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A quick question for all the believers out there

 
yourgodisobsolete
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A quick question for all the believers out there
If angels do not have free will, then why did Lucifer?
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Re: A quick question for all the believers out there
yawwwnnnn....


you will always wonder until you die

then we will settle matters
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Re: A quick question for all the believers out there
Ive asked this too lol
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Re: A quick question for all the believers out there
Maybe he didn't/doesn't. I think its in Job where he asks or is instructed by God to test Job. I'm a big believer that everything is ultimately for the highest good. That means evil ultimately answers to a higher authority.

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Re: A quick question for all the believers out there
If angels do not have free will, then why did Lucifer?
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Because god could not brainwash lucifer.
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Re: A quick question for all the believers out there
If angels do not have free will, then why did Lucifer?
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Angels do have free will, why do you think satan takes a third of them with him?
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11/14/2012 03:19 AM
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Re: A quick question for all the believers out there
Lucifer was the highest angel created and since he and all other angelic beings have seen the actual face of God they are said to have been of the 2nd birth, just like all men will be by the end of the Great White Throne. (to even enter the place you have to be sinless, a great many are woken up in a pure state right there so there is no time for them to sin so seeing God means they enter the new earth instead of being sent to the lake. Men will be equal to angels in that they are of the 2nd birth and know good and evil but they have the advantage over angels in that they can have children, Angels were not given in marriage so they are childless, just like the population that is alive for the 1,000 years and that is because in the new earth that whole population will reside inside new Jerusalem for eternity and it is the ones who live outside the walls that will be having children, 100 for each couple that get married at age 20 and become immortal at 120. They are born eternal like Adam so they need food, after 120 you eat because you like the taste.

Satan fell because God made them as 'brute beasts' so that means they were immortal but they were not given the emotions that a shepherd needs to 'properly' take care of. Satan would have 'resented' men being given a quality that allowed for children and dominion over others.(male and female that are in complete agreement)

Men get the 2nd birth and a new earth that needs to be the size for and population that increases for eternity, that just happens to include what is the home of Angelic beings in what was their 'home'. The angels that didn't fall are said to be at the GWT (Hebrews 12) so that is going to be the new heaven for them and if mankind is perfected then so are Angels and that means if the marriage ban was lifted they could be given in marriage and have one child, just like God and the Holy Spirit had Christ as their child. The witness of God is in Ge.1, the witness of the Holy Spirit is in Ge.2 and the witness of Christ is in Proverbs 8 (last half as the first half is telling us that wisdom is present in the chapter. Perhaps we should leave the topic of God and the Holy Spirit having 'parents' that are part of a city for another thread.

Satan and the fallen angels will live like they did in the time between being cast to eath and the flood, they will be joined by all the other fallen angels but their children (the Giants) should be able to be redeemed back to mankind because they has human mothers. No children will be born in the fiery lake because no humans will be there and they will not be given in marriage so they will not be able to have children on their own.

Last Edited by MHz on 11/14/2012 03:24 AM