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Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state

 
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Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state
Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state

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For more than a decade, Scott Routley has been living in a vegetative state.

He can’t talk. He can’t move. And although his eyes are open, no one is sure whether he can see.

But now, for the first time, doctors caring for the 39-year-old London, Ont., man say they know he’s not in pain.

And they learned it from Routley himself, by analyzing his brain waves when they asked him.

“This was a landmark moment for us because for the first time, a patient can actually tell us information, important information about how they’re feeling and their current situation,” said lead researcher Dr. Adrian Owen on Tuesday.
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Poor guy.

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I would feel like crap if I pulled...

ex. let's say my mothers plug... years ago because she was in a vegetative state.

I would hold on. That's the loving thing to do.

Never give up on people.
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I would feel like crap if I pulled...

ex. let's say my mothers plug... years ago because she was in a vegetative state.

I would hold on. That's the loving thing to do.

Never give up on people.
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Just because she may have "said" she was not in pain doesn't rule out the idea that they internally came to grips with their horrible existence, if you can even call it that, and wanted to die peacefully already. Tough choice for any family member to make, but if that we're to happen to me I would wanna be unplugged
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I have a directive, that my attorney is holding, that I am not to be kept in a vegetative state under any circumstances. I have personally asked, several in my family, to please be the one to place a pillow over my face and press down...

But I am happy that they are working with people trapped in this kind of hell. I pray for them now, they have my deepest empathy. It is a deep fear, and I hope I die a horrible, painful death before I would ever have to endure anything like that--living for years in limbo.
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Re: Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state
Fair enough.

Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't)

But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game.

Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state.

I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices.
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11/13/2012 07:59 PM
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it will be useless if there is no medical coverage from medicare or insurance benefits... because doctor or nurse will not be spending their time on a patient for free.
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I would feel like crap if I pulled...

ex. let's say my mothers plug... years ago because she was in a vegetative state.

I would hold on. That's the loving thing to do.

Never give up on people.
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Maybe i'd 'accidentally' trip on the fucking power cord.

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Now they can get to work on making Ottawa hear the people.
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it will be useless if there is no medical coverage from medicare or insurance benefits... because doctor or nurse will not be spending their time on a patient for free.
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Vegetable state dose not always mean you have to be hooked up to a machine 24/7, let alone be confined within a hospital.

Hospitals aren't magical places that as soon as you leave hospital grounds you die.

Some could easily be moved onto a bed, maybe a nice cabin in the country side or in a wheel chair. You could care for them yourself, or with the help of family.

At this rate who knows, maybe we can go a step further can wake people from this comatose state and gain some functionality someday.
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Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state

[link to life.nationalpost.com]

For more than a decade, Scott Routley has been living in a vegetative state.

He can’t talk. He can’t move. And although his eyes are open, no one is sure whether he can see.

But now, for the first time, doctors caring for the 39-year-old London, Ont., man say they know he’s not in pain.

And they learned it from Routley himself, by analyzing his brain waves when they asked him.

“This was a landmark moment for us because for the first time, a patient can actually tell us information, important information about how they’re feeling and their current situation,” said lead researcher Dr. Adrian Owen on Tuesday.
 Quoting: OP VEGETABLE MAN 27690329


This is actually pretty damn amazing. Think about it.

From a series of control questions one should be able to determine a Yes or No brain wave pattern.

The patient has a known and deep seeded fear of spiders for example: You could ask, "Do you like spiders" - that should be a No; or you could ask, "Are you afraid of spiders" - that should be a Yes.

There is only a subtle difference in the phrasing - so that would also speak towards any awareness
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Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state

[link to life.nationalpost.com]

For more than a decade, Scott Routley has been living in a vegetative state.

He can’t talk. He can’t move. And although his eyes are open, no one is sure whether he can see.

But now, for the first time, doctors caring for the 39-year-old London, Ont., man say they know he’s not in pain.

And they learned it from Routley himself, by analyzing his brain waves when they asked him.

“This was a landmark moment for us because for the first time, a patient can actually tell us information, important information about how they’re feeling and their current situation,” said lead researcher Dr. Adrian Owen on Tuesday.
 Quoting: OP VEGETABLE MAN 27690329


This is actually pretty damn amazing. Think about it.

From a series of control questions one should be able to determine a Yes or No brain wave pattern.

The patient has a known and deep seeded fear of spiders for example: You could ask, "Do you like spiders" - that should be a No; or you could ask, "Are you afraid of spiders" - that should be a Yes.

There is only a subtle difference in the phrasing - so that would also speak towards any awareness
 Quoting: amachiavellian


If you take that a step further.

You could write a code that translates the brain wave into actual language played back through a speaker.
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why are both of our posts on this pinned?
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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why are both of our posts on this pinned?
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Yeah that made me lol. I like my title better though.
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why are both of our posts on this pinned?
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Overwhelmed moderators, web activity is at an all time high recently.
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why are both of our posts on this pinned?
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Yeah that made me lol. I like my title better though.
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afro
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Re: Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state
I hope this opens up a whole new door for those that are trapped in this situation, the ones that are in a comatose state, and the families caring for them alike.
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11/13/2012 08:46 PM
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Re: Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state
Fair enough.

Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't)

But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game.

Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state.

I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices.
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shit
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Re: Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state
Fair enough.

Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't)

But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game.

Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state.

I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315


shit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27677098


What do you mean shit?

If you where beaten to near death this technology could help you ID and prosecute those who did you harm in court.
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11/13/2012 08:55 PM
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I think this was on an episode of House.

Interesting book on this subject 'Johnny Got His Gun' -- written from the perspective of a guy who had both his arms and legs and face blown up in WWI.
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11/13/2012 08:56 PM
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I think the only message they'd get out of him would be (kill me)
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I have a directive, that my attorney is holding, that I am not to be kept in a vegetative state under any circumstances. I have personally asked, several in my family, to please be the one to place a pillow over my face and press down...

But I am happy that they are working with people trapped in this kind of hell. I pray for them now, they have my deepest empathy. It is a deep fear, and I hope I die a horrible, painful death before I would ever have to endure anything like that--living for years in limbo.
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But maybe science could figure out how to bring you back one day? :D
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Re: Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state
Fair enough.

Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't)

But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game.

Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state.

I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315


shit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27677098


What do you mean shit?

If you where beaten to near death this technology could help you ID and prosecute those who did you harm in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315


Maybe that is why AC said shit....
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11/13/2012 09:32 PM
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Wow I can't imagine being in that position, I would rather die that be in that vegetative state for the rest of my life
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Wow I can't imagine being in that position, I would rather die that be in that vegetative state for the rest of my life
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I think the only message they'd get out of him would be (kill me)
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Thats because you have no logic outside of your own ego.

The man alreay said he is in no pain.

It`s possible he has enduced other defences that humans have long forgot, maybe his brain accesed another dimencion to cope..

Who knows how it all works?,
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So your still "conscious" and just sit there day after day literally not being able to do ANYTHING. Uhh count me the fuck out.
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I have a directive, that my attorney is holding, that I am not to be kept in a vegetative state under any circumstances. I have personally asked, several in my family, to please be the one to place a pillow over my face and press down...

But I am happy that they are working with people trapped in this kind of hell. I pray for them now, they have my deepest empathy. It is a deep fear, and I hope I die a horrible, painful death before I would ever have to endure anything like that--living for years in limbo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27335964


But maybe science could figure out how to bring you back one day? :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1779676


After years of sitting there, same room, doing literally nothing...Even if there was technology to bring you back, highly likely you would be insane by the time the technology came around.
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11/14/2012 01:22 AM
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course there is no way to prove they are correct
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so, they had a vegetarian in California that made sense????

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