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Handouts? Baits. But any fisher knows that the fish may escape at some harm ... it is enough to retire the traitors, scarce harm for those that suffer them more than enjoy.
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The next stage in Europe won't be these kind of strikes, it will be like what happened in the UK in the summer of 2011. Most people outside (and inside) the UK still don't realise what actually happened, why it happened, how close the authorities came to losing control nationwide and how vulnerable the entire edifice of civilisation and all of it's infrastructure was.

In a nutshell the 2011 disorder in the UK was younger people who basically just said a big fat "fuck it all".
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What happened in 2011 in UK was negros destroying stuff. Not enough of them in the South.
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Nope. Watch the footage; plenty of white people and Asians too.
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So what drew them back into the system?

If you can't answer that clearly, it means they were never really out of it, just taking a breather and putting on a show.
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What? Are you utterly retarded? What 'drew them back into the system' is a non question. What made the violence subside was flooding the streets with police (something that was going to be impossible to sustain or expand beyond the existing trouble spots). The violence petered out but the reasons for it are still there, have got worse and affect more people. A breakdown is not going to be a clean thing. There will be riots and disorder, they will stop, they will start again, and stop, and start again.. then one time they won't stop. They will reach critical mass and have a life of their own.

I've explained again and again how, if the violence hadn't have been stamped out - by force as it was - when it was. If it had of just continued for a few more days or spread quicker so that more areas were involved, then the MET in London would not have been able to draw on the reserves from TWENTY SEVEN other British police forces. They would have failed to regain control of London. The people who weren't looting and rioting, those held up in their apartments, would have run out of food and been forced to join in looting to get essentials. The logistics would have broken down - buses had already been pulled from most places - do you think logistics companies would have kept sending in trucks to a lawless area? They would have been lining up on the M40 and M1 - outside of London. As people started to defend their own streets - as they were starting to do on the last day - violence would have spread.

Gangs and other criminals would have seized advantage and stoked the fire (just as they did in the break-up of Yugoslavia). This would have spread nationwide. Once the food and fuel supplies stopped there would be no turning back - "anarchy in the UK" (to quote the Sex Pistols) would have become a reality.

You see, in these things there are masses of people who wait to see which way the wind is blowing before they join in. It happens in all aspects of life. When they saw vital services and supplies breaking down a lot of people would have joined in.

You are right, it started as blacks just looking for an excuse to riot, but it had the potential to turn into something completely different and very nearly did. Given the growing anger amongst the young especially, and the cuts to police etc, do you seriously think that it won't happen again, and when it does, do you seriously think it will just 'die out' again?
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And the northern European banks were massively involved in this fraud in places like Spain. They knew perfectly well massive fraud was going on. And they got their bailouts from the U.S. Federal Reserve. I didn't hear any German or others whining when they grabbed their bailouts. I didn't hear anyone whining that the Germans and others should have known better and that they should take their medicine. No, that got a complete bailout of their private gambling losses with public money. I'm referring to the big banks and financial institutions of course, but private citizens in places like Germany greatly benefited for decades from this bank fraud, it was one of the main pillars of their economies, along with exporting to other EU nations.
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The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
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Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
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The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
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You know shit. The storm will come at you too eventually and you will eat up your words pretty nicely.
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Re: portugal, spain, greece totally full stop today, 16 other countries also on strike. europe shutting down
The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Let me put it another way... The North made a bet on the south and lost. You leave the casino of the south without a shirt.

This is what happens when you gamble. No money for you! Next!!!
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IT'S CANADAAAAAAA, ON STRIKE.
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So you are hypocrites as all your doing is giving fake money to your own banks and nation states whilst pandering this Euro BS.
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Untrue. We want out of the Euro. Noon asked us in the first place if we want the Euro. The Euro was and is a political project that was doomed to fail due to the massive difference in Europe.

You could have a Euro with Northern European countries but not with Southern Europe.
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Whole lot of nothing going on:

[link to rt.com]

Seems like the liesurely theme of the day is to get your picture taken in front of the Huelga Nacional sign.

yawn

Maybe it is siesta time.
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The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Let me put it another way... The North made a bet on the south and lost. You leave the casino of the south without a shirt.

This is what happens when you gamble. No money for you! Next!!!
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You are a greek australian, aren't you?
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Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Let me put it another way... The North made a bet on the south and lost. You leave the casino of the south without a shirt.

This is what happens when you gamble. No money for you! Next!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous 26771446


You are a greek australian, aren't you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Nope, visited many years ago and the rest is history. My point is that when I'm there I see people working, raising there families, planning a future and hearing people casting them as fat lazy whatevers is not indicative of the truth.
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My austrian friend seeems NOT to understand somefacts.

My country, Romaniua, was the MAIN source of food in Europe between ww1 and ww2 and couple years after ww2, up until commies got us.

Back than, it was the second economy in Europe, and i think the fifth curenncy in the world.

Now, when the Europe will break apart (not if), my country will NOT side with Germany and to what Germany represents (N. Europe) because, well, after 7.4 million people voted to impeach the president, Merkel put presure to keep him in the office.

Italy and Spain can produce FUCKLOADS of food and meat, same as Romania.Greece can produce tons of olives.Romania have the LARGEST gold, silver and rare metals in Europe.

Do you know WHY Romania, Italy, Spain and Greece (and i might easily add Portugal - wines and corn, Ireland - sheeps) CANNOT produce as much food as they want? Or mine as much gold as they want?

Because the mutant that is EU FORCED them not to do so, promising AND deliver them all kinds of programms and money.

Everything was FINE with that.We cut back (hard) our production (if we hand't, Germany would had 20-30% unemployment) in exchange for the MONEY.


Now, the things are WAAAAAAY different.They had NO MORE MONEY LEFT to "bribe" us, but we already have dozens of years of destroyed agriculture, oil production and mining.We had nothing left to produce with and they have no more money to give us.

The ONLY reason WHY Germany (and N.Eu countries) are doing so well, is because they PAID southern gov. to DESTROY their own countries in roder to KEEEP SOCIAL PEACE in the northern countries.

When the time will come and EU will break up, make no mistake my friend : the SOUTH have EVERYTHING THEY NEED, while the North have squat.

I understand that you live in a small country and you cannot comprehend the HUGE MASS of agricultiral land that is in Spain or Italy.

France and Germany are big countries but their land is NOT SUITABLE for intensive agriculture or feed huge heards of cows.The north is TOO COLD to do that.

As for the food being imported from north...check WHO PRODUCES THE GOODS that are imported from north.

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Something to the tune of "Don Gato" :)
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France and Germany are big countries but their land is NOT SUITABLE for intensive agriculture or feed huge heards of cows.The north is TOO COLD to do that.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
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France and Germany are big countries but their land is NOT SUITABLE for intensive agriculture or feed huge heards of cows.The north is TOO COLD to do that.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
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Indeed.
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Nope, visited many years ago and the rest is history. My point is that when I'm there I see people working, raising there families, planning a future and hearing people casting them as fat lazy whatevers is not indicative of the truth.
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The point is not that anyone is lazy, its just a different mind set. It is not possible for the Southern countries to compete with the North. But that also means that they wont have the same lkiving standard and that is where there anger comes from. You can not become rich by exporting olives and goat milk.
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The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Hah, it is because we can't sum that Germany is begging for Spain's engineers and architects... those that took the easy path of living on the imaginary magical properties of money were others, not us.
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What happened in 2011 in UK was negros destroying stuff. Not enough of them in the South.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Nope. Watch the footage; plenty of white people and Asians too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23992770


So what drew them back into the system?

If you can't answer that clearly, it means they were never really out of it, just taking a breather and putting on a show.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27304459


What? Are you utterly retarded? What 'drew them back into the system' is a non question. What made the violence subside was flooding the streets with police (something that was going to be impossible to sustain or expand beyond the existing trouble spots). The violence petered out but the reasons for it are still there, have got worse and affect more people. A breakdown is not going to be a clean thing. There will be riots and disorder, they will stop, they will start again, and stop, and start again.. then one time they won't stop. They will reach critical mass and have a life of their own.

I've explained again and again how, if the violence hadn't have been stamped out - by force as it was - when it was. If it had of just continued for a few more days or spread quicker so that more areas were involved, then the MET in London would not have been able to draw on the reserves from TWENTY SEVEN other British police forces. They would have failed to regain control of London. The people who weren't looting and rioting, those held up in their apartments, would have run out of food and been forced to join in looting to get essentials. The logistics would have broken down - buses had already been pulled from most places - do you think logistics companies would have kept sending in trucks to a lawless area? They would have been lining up on the M40 and M1 - outside of London. As people started to defend their own streets - as they were starting to do on the last day - violence would have spread.

Gangs and other criminals would have seized advantage and stoked the fire (just as they did in the break-up of Yugoslavia). This would have spread nationwide. Once the food and fuel supplies stopped there would be no turning back - "anarchy in the UK" (to quote the Sex Pistols) would have become a reality.

You see, in these things there are masses of people who wait to see which way the wind is blowing before they join in. It happens in all aspects of life. When they saw vital services and supplies breaking down a lot of people would have joined in.

You are right, it started as blacks just looking for an excuse to riot, but it had the potential to turn into something completely different and very nearly did. Given the growing anger amongst the young especially, and the cuts to police etc, do you seriously think that it won't happen again, and when it does, do you seriously think it will just 'die out' again?
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I'm not retarded. Rather the opposite. But anyway, I have not read your posts about that, I surely had a different AC number then, so did you ...

I won't argue your claim that police coverage was about to break. I won't argue with you at all, your style is a bit strong for me, but I did find your post educational though leaving some unanswered questions in my mind.

Have a good day.
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Re: portugal, spain, greece totally full stop today, 16 other countries also on strike. europe shutting down
France and Germany are big countries but their land is NOT SUITABLE for intensive agriculture or feed huge heards of cows.The north is TOO COLD to do that.
 Quoting: recollector


You don't know what you are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


And you don't understand what INTENSIVE is.

They can produce some food, to feed about 60 mil people/year.However, they kinda have like 150 mil people alltogheter? If they need to FEED their whole population, they need INTENSIVE agriculture which they CANNOT because their land is NOT THAT GOOD.


Germany (thru german banks) destoyed Spain agriculture.I was in Spain in 1998, 2004 and 2010.Back in 1998, there were HUGE farms.When I was in 2010...all was DESERTED !

The germans indebted spanish farmers, lend them money to invest in the farms.Years later, Germany LOWERED the imports of food from Spain and went to eastern Europe (much cheaper food).The spanish farmers went bankrupt and now, the german corporations are buying spanish land at 10% value.

Once they did that, years later, easten EU was in same position.germany LOWERED the imports of food from eastern EU and went to Africa.The eastern EU agriculture is in samee spot as spanish one : bankrupt and the land is sold at crap prices...to, guess who : investors from Germany and France.


THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!
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The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
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Hah, it is because we can't sum that Germany is begging for Spain's engineers and architects... those that took the easy path of living on the imaginary magical properties of money were others, not us.
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Well .. with so many engineers and architects without job here and in germany i can guarantee, nobody except leftist media supporting the euro idea is begging for people with mediocre knowledge and no language skills.


There is no begging .. it s an brussels idea to make it look like solidarity, which you would know if you had read the statements provided.
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Can we now stop the bashing tards? Debt problem is a worldwide phenomenon ffs, the euro just helped this bubble to blow earlier, while both of north and south Europeans are being sucked dry by the same Brussels banksters until this happens, everyone will be affected, everyone who doesn't think so needs a check and medicine and stop living in a bubble-dream.
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The younger generation sits there doing nothing since decades in these countries. They are just angry that they can't continue doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


Thats ignorant typical N.European BS.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It is the truth.

I take any any pole, czech, or guy from hungary before taking an italian, spanish ..

Lazy loudmouths .. all of them.

Only thing driving them is how to get the most for the least effort.

Trust me.

I know very well what i am talking about.

Because it is not the hours you work that matter as the "poor south" always blames .. oh we work so many hours more than you !

It is productivity and efficiency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


Hah, it is because we can't sum that Germany is begging for Spain's engineers and architects... those that took the easy path of living on the imaginary magical properties of money were others, not us.
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Germany is begging for Spain's engineers? I didn't know that, is it true? I remember reading such a comment last year in some other intra-European argument here, and it was surprising to me then too.

Architects I would believe, if someone wanted to build in Spanish style. Architects are glorified artists anyway. That's my perspective as an engineer.
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<quote>Hah, it is because we can't sum that Germany is begging for Spain's engineers and architects... those that took the easy path of living on the imaginary magical properties of money were others, not us.</quote>

I haven't seen such a shitload of crap in a long time.
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France and Germany are big countries but their land is NOT SUITABLE for intensive agriculture or feed huge heards of cows.The north is TOO COLD to do that.
 Quoting: recollector


You don't know what you are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528


And you don't understand what INTENSIVE is.

They can produce some food, to feed about 60 mil people/year.However, they kinda have like 150 mil people alltogheter? If they need to FEED their whole population, they need INTENSIVE agriculture which they CANNOT because their land is NOT THAT GOOD.
 Quoting: recollector


Where do you get your "information" from?

Germany produces enough food since decades.

The fertilizer was invented in Germany.
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Germany is begging for Spain's engineers? I didn't know that, is it true? I remember reading such a comment last year in some other intra-European argument here, and it was surprising to me then too.

Architects I would believe, if someone wanted to build in Spanish style. Architects are glorified artists anyway. That's my perspective as an engineer.
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It is not .. we have dozens unemployed architects driving taxis already.
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No language skills? Hah, we had our language established eons before others ... you must be meaning they don't speak german ... should they? Ridiculous.

Pues anda más un caballero que vive un bribón.
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Can we now stop the bashing tards? Debt problem is a worldwide phenomenon ffs, the euro just helped this bubble to blow earlier, while both of north and south Europeans are being sucked dry by the same Brussels banksters until this happens, everyone will be affected, everyone who doesn't think so needs a check and medicine and stop living in a bubble-dream.
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Debt problem is actually fairly recent in the USA. I remember during Clinton's administration we were in "danger" of paying off the national debt. Clinton actually went on TV and explained that he was reversing policy and would now seek to run deficits rather than surpluses, because if we extinguished much more debt the 30 year US Treasury bond market would be adversely affected.

I kid you not. He said that, and my jaw dropped watching the speech live. And then he did it.

And that was the beginning of the slide into destruction for the USA economy.
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No language skills? Hah, we had our language established eons before others ... you must be meaning they don't speak german ... should they? Ridiculous.

Pues anda más un caballero que vive un bribón.
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A Spaniard is asking if an immigrant should be expected to speak German in Germany.

The EU project, in microcosm right there. It never had a chance of working.
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Re: portugal, spain, greece totally full stop today, 16 other countries also on strike. europe shutting down
<quote>Hah, it is because we can't sum that Germany is begging for Spain's engineers and architects... those that took the easy path of living on the imaginary magical properties of money were others, not us.</quote>

I haven't seen such a shitload of crap in a long time.
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Crap is to destroy the lives of millions of people to satisfy the stupidity of far less a number of others and still deny. Wait for the awakening, it is coming.
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Re: portugal, spain, greece totally full stop today, 16 other countries also on strike. europe shutting down
I am not asking anything ... I am just stating how confounded some are of where their place is.

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