evidence is presented, someone has to 'testify'

The lawyer wants to show the murder weapon? He has a cop in court, who testifies that is the murder weapon.

Now... the person giving testimony has to be 'credible'. If the other side can prove that the witness is not credible, due to lack of knowledge or an ulterior motive, their testimony is considered 'doubtful'. There is a REASON TO DOUBT IT. And therefore, should not be considered as CREDIBLE.

In addition, witnesses are under oath. If they are found to be lying, they are penalized.



Now, the bible is called, "Testament".

You know why?

Because, it is basically testimony that was written down.

So... lets put the bible through the same process that anyone in court would go through.

Now, the question is not whether the people in the BIBLE are credible. Because you would first have to assume they exist.
No. For the information in the bible to even be considered, we need someone to TESTIFY that the information is credible.

Enter the Churches.

This is what they do. Men in robes and point hats tell you that the bible is true.

However... do churches have ulterior motives for saying this? Yes.

And have churces lied about things in the past? Have they lost 'credibility'?
Yes.

So their testimony must be discounted.

In which case, you also have to realize that there is simply no credible witness or testimony that says the Bible is even worth LOOKING AT! Much less thinking it is true.
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This is the dumbest argument I ever heard for attacking the bible.

If a witness got up in court and lied about something he read in a U.S. history book...would that negate all of U.S. history? The civil war, george washington, the constitution...all of it did not exist because of one discredited witness?

Likewise...are you suggesting that ancient israel, all the archelogical finds...the Jewish temple...the religious practices...indeed, the very people of the the judaic and christian cultures over thousands of years...were simply fabricated after the fact?

Don't be absurd.
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I mean, if God came down from Heaven and blew up a city, like it said he did all the time in the Bible, then everyone would be a Christian. People wouldn't need blind faith.

But for some reason... no more miracles. No more mana from heaven. Or burning bushes. Or split seas. We just have to go on testimonial evidence.
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Perhaps you are missing some information in that the Bible is the method used to gather (Gentiles) to God. Just because you demand God remove the faith part and supply proof only means you are trying to push ahead an event that is already 'part of the overall plan'. Instead of dismissing God you should be acknowledge on how well He can cover His 'physical tracks'.

Joh.20:29
Jesus saith unto him,
Thomas,
because thou hast seen me,
thou hast believed:
blessed are they that have not seen,
and yet have believed.
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If you were just saying that the people who wrote the Bible were liars then you should have stuck to that.

I wouldn't agree.

The same people would agree that agreed yesterday. Big whoop.

What's your point? Do you have an agenda to set the record straight?

Maybe you should try the book of Job for an answer. Read to what God says to Job.
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In a court of law, we have something called 'testimony'

Whenever evidence is presented, someone has to 'testify'

The lawyer wants to show the murder weapon? He has a cop in court, who testifies that is the murder weapon.

Now... the person giving testimony has to be 'credible'. If the other side can prove that the witness is not credible, due to lack of knowledge or an ulterior motive, their testimony is considered 'doubtful'. There is a REASON TO DOUBT IT. And therefore, should not be considered as CREDIBLE.

In addition, witnesses are under oath. If they are found to be lying, they are penalized.



Now, the bible is called, "Testament".

You know why?

Because, it is basically testimony that was written down.

So... lets put the bible through the same process that anyone in court would go through.

Now, the question is not whether the people in the BIBLE are credible. Because you would first have to assume they exist.
No. For the information in the bible to even be considered, we need someone to TESTIFY that the information is credible.

Enter the Churches.

This is what they do. Men in robes and point hats tell you that the bible is true.

However... do churches have ulterior motives for saying this? Yes.

And have churces lied about things in the past? Have they lost 'credibility'?
Yes.

So their testimony must be discounted.

In which case, you also have to realize that there is simply no credible witness or testimony that says the Bible is even worth LOOKING AT! Much less thinking it is true.
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First, you start out wrong.
The bible is not called a "testament", the first part is
basically the Jewish bible, the second part is the
"new testament", basically the testament of Jesus Christ.
Christians for some reason focus on the older part of
the bible, even though if a Christian you need to pay
attention mostly to the new testament.
The new testament was not written down for fifty years after
the death of Jesus, passed down by spoken word.
The Bible has a lot of good advice for building a civilization, but is schizophrenic in that the gods of the old and new books of the bible act completly different.
Like most religion people beleive the bible without question
for one reason...their parents did.
Same is true for the Koran, etc
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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If you were just saying that the people who wrote the Bible were liars then you should have stuck to that.

I wouldn't agree.

The same people would agree that agreed yesterday. Big whoop.

What's your point? Do you have an agenda to set the record straight?

Maybe you should try the book of Job for an answer. Read to what God says to Job.
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No. That's the thing. A lot of people even debate WHO wrote the Bible.

Some people say that it was written centuries after the events in the bible and is still being rewritten today.

That was MY WHOLE POINT.

People are always debating whether the facts in the bible are true.

What I am saying, is that testimonial evidence like the Bible would never even be allowed into a court of law!
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we just discovered that gold in a pure state is clear. Nasa uses it on its helmet visors now.

Rev_21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
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If you were just saying that the people who wrote the Bible were liars then you should have stuck to that.

I wouldn't agree.

The same people would agree that agreed yesterday. Big whoop.

What's your point? Do you have an agenda to set the record straight?

Maybe you should try the book of Job for an answer. Read to what God says to Job.
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No. That's the thing. A lot of people even debate WHO wrote the Bible.

Some people say that it was written centuries after the events in the bible and is still being rewritten today.

That was MY WHOLE POINT.

People are always debating whether the facts in the bible are true.

What I am saying, is that testimonial evidence like the Bible would never even be allowed into a court of law!
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THE BIBLE is LITERALLY used (and allowed) in every American court of law.

BEFORE any OTHER evidence can be brought forth EVERY witness MUST SWEAR on the BIBLE.

If I were you I'd get away from the whole "court" thing. Not helping your case at all.

So you are saying the Bible would not be allowed as evidence?
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op, youre an idiot
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Basically your agenda is to disprove the bible then? That's it?

Why?

What do you get out of that?

Do you think you'll be King?

Seriously dude. What's your point?

Do you think YOU are the one (after all this time) that will be the ONE to bring peace to the earth by destroying the bible?
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Silly Op's argument is silly.

Op is not making a cogent argument to prove his position, but is simply making a silly argument to ruffle feathers.

In short, Op be trollin'.
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In a court of law, we have something called \'testimony\'

Whenever evidence is presented, someone has to \'testify\'

The lawyer wants to show the murder weapon? He has a cop in court, who testifies that is the murder weapon.

Now... the person giving testimony has to be \'credible\'. If the other side can prove that the witness is not credible, due to lack of knowledge or an ulterior motive, their testimony is considered \'doubtful\'. There is a REASON TO DOUBT IT. And therefore, should not be considered as CREDIBLE.

In addition, witnesses are under oath. If they are found to be lying, they are penalized.



Now, the bible is called, \"Testament\".

You know why?

Because, it is basically testimony that was written down.

So... lets put the bible through the same process that anyone in court would go through.

Now, the question is not whether the people in the BIBLE are credible. Because you would first have to assume they exist.
No. For the information in the bible to even be considered, we need someone to TESTIFY that the information is credible.

Enter the Churches.

This is what they do. Men in robes and point hats tell you that the bible is true.

However... do churches have ulterior motives for saying this? Yes.

And have churces lied about things in the past? Have they lost \'credibility\'?
Yes.

So their testimony must be discounted.

In which case, you also have to realize that there is simply no credible witness or testimony that says the Bible is even worth LOOKING AT! Much less thinking it is true.
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The bible has stood the test of time and scholars... your amazing lack of evidence proves nothing
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BEFORE any OTHER evidence can be brought forth EVERY witness MUST SWEAR on the BIBLE.



Not true. Swearing on the Bible is not required in order to testify or present evidence in U.S. courts.

You can simply affirm that you will tell the truth. No swearing to God, no swearing on the Bible, no religious oaths of any kind are necessary.
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Basically your agenda is to disprove the bible then? That's it?

Why?

What do you get out of that?

Do you think you'll be King?

Seriously dude. What's your point?

Do you think YOU are the one (after all this time) that will be the ONE to bring peace to the earth by destroying the bible?
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No. I myself spent a great deal of thought looking at religions, doing soul searching trying to find out the truth.

So many religions. So many arguments.

Then, in my twenties I began to study philosophy. Decision making. Evaluation skills.

And I learned about how courts worked. And WHY they worked that way.

And when I applied these same mental processes to religious texts it totally altered the way I looked at them.

Suddenly I no longer searched through each line in the bible wondering... "I wonder if the man who wrote this was telling the truth"

I started thinking... "How do I know if this guy really existed?"

I started thinking, "These are just words in a book. Who says these guys even existed?"

And it changed my whole perspective. So my agenda was to share this tool. This thought process of looking at where information comes from, and consciously thinking "how credible is the source of this information?"

That was my agenda. That was all.
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Basically your agenda is to disprove the bible then? That's it?

Why?

What do you get out of that?

Do you think you'll be King?

Seriously dude. What's your point?

Do you think YOU are the one (after all this time) that will be the ONE to bring peace to the earth by destroying the bible?
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No. I myself spent a great deal of thought looking at religions, doing soul searching trying to find out the truth.

So many religions. So many arguments.

Then, in my twenties I began to study philosophy. Decision making. Evaluation skills.

And I learned about how courts worked. And WHY they worked that way.

And when I applied these same mental processes to religious texts it totally altered the way I looked at them.

Suddenly I no longer searched through each line in the bible wondering... "I wonder if the man who wrote this was telling the truth"

I started thinking... "How do I know if this guy really existed?"

I started thinking, "These are just words in a book. Who says these guys even existed?"

And it changed my whole perspective. So my agenda was to share this tool. This thought process of looking at where information comes from, and consciously thinking "how credible is the source of this information?"

That was my agenda. That was all.
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once again op......youre an idiot

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