9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims

not to mention there is evidence that people who get the flushot this year are more apt to get h1n1.

Love your threads Mopar, good poster who actually cares about other people.

Thank you.

the schticks that push the needle are clueless tools.

if eating boogars was in the medical journals as being the fountain of youth they'd be pushing nose picking.

truth.

I get the whole anti vaccine hype. I'm on board.
What about eradication of smallpox and polio?

Brilliant post , brilliant blog. Thanks for your info and input on this matter. I was nearly killed by an anti swine flu drug called tamiflu. It left me with Guillian barre syndrome. Here's some very upto date news I hope you can use.
Again thank you for your post. It's nice to see h1n1 awareness

The truth is coming out

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I'll list the others for you Mop considering fair usage:

...5. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?

6. What to ask: Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?

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...7. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future infections?

8. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?

9. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?

[link to preventdisease.com]

Btw bump till yeh get hiccups

When the small pox vaccine was mandated in England, the deaths from small pox actually went up.

Polio has not been eradicated, the requirements for being diagnosed with Polio has been changed. You have to have some sort of paralysis for 36 days in order to be diagnosed with Polio, otherwise you are diagnosed with aseptic meningitis.

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Another poster beat me too it, but since polio and small pox are no longer an issue in this country, the effectiveness of vaccines is pretty apparent.

Tamiflu has psychotropic drugs in it & I tell anyone I know don't get it. Its not worth the risk just shorten your bug by a day or 2. I advocate for a natural way to shorten the bug. (Vit. A & vit. D3)

I have gotten a lot of flak for being skeptical on this one, but I would love to see any one of those studies that showed a link between vaccines and any negative effects, as well. I never get flu shots, and I think this Gardasil thing is fishy, but, as a previous poster said, what about polio and smallpox? Those are two big killers that were only brought under control after the development of a vaccine. Measles, mumps, and rubella were also killers of children for a long time, until vaccines came along. How can anyone say the near eradication of deadly diseases is not a good thing?

Granted, wondering what weird crap they put into me in the 70's is a tad worrying, but thus far I have not suffered any ill effects from these vaccines, that I know of. While I would love to see the evidence you suggest asking for, that coin has two sides. So far, all I see is a lot of healthy people who never suffered from these horrible afflictions, and a bunch of speculation. Of course, it's easy for me to argue and play Devil's Advocate, as both myself and my kids all have as many vaccines as we are going to get. There's not much you can do after the fact, except try to get facts. So far, neither side seems to be producing very many.

(Hint): Eating boogers is good for you.....as is eating dirt as a child......anti-bacterial soaps are bad fyi....

The death rate from childhood diseases were on the way down prior to the widespread use of vaccines, including deaths from diseases that don't have vaccines. (Scarlet fever, TB)

[link to genesgreenbook.com]


These charts use data from the CDC.

SIDS was almost unheard prior to the widespread use of vaccines.

I found this after a quick google search.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

It's a Double Blind Placebo Controlled test of vaccine.

WB, here's a historical perspective to support OP's point regarding smallpox:

...THE ORIGIN OF VACCINATION.

Why do people believe in vaccination? Why did they ever believe in the King’s touch?

Jenner’s idea was based solely upon a dairymaid’s superstition. He sought to give it a scientific air by calling cowpox (a disease which bears no analogy to smallpox) variolae vaccinae—i.e., smallpox of the cow. The Latin name was not without its effect, and anything that promised less harmful results than the prevailing practice of the direct inoculation of smallpox matter (which had been killing people by hundreds, and afterwards had to be forbidden by Act of Parliament) was acceptable at the time to the frightened and gullible population. The rest was an affair of influence. When once an error is accepted by a profession corporately and endowed by Government, to uproot it becomes a herculean task, beside which the entrance of a rich man into the Kingdom of heaven is easy.

The Compulsory Vaccination Act was passed in 1853; a still more stringent one followed in 1867. And between the years 1871 and 1880 there were 57,016 smallpox deaths. Compare this with the small number in the present day, when considerably more than half the population is unvaccinated, and when awful warnings are periodically uttered about the decimating scourge always "bound to come," which never arrives! Between 1911 and 1920 the deaths numbered only 110.

Let us look at the most recent Annual report of the Registrar-General—the eighty-third. He states that during the last 15 years 53 vaccinated persons have died of smallpox. In addition, there were 92 other deaths of the "doubtful" class mentioned above; that is, those declared by patients or friends to have been vaccinated, but which have been entered by medical officials as "doubtful" rather than take the slight trouble of searching the registers for verification. We may conclude, therefore, that there were 145 cases of smallpox deaths in vaccinated persons in this country during the last 15 years. And yet there were only 78 unvaccinated deaths during the same period. Thus, the rate of vaccinated to unvaccinated deaths is nearly two to one. This is the more remarkable seeing that during this same 15 years England has been largely unvaccinated, probably to the extent of about 75 per cent.

Great article here:

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I've read that the fall in polio cases coincided with the banning of DDT.

Is there a Polio virus in captivity, or is polio a syndrome?

Heavens sake done worry about vaccines, if they arent already a thing of the past they soon will be.

OP-

Edward Jenner showed that vaccination against smallpox using cowpox made one immune to smallpox in 1976. Before this vaccine, smallpox killed about 20-30% of people.

Louis Pasteur developed a vaccine for anthrax in the 1870s for cattle, after he noticed that dead chicken cholera made chickens sick initially, but afterwards those chickens were immune to live bacteria.

Pasteur also developed a vaccine for rabbies, by growing the virus in rabbits, then drying out the infected nerve tissue, and vaccinated people with it.

Jonas Salk and his polio vaccine (and the later, oral polio vaccine) have essentially eradicated the polio virus from (first world) societies. Hardly anyone in the world gets polio nowadays.

Need more experiments?

Proof: Smallpox and rinderpest have been completely eradicated by humans. Polio has been eradicated in the Americas, Europe, and East Asia- it's mainly a problem in Nigeria, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

I wonder what education level people in this thread have. Probably not college level. I'm sure no one in this thread has a science degree so they are puzzled by basic concepts.

You should buy this OP
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Here is a study on long term safety of vaccinations. Although there is a slight increase of a condition that might be harmful, it is a very rare illness even among people with vaccinations.

[link to www.vaccines.mil]

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TRUTH!

Thank you OP !

As to proof that inoculation has decreased infections, here is an interesting one I found.

[link to www.aafp.org]

Although the prevalence of Pertussis is still significant, the infection range has SHIFTED dramatically. Now instead of affecting the youngest, it mostly affects people before they are inoculated, and ones after the immunity wears off, at which point their body is much more able to fight it off on it's own, which has reduced the mortality rate.

Blogs are not a valid source of factual information

Not if they can't make a profit on it.

One school of thought is They have also changed the name to things like MS and Fibromyalgia as well as several others, symptoms are very similar to polio.