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ORIGIN OF THE HOLIDAYS! "NOT HOLY DAYS"

 
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EVIL HOLIDAYS

Many people are shocked to discover the origins of our most popular religious holy days. They are also surprised to find that the days God commands us to observe in the Bible—the same days the Christ and the apostles kept—are almost universally ignored.
Why? Also, why are today's supposedly Christian holidays observed with so many rituals and customs that are not sanctioned anywhere in the Bible?



LIIUIU

Christian Holidays are ancient pagan feasts that were ushered in by the Roman Catholic Church during the rule of emperor Constantine. Constantine was a pagan sun-worshipper who had a "Christian experience" that wanted to unite his empire, both Christian and pagan together. He achieved this by re-writing history and re-naming pagan feasts with Christian names.

janux

NEW YEARS JAN 1ST
For those of you who never new the biblical new year is the spring season when everything starts growing again.

The first month of the festival year is Nisan. 15 Nisan is the start of the festival of Passover, corresponding to the full moon of Nisan. Passover is a festival celebrating the Exodus from Egypt, which took place in the spring, so the leap-month mentioned above is intercalated periodically to keep this festival in the northern hemisphere's spring season

The Bible designates Nisan, which it calls Aviv (Exodus 13:4), as the first month of the year (Exodus 12:2). At the same time, the season of the fall Festival of Booths (Sukkoth), is called "the end of the year" (Exodus 23:16).


The Romans dedicated January 1st to Janus, the god of gates, doors, and beginnings. After Julius Caesar reformed the calendar in 46 BC and was subsequently murdered, the Roman Senate voted to deify him on the 1st January 42 BC [2] in honor of his life and his institution of the new rationalized calendar.

[3] The month originally owes its name to the deity Janus, who had two faces, one looking forward and the other looking backward. This suggests that New Year's celebrations are founded on pagan traditions. Some have suggested this occurred in 153 BC, when it was stipulated that the two annual consuls (after whose names the years were identified) entered into office on that day, though no consensus exists on the matter.

[4] Dates in March, coinciding with the spring equinox, or commemorating the Annunciation of Jesus, along with a variety of Christian feast dates were used throughout the Middle Ages, though calendars often continued to display the months in columns running from January to December.[citation needed]

Among the 7th century pagans of Flanders and the Netherlands, it was the custom to exchange gifts at the New Year. This was a pagan custom deplored by Saint Eligius (died 659 or 660), who warned the Flemings and Dutchmen, "(Do not) make vetulas, [little figures of the Old Woman], little deer or iotticos or set tables [for the house-elf, compare Puck] at night or exchange New Year gifts or supply superfluous drinks [another Yule custom]." The quote is from the vita of Eligius written by his companion, Ouen.

Most countries in Western Europe officially adopted January 1 as New Year's Day somewhat before they adopted the Gregorian calendar. In England, the Feast of the Annunciation on March 25, was the first day of the new year until the adoption of the Gregorian calendar in 1752


VALEN

VALENTINE'S DAY
Pagans in Rome celebrated the evening of February 14th and February 15th and as an idolatrous festival in honor of Lupercus "the hunter of wolves". It was not until the reign of Pope Gelasius that the holiday became a "Christian" custom. "As far back as 496, Pope Gelasius changed Lupercalia on February 15th to St. Valentine's Day on February 14th." The original Saint Valentine was Nimrod, on this day in February, Semiramis, the mother of Tammuz, was said to have been purified and to have appeared for the first time in public with her son as the original "mother and child."


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MOTHER'S & FATHER'S DAY
Mother's Day dates back to ancient cultures in Greece and Rome. In both cultures, mother goddesses (Queen of Heaven). were worshipped during the springtime with religious festivals. The ancient Greeks paid tribute to the powerful goddess Rhea, the wife of Cronus, known as the Mother of the Gods (Queen of Heaven). Similarly, evidence of a three-day Roman festival in Mid-March called Hilaria, to honor the Roman goddess Magna Mater, or Great Mother, dates back to 250 BCE.

As Christianity spread throughout Europe, the celebration of the "Mother Church" replaced the pagan tradition of honoring mythological goddesses. The fourth Sunday in Lent (Weeping for Tammuz), a 40-day fasting period before Easter, became known as Mothering Sunday. To show appreciation for their mothers, they often brought gifts or a "mothering cake" (Jeremiah 7:18) and over time, it began to coincide with the celebration of the Mother Church. Mother's Day always falls on the second Sun-day of May, and like so many other holidays rooted in pagan sun-worship including Father's Day which always falls on the third Sun-day of June, usually fall on the day named in honor of their most powerful god -- The Sun!


joyyrt

EASTER SUNDAY
Easter or Ishtar, also known by her biblical name Semiramis and later called the "Queen of heaven" was the widow of Nimrod and mother of Tammuz. Easter is the bare breasted pagan fertility goddess of the east. Legend has it that she came out of heaven in a giant egg, landing in the Euphrates river at sunrise on the first Sunday after the vernal equinox, busted out, and turned a bird into an egg laying rabbit.

To honor this event, pagan sun-worshippers would go out early in the morning and face to the east to watch their sun-god arise over the horizon before having a mass (sacrifice) in which the priest of Easter would sacrifice three month old human infants and take the eggs of Easter and die them in the blood of the sacrificed infants. The blood-red colored Easter eggs would later hatch on December 25th, the same day her son Tammuz the reincarnate sun-god would be born...how convenient!

Easter married her son Tammuz who was by legend the reincarnate sun-god. Tammuz went pig hunting and was gored to death by a wild boar and that is why pagans eat ham on Easter. Because Tammuz was killed when he was forty years old, pagans fast one day for each of the years that he lived leading into Easter. This practice is known as Weeping for Tammuz by pagans but called Lent by Catholics.


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HALLOWEEN
All Saints' Day was followed by All-Souls' Day, November 2, unless that was a Sunday then it was November 3, this was another Catholic adaptation of pagan festivals for the dead. Prayers for the dead are an integral part of the traditional All Saint's Day services, which are scheduled in Catholic churches on November 1, and on the next Sunday. Halloween gets its name from the Catholic holiday, it is a Hallowed evening, because it precedes All Hallows' Day, thus: Hallow'en. Halloween is a pagan holiday to honor the dead and evil spirits. We are warned not to take part in customs and traditions like this in the Scripture.

take heed to yourself that you not be ensnared to follow them, after that they are destroyed from before you; and that you not inquire after their deities, saying, "How do these nations serve their dieties? I will do likewise." You shall not do so to eh'yeh asher eh'yeh your Elohim: for every abomination to the eh'yeh asher eh'yeh, which he hates, have they done to their deities; for even their sons and their daughters do they burn in the fire to their deities. (HIM Deuteronomy 12:30-31)

Halloween is a perfect example of what this passage is referring about. Pagans served their gods by honoring the evil spirits on Halloween. They did this by dressing up like the evil spirits and giving offerings to the evil spirits. This is why candy is given out on Halloween, as offerings for the evil spirits. The phrase trick or treat was attributed to this practice because pagans believed the evil spirits would do something bad (trick) to them if they did not leave an offering (treat) for them. I would rather honor the Most High.


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THANKSGIVING
The pagans in Rome celebrated their thanksgiving in early October. The holiday was dedicated to the goddess of the harvest, Ceres, and the holiday was called Cerelia. The Catholic church took over the pagan holiday and it became well established in England, where some of the pagan customs and rituals for this day were observed long after the Roman Empire had disappeared. In England the "Harvest Home" has been observed continuously for centuries.

In our own hemisphere, among the Aztecs of Mexico, the harvest took on a grimmer aspect. Each year a young girl, a representation of Xilonen, The goddess of the new corn, was beheaded. The Pawnees also sacrificed a girl. In a more temperate mood, the Cherokees of the American Southeast danced the Green Corn Dance and began the new year at harvest's end.

No wonder Chief Massasoit and his ninety braves felt right at home with the Pilgrim Fathers on that day in 1621!! Obviously, the idea for this "first Thanksgiving" did not just "pop" into the mind of Governor Bradford as most people believe! On the contrary Thanksgiving, in the guise of the pagan harvest festivals, can be traced right back to ancient Babylon and the worship of Semiramis!


BNVC

CHRISTMAS
Christmas was celebrated by pagan sun-worshippers for thousands of years before the Messiah was even born. It all started during the building of the tower of Babel. Nimrod supervised the operation and was called the sun-god and worshipped as such. To end this worship, Nimrod's uncle Shem, Noah's eldest son, killed Nimrod and cut his body into small pieces then scattered his body parts across the land.


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Ishtar or Easter, also known by her biblical name Semiramis was the widow of Nimrod. She was called the "Queen of heaven" and claimed to have been impregnated by Nimrod through the rays of the sun and later had a son by the name of Tammuz who had a miraculous birth on December 25th. Pagans believed that Nimrod was reincarnated as Tammuz and so Easter married her son Tammuz. Pagan sun-worshippers celebrated the birthday of the reincarnate sun-god on December 25th. Scripture is very clear that we are not to celebrate this particular holiday.

The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead the dough, to make cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to other deities, that they may provoke Me to anger. (HIM Jeremiah 7:18)

The passage above is obviously referring to making Christmas cookies and leaving those cookies and a glass of milk for Nimrod's widow Easter who was called the queen of heaven. The only difference is now those offerings are left for Santa (Satan) himself. Let's move on and read another passage from Scripture.

Thus says eh'yeh asher eh'yeh, "Do not learn the way of the gentiles, and do not be dismayed at the signs of the heaven; for the gentiles are dismayed at them. For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it not move. (HIM Jeremiah 10:2-4)

This passage is obviously referring to cutting down the Christmas tree, putting it on some sort of tree stand, and decorating it. Once you learn why it had become customary to use an erect evergreen tree that has a pointed end decorate it with big red balls you will realize the extent of the perversion in this holiday. The erect tree symbolizes Nimrod's erect masculinity. The tree was evergreen because evergreen trees are full of life year round, like Nimrod's penis. The tree was pointed at the end just like Nimrod's pecker. The big red balls that dangle off the tree, well you get the picture. This holiday is perversion at its best.

Every sun-god was born on December 25th. Amun-Ra, Horus, Mithra, Tammuz, and Zeus were born on December 25th. If there was one day that the Messiah was not born, it was December 25th. In fact the Scripture is quite clear that Messiah was born late September or early October on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.



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SUNDAY WORSHIP
Early believers kept Saturday as the Sabbath until March 7, 321 CE when Pope Constantine passed a law requiring believers to worship on Sunday, the day the pagans worshipped the sun-god. Believers still kept Saturday as the Sabbath until another law was passed eleven years later. This law signed into decree by Pope Constantine forbid believers to worship on the Sabbath (Saturday) and it was punishable by death by the Catholic Church. Many believers were burned to death by the Catholic Church for keeping the Sabbath.

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Christian Holidays are ancient pagan feasts that were ushered in by the Roman Catholic Church during the rule of emperor Constantine. Constantine was a pagan sun-worshipper who had a

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/14/2012 03:29 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

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Some good info there, but the 40 days of lent are representative of the 40 days that Jesus was in the desert, which itself alludes to the 40 years that Moses and the people spent in the desert after Exodus.

"easter" was a pagan festival for sure, but early Christians were celebrating "Passover", not easter, because they were mostly Jewish. In many countries even today this is still represented in the language. For example, "la pasqua" is the passover.

Iconoclastic purists would like to remove all vestiges of pagan mythology from Christianity, but that is not possible as everything is incredibly intertwined. Doing so would result in a society with zero culture: just you and your bible. Sort of Islamic in a sense.
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


OH PLEASE
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


OH PLEASE
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Somehow I already knew you wouldn't agree. But, that's fine, we don't agree on much..........LMAO!

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Some good info there, but the 40 days of lent are representative of the 40 days that Jesus was in the desert, which itself alludes to the 40 years that Moses and the people spent in the desert after Exodus.

"easter" was a pagan festival for sure, but early Christians were celebrating "Passover", not easter, because they were mostly Jewish. In many countries even today this is still represented in the language. For example, "la pasqua" is the passover.

Iconoclastic purists would like to remove all vestiges of pagan mythology from Christianity, but that is not possible as everything is incredibly intertwined. Doing so would result in a society with zero culture: just you and your bible. Sort of Islamic in a sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731


Sorry but it is used as another mask for tammuz look it up.They used alot of the bible facts and masked them with satanic celebrations.. lent has nothing to do with the 40 days messiah was in the wilderness

**8After Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, Ishtar put ashes on her head and mourned for 40 days, giving up all pleasures and food. But then, she discovers that she is pregnant. She declares that it is a miraculous conception and in celebration of this miraculous pregnancy, this divine fertility, she has an egg of gold made, calling it the golden egg of Ishtar***.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/14/2012 10:16 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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aaw, a couple of the monotheistic turds figured it out

keep searching and you'll find out a lot more about your
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


OH PLEASE
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Somehow I already knew you wouldn't agree. But, that's fine, we don't agree on much..........LMAO!

burnit
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No the bible and the commands of Eh'yeh and MESSIAH DISAGREES

and remember you said you wonder! So are you not sure? When truth is brought forth all you people jump to is aa automatic defense and say you are being judged.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/14/2012 10:20 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Some good info there, but the 40 days of lent are representative of the 40 days that Jesus was in the desert, which itself alludes to the 40 years that Moses and the people spent in the desert after Exodus.

"easter" was a pagan festival for sure, but early Christians were celebrating "Passover", not easter, because they were mostly Jewish. In many countries even today this is still represented in the language. For example, "la pasqua" is the passover.

Iconoclastic purists would like to remove all vestiges of pagan mythology from Christianity, but that is not possible as everything is incredibly intertwined. Doing so would result in a society with zero culture: just you and your bible. Sort of Islamic in a sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731


Sorry but it is used as another mask for tammuz look it up.They used alot of the bible facts and masked them with satanic celebrations.. lent has nothing to do with the 40 days messiah was in the wilderness

**8After Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, Ishtar put ashes on her head and mourned for 40 days, giving up all pleasures and food. But then, she discovers that she is pregnant. She declares that it is a miraculous conception and in celebration of this miraculous pregnancy, this divine fertility, she has an egg of gold made, calling it the golden egg of Ishtar***.
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Well, that sounds interesting, but "Lent" means to go slowly. It is a time of reflection, not mourning. The association with ashes comes from the fact that the palms of the previous year's Passion Sunday are burned and some of the ashes saved. Lent is a time of purification, not mourning. Just as the 40 years in the desert and the 40 days of Jesus, and the 40 days of the rains in Noah's time and so on.

It is obvious that pagans were brought into the Church and some of their myths were "christianised". This does not mean that those celebrations are in honour of those pagan deities. For most people, the pagan connection has been lost and a new connection has been made.

If you follow a very strict and puritanical interpretation of Christianity, stripping everything back to the bare minimum, there will be very little left and it is akin to the early iconoclasts, leaving simple people with little access to the comfort of the religion.
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Some good info there, but the 40 days of lent are representative of the 40 days that Jesus was in the desert, which itself alludes to the 40 years that Moses and the people spent in the desert after Exodus.

"easter" was a pagan festival for sure, but early Christians were celebrating "Passover", not easter, because they were mostly Jewish. In many countries even today this is still represented in the language. For example, "la pasqua" is the passover.

Iconoclastic purists would like to remove all vestiges of pagan mythology from Christianity, but that is not possible as everything is incredibly intertwined. Doing so would result in a society with zero culture: just you and your bible. Sort of Islamic in a sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731


Sorry but it is used as another mask for tammuz look it up.They used alot of the bible facts and masked them with satanic celebrations.. lent has nothing to do with the 40 days messiah was in the wilderness

**8After Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, Ishtar put ashes on her head and mourned for 40 days, giving up all pleasures and food. But then, she discovers that she is pregnant. She declares that it is a miraculous conception and in celebration of this miraculous pregnancy, this divine fertility, she has an egg of gold made, calling it the golden egg of Ishtar***.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Well, that sounds interesting, but "Lent" means to go slowly. It is a time of reflection, not mourning. The association with ashes comes from the fact that the palms of the previous year's Passion Sunday are burned and some of the ashes saved. Lent is a time of purification, not mourning. Just as the 40 years in the desert and the 40 days of Jesus, and the 40 days of the rains in Noah's time and so on.

It is obvious that pagans were brought into the Church and some of their myths were "christianised". This does not mean that those celebrations are in honour of those pagan deities. For most people, the pagan connection has been lost and a new connection has been made.

If you follow a very strict and puritanical interpretation of Christianity, stripping everything back to the bare minimum, there will be very little left and it is akin to the early iconoclasts, leaving simple people with little access to the comfort of the religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731

Well I am sorry but we are told to follow the will of the father

jeremiah chapter 10
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
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No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.

I won't go into it any deeper because I don't think it would be well received here anyway.

Hows everything going with you? Any offers on that house?
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Some good info there, but the 40 days of lent are representative of the 40 days that Jesus was in the desert, which itself alludes to the 40 years that Moses and the people spent in the desert after Exodus.

"easter" was a pagan festival for sure, but early Christians were celebrating "Passover", not easter, because they were mostly Jewish. In many countries even today this is still represented in the language. For example, "la pasqua" is the passover.

Iconoclastic purists would like to remove all vestiges of pagan mythology from Christianity, but that is not possible as everything is incredibly intertwined. Doing so would result in a society with zero culture: just you and your bible. Sort of Islamic in a sense.
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Sorry but it is used as another mask for tammuz look it up.They used alot of the bible facts and masked them with satanic celebrations.. lent has nothing to do with the 40 days messiah was in the wilderness

**8After Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, Ishtar put ashes on her head and mourned for 40 days, giving up all pleasures and food. But then, she discovers that she is pregnant. She declares that it is a miraculous conception and in celebration of this miraculous pregnancy, this divine fertility, she has an egg of gold made, calling it the golden egg of Ishtar***.
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Well, that sounds interesting, but "Lent" means to go slowly. It is a time of reflection, not mourning. The association with ashes comes from the fact that the palms of the previous year's Passion Sunday are burned and some of the ashes saved. Lent is a time of purification, not mourning. Just as the 40 years in the desert and the 40 days of Jesus, and the 40 days of the rains in Noah's time and so on.

It is obvious that pagans were brought into the Church and some of their myths were "christianised". This does not mean that those celebrations are in honour of those pagan deities. For most people, the pagan connection has been lost and a new connection has been made.

If you follow a very strict and puritanical interpretation of Christianity, stripping everything back to the bare minimum, there will be very little left and it is akin to the early iconoclasts, leaving simple people with little access to the comfort of the religion.
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Well I am sorry but we are told to follow the will of the father

jeremiah chapter 10
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Even the Hebrew religion is based on a lot of older cults that preceded it in many ways. You cannot separate the wheat from the tares until the day of the harvest. In the meantime the believers may take what comfort they find and it is the will of the Father that all should be "saved".
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.

I won't go into it any deeper because I don't think it would be well received here anyway.

Hows everything going with you? Any offers on that house?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Nope, no offers :(

We took it off the market mid-October. The last 2 families that came through SAID they were going to make an offer, but seemed like they were waiting for each other to go first? Eventually the one family made an offer on another house; however, upon inspection it had major issues, and so they came back to our house. Our house past inspection with flying colors, so they again said we would have an offer within a week....that's been nearly 3 weeks ago now. Not a word from them since.......

Bleh.
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Sorry but it is used as another mask for tammuz look it up.They used alot of the bible facts and masked them with satanic celebrations.. lent has nothing to do with the 40 days messiah was in the wilderness

**8After Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, Ishtar put ashes on her head and mourned for 40 days, giving up all pleasures and food. But then, she discovers that she is pregnant. She declares that it is a miraculous conception and in celebration of this miraculous pregnancy, this divine fertility, she has an egg of gold made, calling it the golden egg of Ishtar***.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Well, that sounds interesting, but "Lent" means to go slowly. It is a time of reflection, not mourning. The association with ashes comes from the fact that the palms of the previous year's Passion Sunday are burned and some of the ashes saved. Lent is a time of purification, not mourning. Just as the 40 years in the desert and the 40 days of Jesus, and the 40 days of the rains in Noah's time and so on.

It is obvious that pagans were brought into the Church and some of their myths were "christianised". This does not mean that those celebrations are in honour of those pagan deities. For most people, the pagan connection has been lost and a new connection has been made.

If you follow a very strict and puritanical interpretation of Christianity, stripping everything back to the bare minimum, there will be very little left and it is akin to the early iconoclasts, leaving simple people with little access to the comfort of the religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731

Well I am sorry but we are told to follow the will of the father

jeremiah chapter 10
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Even the Hebrew religion is based on a lot of older cults that preceded it in many ways. You cannot separate the wheat from the tares until the day of the harvest. In the meantime the believers may take what comfort they find and it is the will of the Father that all should be "saved".
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read your bible and not the philosophies of greecian and roman heatherns...Funny in seminary Plato is a prerequisite to finish your degree
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.

I won't go into it any deeper because I don't think it would be well received here anyway.

Hows everything going with you? Any offers on that house?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


that was your own flesh compromising but that does not make it scriptural
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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What is disturbing and aamazing is these people who never have scriptural study to support their own vain philosyphies.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.


 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I understand what you are saying...... must be careful though to not sink into "universalism".....
Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.

I won't go into it any deeper because I don't think it would be well received here anyway.

Hows everything going with you? Any offers on that house?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Nope, no offers :(

We took it off the market mid-October. The last 2 families that came through SAID they were going to make an offer, but seemed like they were waiting for each other to go first? Eventually the one family made an offer on another house; however, upon inspection it had major issues, and so they came back to our house. Our house past inspection with flying colors, so they again said we would have an offer within a week....that's been nearly 3 weeks ago now. Not a word from them since.......

Bleh.
 Quoting: Shamar


That stinks. Keep the faith tho, if you're meant to move, you will.

hf
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What sources did you get your info from?
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hf
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Op new years day too? Damn we been duped!
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Op new years day too? Damn we been duped!
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.

I won't go into it any deeper because I don't think it would be well received here anyway.

Hows everything going with you? Any offers on that house?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Why this fake believer Lisa Lisa always on people thread trying to be the comforter for sinners? Always trying to make people feel good in their sin
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Op new years day too? Damn we been duped!
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Yes we have been duped! but study the bible and you will see all the folly we been thought as truth..peace!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, Messiah's *blood* did not clean these days.....

:(
 Quoting: Shamar


I don't know, but something happened to me last year that made me wonder, a very personal experience.

It made me think that maybe everything isn't as black and white as some people like to think it is.

More of a condition of the heart.

I won't go into it any deeper because I don't think it would be well received here anyway.

Hows everything going with you? Any offers on that house?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Why this fake believer Lisa Lisa always on people thread trying to be the comforter for sinners? Always trying to make people feel good in their sin
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Lisa is and will be Lisa, but one day she will see the bigger picture.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't participate in the holidays either Neim.

But, I do wonder if Jesus made these clean by His blood for His people that want to appreciate Him to honor His birth and His resurrection.

I don't judge. It's a matter of the heart for each individual.

hf
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OH PLEASE
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Somehow I already knew you wouldn't agree. But, that's fine, we don't agree on much..........LMAO!

burnit
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Does It Matter to God?

We have a choice. We can choose the feast days instituted by God or the holidays substituted by men. The choices we make affect our destiny and impact our relationship with our Creator.

Over the last two millennia, traditional Christianity has systematically laid aside the "feast days of the Lord" and established its own holidays. Christmas was established to enable pagan converts to come into church fellowship without forsaking their heathen customs and practices. Easter is a replacement for the biblical Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread.

Even the weekly Sabbath was abandoned in favor of Sunday, the pagan day of the sun, supposedly to commemorate Jesus' resurrection (though, as we demonstrated earlier, it took place not on Sunday morning but at the end of the weekly Sabbath at sunset Saturday).

Although we should immediately recognize that overruling God's instructions is dangerous behavior, let's consider, from the biblical record, whether such inventions and alterations are acceptable worship to our Creator God.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Gave you 5 stars op.

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Does It Matter to God?

We have a choice. We can choose the feast days instituted by God or the holidays substituted by men. The choices we make affect our destiny and impact our relationship with our Creator.

Over the last two millennia, traditional Christianity has systematically laid aside the "feast days of the Lord" and established its own holidays. Christmas was established to enable pagan converts to come into church fellowship without forsaking their heathen customs and practices. Easter is a replacement for the biblical Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread.

Even the weekly Sabbath was abandoned in favor of Sunday, the pagan day of the sun, supposedly to commemorate Jesus' resurrection (though, as we demonstrated earlier, it took place not on Sunday morning but at the end of the weekly Sabbath at sunset Saturday).

Although we should immediately recognize that overruling God's instructions is dangerous behavior, let's consider, from the biblical record, whether such inventions and alterations are acceptable worship to our Creator God.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


The Gentiles were never instructed to keep the Sabbaths of the Law by the Apostle's...so to say "Over the last two millennia...Christianity has laid these Sabbath days aside" is way off base. While the Catholics decreed that the weekly sabbath not be observed...this was directed at the Christians of Jewish descent as a way to extinguish the fact that Christianity is in fact a form of Jewish faith.

Colossians 2:16
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Acts 15:27-29
(27) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
(28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
(29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Notice nowhere in this list of these four key things do they say the sabbaths from the law or circumcision?

Jesus rose on the first day of the week while it was still dark out. The Jewish day begins at sunset. You cannot change that.
Mark 16:9
(9) Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Mark 2:27-28
(27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath was intended to be a day of rest and a day for man's good not for his ensnarement or condemnation, but we have entered into his rest. (Heb 4:10) As such was are to honor and keep all days holy.

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