9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims

I think the idea behind fluoridation is that fluoride ions make makes the enamel on your teeth more resistant to acidic erosion.

Having said that, I did a research internship in college, and one of the other students also doing the internship presented his project, which showed that fluoride decreased bone density (he did this by exposing bone cells to fluoride, I forgot the exact method).

I've also seen many studies where fluoride has been linked to mental problems.

its getting pretty scary out there. i have watched several large social media type sites. not facebook but others where people post and talk in the millions and the pro-vaccine people are out for blood. there are tens of thousands just on the sites calling out for mandatory forced vaccinations. i am hearing ads on the radio every day from the govenrment saying flat out that if yo udo not vaccinate against flu you are literally killing other people's children. at best it's a major money making scam with the flu vaccines. billions for companies like baxter, the same one that was found to have all the live bird flu in their syringes. they should have ben permanently shut down for that but instead they just get more contracts. vaccines have also been known to be used as weapnos to deliver cancers and other biohazards. eugenics certainly could be the real dark side of them. people are so convinced of pro vaccine that i have even seen hundreds of them in forums calling for the death of those who refuse vaccines. there is no reasoning with these people. medical tyranny is cool with them. they have an answer for everything. what should they care if someone else doens't get a vacine if they are so convinced and get it for themselves and their famly. they say ok well then by not getting it you get infected and create a mutant strain that comes and kills his wife and kids. anyone who has any apprehension about vaccine whatsoever is called a retard or nut job etc. if this isnt just a bunch of sock puppets then we in big trouble cause these people gonna put on brown shirts and go door to door with syringes under penalty of death and believe they are angels from god doing it.

That link shows only an abstract. Are they using a typical "vaccine study placebo"? An injected placebo in a real scientific study would contain nothing but a saline solution isotonic with human blood, or just distilled water. In vaccines studies, the fraudulent 'placebo' usually contains no 'virus particles', but has ALL the horrifying crap that the vaccine has: mercury, formaldehyde, ammonia, etc. So, the adverse effects on the vaccine group and the placebo group are usually similar, leading to ridiculous conclusions about 'safety'. Find out what was in the 'placebo', and then evaluate the claims....

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Most don't realise this, nor want to believe it.

A few years ago some politicians in Germany made a big show of getting flu shots in an attempt to offset negative public opinion and resistance to the vaccine being promoted in a nationwide push for 100% flu vaccination.

Then it was disclosed that they had gotten "CLEAN" shots with no poisons or contaminants. These shots cost considerably more than what was being offered to the populace at a low cost or free since they don't contain the preservatives usually used and are not made in large quantities.

Shortly after, the program was shut down due to public hostility and widespread rejection of flu shots.

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I located a holistic veterinarian who does provide clean vaccines and although it costs twice as much, that's what my dogs get. With no mercury, formaldehyde, etc at least some risk is eliminated.

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So then, you actually only have 4 questions.

We have four cats still not sure how that happened hehe
and the only one who is normal, for a cat, is the only one who is not vax'd. I researched cat vax's and at this stage we will no longer vax them either. (they are wormed reg)

Our only cat who is fully vax'd contracted catflu a few months ago, she's 13, took care of her at home, kept separate from the other cats for the most part, was a rough couple of weeks but we got thru it. The unvax'd 2yr old cat was very interested in the sick queenbee, usually a boof head but kept trying to lick her face, caught him a few time doing it sneaky bugger and he never got sick.

Not sure where the catflu originated.

I didn't know that, thanks for the info. I could be wrong, but isn't it also possible that Polio and Small Pox were relatively unchanging, whereas the flu mutates from year to year?

BTW, I'm not a fan of vaccines at all, I prefer colloidal silver.

How you stupid fucks keep your unvaccinated children away from others then.

Your worse than the religious.

3. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

Smallpox here in the US.

Not just watered down, but something that contains the specific ANTIGEN that allows those B cells to recognize both the vaccine version, and the nasty version. Note that antigen is not synonymous with contagion. After B cells finish fighting off an initial infection (or antigen), they deviate and become memory B cells that just lie in wait until they "taste" that antigen again. This process is also why there is a need for "Boosters". They're building up the amount of B cells that are ready for a threat. This is why you'll see antibody titers increase exponentially after each booster. They're actually BUILDING an immune response against a threat. This is why some people tend to get really sick the first time they get a strain of a cold, and then the next one seems to be extremely mild.

Everyone's immune system is different. Because of this (and I'm not talking about immune impairment), some vaccines give weaker responses in some individuals than in others. Some don't take at all. Just as some people tend to get more sick during flu and cold season than others. Some people are just more adept at fighting them off, or have better nutrition, or better genes. Whatever the case, people seem to think that the medical community sees vaccines as a magic bullet. This is not the case. They see it as a major preventative that may not work as well in some people as in others. This of it like a bullet proof vest. But some people's vests may have holes, and some bullets deviate to hit uncovered parts of the body (aka, mutated pathogens).

Sorry, but that's some of the basics...

this is awesome.

It's not up to us cattle to question the ranchers. A good cow longs for silage, the tug of of the rancher on his/her udders, and nothing more. Now go get some 'bammercare!

Hi Folks,

Ive been running another thread for a while now centered on H5N1 Avian Influenza.

In that thread, the topic of vaccinations comes up fairly regularly.

Now before I proceed Id like to to be well understood, I have no particular bias for or against vaccinations per se.

Having a nursing background I have seen enough to keep a very open mind on this topic.

For what its worth here is my take on todays state of affairs as far as vacinations go.

Also, somewhere within the pages of that thread are some factual figures on the number of vaccinations that were given over different decade periods and the corresponding number of re-active negative incidences associated with them, they are very enlightening.

Moving on...

If for instance you were to look at tetnus then you would be a major supporter of vaccinations.

This is an anerobic bug that typically lives in an oxygen less environment such as at the top of a deep wound.

It will feed on the dead blood, grow and multiply then die and release its toxins, hence the term tet-tox vaccinations.

And they work, trust me tetnus toxin poisioning has a very painful and deadly impact on human bodies.

We have read on this thread abour MMR , Polio etc.

All of these vaccines have had massive beneficial impacts for humanity in general.

I believe that what we might be seeing these days is just greed in the form of the FAT COW syndrome with big pharma.

With vaccines like the annual flu vaccines, they must constitute a significant bread and butter bottom line on an annual basis for these massive conglomerates.

And...these same massive conglomerates are also in the top ten political donators to American political influences which absolutely has to gain them a pretty easy ride in terms of gaining approvals with limited testing for some of their various newer developments, and with that comes increased risk factors.

Right now we have several flu vaccinations that were prepared for current distribution that have failed their quality control measures and have been banned in several countries, after distribution, so these problems are real.

After these new products have USFDA approval it is reasonabally typical to see other countries simply "follow suit" with the American approval, without much independant research and voila, the world becomes your oyster if you are one of those massive conglomerates.

Those political donations are a drop in the ocean when put up against the profits that the doors they open will and do generate.

So, I think that really what we see are a combination of several things that are intermingled intricately and cannot be simply seperated as most who have posted here would like to have as a convenient argument for their personal perspectives.

This is a very complex situation with any number of interacting forces.

Yes, I believe that we receive far too many vacinations throughout the course of our lives these days and yes most of them do contain dangerous additives, but the human body is a marvelous organism and for the most part it can tollerate small doses of nasties from time to time, but there is a term for it, not usually associated in this particular theatre, but the word "polypharmacy" comes to mind.

Normally that term is reserved for when we might need to be taking several medicines all at once, well sometimes the combination of two or more prescribed medicines can interact and cause unwanted and even deadly side effects.

That is why we have pharmasists, that is their particular field of speciality, apart from actually dispensing restricted meds.

Getting back to the culumative nature of some substances.

Some people can tollerate certain things more than others, also as with for instance Mercury, it never leaves the body and will slowly accumulate to perhaps toxic levels in some people resulting in tragic circumstances.

Why the worry about mercury, well how much fish do you eat?

We are told that three meals of fish a week is balanced, but have a think about how high up the food chain the fish of your choice is.

Tuna, Marlin etc, the top feeders are very high in their mercury content because they eat tons of other fish lower down on the food chain, but they accumulate mercury and pass it on to you when you eat it.

Pregnant women and young children are often advised to restrict those fish dishes to less than weekly for just one meal, so that is a prectical way of demonstrating the cumulative affects that might be associated with anything we consume, including prahmaceutical products.

Sooner or later we get to see statistical figures that represent the risk factors.

What we do not need are our legslators mandating what we must consume according to their "ONE SIZE FIT ALL" mentality.

Personally, I believe that if any government chooses to enforce compolsary medication of any type, then any adverse affects must be their responsibility and they have a responsibility to provide for those unfortunate outcomes.

I wont argue that there is a need for a broad brush view of the better good for the majority, but put simply..."one size DOESENT fit all" and its time that those legslators got over it and accepted their role for the negative minority while providing for the better good of the majority.

To me that is a simple case of reasonable acceptance of the responsibility that they carry in the representation of the people that they serve, and those same people must also be prepared to shoulder some of that load as they are a part of the bigger picture as well.

Sorry for the big post.

If your vaccines work so well then you have absolutely nothing to worry about my unvaccinated children! BTW...I hope your children have better grammar (or just keep them away from the literate).

I've read that polio was already playing out before the vaccine was introduced. One of my children was doing a research paper in elementary school and found info that where sanitation is poor in parts of South America, polio is omnipresent and a routine childhood illness like chickenpox used to be, and both unavoidable and harmless in children under a year old [?] [It's been awhile and I don't have it in front of me.] I seriously doubt our "first world" sanitation is that much better and maybe a more natural "vaccine" as mentioned above is how every type of epidemic eventually plays out.

Good post. I asked a few similar questions during the last well child visit my youngest son had. It of course devolved into the pediatrician yelling at me that the CDC has everyone's best interests in mind and has done my research for me. Somehow I still doubt that, wonder why?

Gladly.

My unvaxed children have never had more than a regular ol cold, by the way. Even then the colds don't last long.

Can they explain, how a person not receiving the vaccine, is any threat to those that have?

If the 'smallpox blankets' story is true, native Americans died in such droves because it had never been on this continent and they had no immunity. Syphilis and gonnorhea: [don't know which is which] New world natives were immune to one of the 2, but "explorers" got it bad. In turn Old world visitors to the new world brought the other one ,which viciously attacked natives.

Vaccines are "weakened" strains of the virus, which means, that the people receiving them, are the carriers.

2 high profile class action lawsuit against Merck regarding questionable efficacy and falsified data:
[link to articles.mercola.com]

Since your vaccinated children are the carriers, that would be wise.

Same here with unvaxed vs vaxed.

Of course they can't.

Hi Arkay,

Good to see you here, once again your level-headedness shines right through.

Hi MzTreeChick,

thanks for the comments and good to read your excellent posts and contributions here too, you always bring valued information to all your posts, as youve done here again.

And, in spite of your own demanding health problems.

People should know just how difficult it is for you just to post anything , perhaps if they did theyd appreciate the importance of what great lengths you go to just to contrubute.

I applaude you for the sacrifices you make for the benefit of other people and can only encourage others to heed well any contribution that you do post.

cheers
arkay

Lol these people are my favorite, so wait, you got your kids vaccinated with the 100% effective (ROFL) vaccines, and you're worried that unvaccinated children are some how endangering your immune children? HAHAHAHA

You cannot have it both ways, either your vaccines work, or they don't. If they work, then why don't you just inject the chemical cocktail directly into your kids blood stream and then fuck right off?