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AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain

 
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AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
WASHINGTON (AP) — Some Democrats are pushing an unorthodox idea for coping with the "fiscal cliff": Let the government go over, temporarily at least, to give their party more bargaining leverage for changes later on.

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i realized the chances of this getting pinned tonight are slim but.....
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bad situation folks.....
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
i realized the chances of this getting pinned tonight are slim but.....

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thanks for the pin.

this is a big deal and you all should read this article
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
They don't want to save us, they want to save their big contributors. The military contractors would lose millions if the budget is not done in time to stop the cuts. The proposed cuts are much deeper, but they don't hurt the military contractors at all. So who benifits form this deal? The politicians! Lets all write Washington and tell them "let it happen". I doubt any of them care what we think, but it's worth a try. Another thing to consider is that these cuts will happen, and promises are cheap.
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
sounds much more like treason than secession does to me...
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The pieces are beginning to come together, the Capital Controls going into effect on Jan 1, 2013 (The same time that we fall off of the fiscal cliff), the stealth capital controls on cash...

They're fencing us in...setting us up to take the fall...

They never intended to fix this...

Last Edited by Saddletramp on 11/13/2012 08:49 PM
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We drove over the fiscal cliff ten years ago and nobody cared

Just wave your flags and smile for the cameras


It was a big cliff

And the bottom is approaching fast


a big slab of bullshit ready to hit jagged rocks and explode


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That's a great idea!!!

I hope the Democrats have the balls to do it.

It would mean the end of the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and automatic cuts to the bloated military. THEN bargain with the obstructionist assholes in the GOP from a position of strength.

DO IT!!!!!
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Fucking sheeplebah
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sounds much more like treason than secession does to me...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27377533


not raising the debt limit is treason

are you fucking people retarded?

I thought you conservatives wanted fiscal restraint


You don't know what the fuck you want
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
That's a great idea!!!

I hope the Democrats have the balls to do it.

It would mean the end of the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and automatic cuts to the bloated military. THEN bargain with the obstructionist assholes in the GOP from a position of strength.

DO IT!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27688150


be careful what you wish for
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How would the party that caused this have more leveraging power once it happened???
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You fucking morons, this is a Godsend. Government spends less money. Gov shrinks. Good thing. Don't believe the media. They lie about EVERYTHING
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
From the article:

"That's why Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and other Democrats have said their party's leaders should seriously consider letting the Jan. 1 deadline pass and then negotiate with Republicans under sharply different circumstances."

So, other words, they want to hold the country hostage, bring it to its knees, break fingers on a mass scale, to force their way.

"Murray's allies say voters would blame Republicans for refusing to yield"

Yet, it is they who would be refusing to yield.

"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., showed no interest in challenging the fiscal cliff. "I want you to be disabused of any notion that there is any widespread thought that it would be a good thing, for our country, for us to go over the cliff," she told reporters Tuesday."

Hmm.
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
That's a great idea!!!

I hope the Democrats have the balls to do it.

It would mean the end of the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and automatic cuts to the bloated military. THEN bargain with the obstructionist assholes in the GOP from a position of strength.

DO IT!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27688150


Tax revenues went up after the 2003 Bush tax cuts you fucking idiot.

The only thing "irresponsible" is the bloated government spending - driven by unsustainable entitlement programs passed by DEMOCRATS.
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Will they take their Chevy Volts and Prius with them?
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
That's a great idea!!!

I hope the Democrats have the balls to do it.

It would mean the end of the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and automatic cuts to the bloated military. THEN bargain with the obstructionist assholes in the GOP from a position of strength.

DO IT!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27688150


Tax revenues went up after the 2003 Bush tax cuts you fucking idiot.

The only thing "irresponsible" is the bloated government spending - driven by unsustainable entitlement programs passed by DEMOCRATS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22104307


The Bush tax cuts and Bush wars are responsible for 40% of the trillion dollar deficits we're running, moron.

Who in the world is stupid enough to make massive tax cuts during expensive wars?? ONLY REPUBLIKANS!


dick
"Deficits don't matter."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25654386


40%?

lol, you've never even looked at the budget numbers have you?

You are so off it isn't even funny.
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
That's a great idea!!!

I hope the Democrats have the balls to do it.

It would mean the end of the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and automatic cuts to the bloated military. THEN bargain with the obstructionist assholes in the GOP from a position of strength.

DO IT!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27688150


Tax revenues went up after the 2003 Bush tax cuts you fucking idiot.

The only thing "irresponsible" is the bloated government spending - driven by unsustainable entitlement programs passed by DEMOCRATS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22104307


The Bush tax cuts and Bush wars are responsible for 40% of the trillion dollar deficits we're running, moron.

Who in the world is stupid enough to make massive tax cuts during expensive wars?? ONLY REPUBLIKANS!


dick
"Deficits don't matter."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25654386


We must go over the cliff u ignorant democunt... and stop lying about and blaming Bush for the 20 trill 0blama is racking up
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Re: AP: Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
That's a great idea!!!

I hope the Democrats have the balls to do it.

It would mean the end of the irresponsible Bush tax cuts and automatic cuts to the bloated military. THEN bargain with the obstructionist assholes in the GOP from a position of strength.

DO IT!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27688150


Tax revenues went up after the 2003 Bush tax cuts you fucking idiot.

The only thing "irresponsible" is the bloated government spending - driven by unsustainable entitlement programs passed by DEMOCRATS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22104307


The Bush tax cuts and Bush wars are responsible for 40% of the trillion dollar deficits we're running, moron.

Who in the world is stupid enough to make massive tax cuts during expensive wars?? ONLY REPUBLIKANS!


dick
"Deficits don't matter."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25654386


40%?

lol, you've never even looked at the budget numbers have you?

You are so off it isn't even funny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22104307


The Pew Fiscal Analysis has looked at the budget numbers.
I don't know what bullshit Rush Limbaugh has been telling you.



Between 2001 and 2011, about two-thirds (68 percent) of the $12.7 trillion growth in federal debt has been due to new legislation. Forty percent of this legislative growth was the result of tax cuts enacted after January 2001, and 60 percent resulted from spending increases.

[link to m.washingtonpost.com]
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Tax revenues went up after the 2003 Bush tax cuts you fucking idiot.

The only thing "irresponsible" is the bloated government spending - driven by unsustainable entitlement programs passed by DEMOCRATS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22104307


The Bush tax cuts and Bush wars are responsible for 40% of the trillion dollar deficits we're running, moron.

Who in the world is stupid enough to make massive tax cuts during expensive wars?? ONLY REPUBLIKANS!


dick
"Deficits don't matter."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25654386


40%?

lol, you've never even looked at the budget numbers have you?

You are so off it isn't even funny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22104307


The Pew Fiscal Analysis has looked at the budget numbers.
I don't know what bullshit Rush Limbaugh has been telling you.



Between 2001 and 2011, about two-thirds (68 percent) of the $12.7 trillion growth in federal debt has been due to new legislation. Forty percent of this legislative growth was the result of tax cuts enacted after January 2001, and 60 percent resulted from spending increases.

[link to m.washingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25654386


As I said, you are a fucking idiot.

First of all you blame the wars and Bush's tax cuts on 40% of the debt THEN you show an article that includes spending increases/tax cuts enacted all the way through Obama's term in 2011!

Do you get it now you fucking retard?

And again, stupid shit like that from biased morons like Ezra Klein doesn't show you the hard numbers. Look at the actual tax revenues following Bush's 2003 tax cuts - revenues went UP every year until the housing bubble crash.

So explain how rising tax revenues increases the debt you idiot.

Again - look at the numbers:

[link to www.taxpolicycenter.org]

Notice spending goes UP by 500 billion when Obama takes office and revenues decrease 400 billion from the housing bubble crash.

This is why I hate democrats. You people are so fucking ignorant and stupid it hurts.

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