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No language skills? Hah, we had our language established eons before others ... you must be meaning they don't speak german ... should they? Ridiculous.

Pues anda más un caballero que vive un bribón.
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A Spaniard is asking if an immigrant should be expected to speak German in Germany.

The EU project, in microcosm right there. It never had a chance of working.
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The price germany had to pay after losing WW II

Feeding the rest of europe and get it`s wealth stolen.

Well. times are changing for good.
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Nope, visited many years ago and the rest is history. My point is that when I'm there I see people working, raising there families, planning a future and hearing people casting them as fat lazy whatevers is not indicative of the truth.
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The point is not that anyone is lazy, its just a different mind set. It is not possible for the Southern countries to compete with the North. But that also means that they wont have the same lkiving standard and that is where there anger comes from. You can not become rich by exporting olives and goat milk.
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That’s great to hear you are happy with your limited mind set, adapted to your geographic latitude and confined to your living standard. That you like to show off your ignorance is beyond me. sheep
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I am not asking anything ... I am just stating how confounded some are of where their place is.
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You are promoting reconquista in Europe?

We have the Mexicans trying to do that here, because they occupied part of southern California or southern Texas for something like 20 years way back when. I think that's the story.
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Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other! hf
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Can we now stop the bashing tards? Debt problem is a worldwide phenomenon ffs, the euro just helped this bubble to blow earlier, while both of north and south Europeans are being sucked dry by the same Brussels banksters until this happens, everyone will be affected, everyone who doesn't think so needs a check and medicine and stop living in a bubble-dream.
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Debt problem is actually fairly recent in the USA. I remember during Clinton's administration we were in "danger" of paying off the national debt. Clinton actually went on TV and explained that he was reversing policy and would now seek to run deficits rather than surpluses, because if we extinguished much more debt the 30 year US Treasury bond market would be adversely affected.

I kid you not. He said that, and my jaw dropped watching the speech live. And then he did it.

And that was the beginning of the slide into destruction for the USA economy.
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Scary and i'm sure your are not kidding me, this though was not the beginning of destruction of only the US economy, dollar is the world's currency, everyone is affected if US economy have problems, but our eurocrats in Brussels wanted to bring the collapse sooner by installing a currency that every fucking economist on earth at that time said it's problematic while at the same time they looting Europeans in daylight for their agenda. It's super fucking retarded to say that 150 million people are lazy and have mentality issues, seriously everyone still parroting this BS from their MSM after 3-4 years of crisis is a sheep of unimaginable proportions, problem lies elsewhere ffs, get off your high horses, whole Europe will go down eventually, stop parroting sheepy agenda.
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Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other! hf
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So in practical terms, does that mean the Germans should continue to bail out the Spaniards, or not?
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Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other! hf
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Americans understand nothing about the world. Keep to your imaginary Hollywood version of how people are, and leave the rest of the world alone!
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I am not promoting anything ... but if you think the many manipulations practiced over many countries by the founders of the CEE (and corresponding powers that be) have not at last be fully understood by thousands in those countries, you better get acquainted with being wrong ... it is in YOUR interest. You can read, as a primer, what our Romanian contributor has written above. Be wise.
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Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other! hf
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Don’t worry. We are used to it. It’s called resilience.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. speedbanan
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Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other! hf
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Americans understand nothing about the world. Keep to your imaginary Hollywood version of how people are, and leave the rest of the world alone!
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That stereotype is not universally true.
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I am not promoting anything ... but if you think the many manipulations practiced over many countries by the founders of the CEE (and corresponding powers that be) have not at last be fully understood by thousands in those countries, you better get acquainted with being wrong ... it is in YOUR interest. You can read, as a primer, what our Romanian contributor has written above. Be wise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26203032


I'm fairly well aware of the manipulations. I was following this in 1997. After trying over and over to implement the euro, and having it not "take" repeatedly because the idea is frankly ridiculous, suddenly the southern countries were able to agree to terms.

We now know that some mismarked derivatives had something to that. Not really covering up the facts, but allowing an excuse for willful blindness by those able to make the decisions.

This whole thing was never put to a popular vote except in Ireland, where they revoted because the people didn't see the light the first time.
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Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other! hf
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Americans understand nothing about the world. Keep to your imaginary Hollywood version of how people are, and leave the rest of the world alone!
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Oh really?? And you learned that where? Some of us have been around and our eyes are wide open. You just displayed exactly what I was trying to point out...sheesh! whatever
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Europe together only in protest, how strange banana2
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Europe together only in protest, how strange banana2
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I didn't know San Marino is a country. I thought it was just an upscale neighborhood in Pasadena, California.
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Europe together only in protest, how strange banana2
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Only freeloaders and leeches demanding more *gimme gimme more free stuff*
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Don't feed the trolls.

American's and Canadians talk about changing things. Then we sit back and watch how real people go about making change.

If America could unite, in force, on just ONE single issue like they do in Europe - stand up and march in the streets everywhere, then perhaps something in America would change.
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OWS was more ambitious than this in a way, they actually occupied space for an extended period. But it's fizzled.
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Thank goodness, in this case. OWS was misguided and infiltrated to the core. Now if just plain old Americans had gotten together back in 2008 before all of that TARP shit started, THEN maybe some real change would have happened on Wall Street and in the Banks. Bitching at the Bankers wasn't the way. Congress was the way and we should have all been standing there.
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If you mean, before the markets crashed, I'm not sure how an intervention could have worked even then. Bernanke was doing a series of moves from the Fed that were helpful to the banks, each one unpredictable and unprecedented by the Fed. As you know, the Fed is substantially independent from the political process.

Lots of people could see that shit was getting weird, enough to make a difference, but I think opportunities for peaceful change were carefully removed all along the way.
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Um. The markets did crash in 2008.

But you're right. People were in such a mad dash that once again, just like 9/11, people panicked and said, "Oh Federal Government! Save us!". But after the people started realizing what was going on, they should have showed up at Congress on mass. Oh well :(

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Re: portugal, spain, greece totally full stop today, 16 other countries also on strike. europe shutting down
Nothing reported here about strikes.

I wished the middleclass and the lower class would unite and overthrow the elie establishent, i.e. banksters and CEO's.

Sadly divide and conquer tactics working well, setting up the northern population against the south.

People need to organize, infiltrate institutions and unmask and eliminate the evildo-ers.

Corporatism is the same as nazism and fascism. It's inhumane and seeks to dehumanize people.
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Europe together only in protest, how strange banana2
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I didn't know San Marino is a country. I thought it was just an upscale neighborhood in Pasadena, California.
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ahah yes, it's first an indipendent Republic inside Italy and then there's even a neighborhood in California...

and just for interest, the neighborhood has got the name due to a Sammarinese tourist in the USA hf

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Nothing reported here about strikes.

I wished the middleclass and the lower class would unite and overthrow the elie establishent, i.e. banksters and CEO's.

Sadly divide and conquer tactics working well, setting up the northern population against the south.

People need to organize, infiltrate institutions and unmask and eliminate the evildo-ers.

Corporatism is the same as nazism and fascism. It's inhumane and seeks to dehumanize people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 972619


A voice of reason, thank you. We all must unite to bring Brussels banking Reich down, while N.European political class and MSM scapegoats the south, they tax their own citizens to "save" Greece and other countries and make money on interest and off course they don't give this money back to their people, all going straight back to the bank which leads to average N.Europeans hating south while they don't understand that we are all being sucked dry by by the same person but just in a different way, the fact that some retards in here present the loans/bailouts with interest as a "help" goes to show how much the MSM have fucked their moranic brains so far, wake the fuck up lads.
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France and Germany are big countries but their land is NOT SUITABLE for intensive agriculture or feed huge heards of cows.The north is TOO COLD to do that.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
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And you don't understand what INTENSIVE is.

They can produce some food, to feed about 60 mil people/year.However, they kinda have like 150 mil people alltogheter? If they need to FEED their whole population, they need INTENSIVE agriculture which they CANNOT because their land is NOT THAT GOOD.
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Where do you get your "information" from?

Germany produces enough food since decades.

The fertilizer was invented in Germany.
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[link to www.nationmaster.com]

On this chart, who represent cereal production :

-Germany is #119, with 92,000 metric tons.
-France is #86, with 105,000 metric tons.
-Spain #74, with 109,000 metric tons.
-Italy, #94, with 101,000 metric tons.
-Greece, #91, with 102,000 metric tons.
-Ireland, #78, with 107,000 metric tons.

-Germany produces 92,000 metric tons, have a population of over 81 million and 357,000 square km.
-France produces 101,000 metric tons, have a population of 60 million and 643,000 sruare km.
-Ireland produces 101,000 metric tons, have a population of 4,5 million and 70,000 square km.

Is this ENOUGH proof that the land in Germany and France is NOT suitable for INTENSIVE agriculture?

In terms of production/habitant or production/square km., Germany + France are DWARFED by Ireland + Greece and are crap compred to Spain + Italy.

I am not saying that France or Germany are not producing food...I am saying that they CANNOT FEED THEIR OWN people (unless heavily importing from the south and eastern EU) because their LAND is not good enough to do so.
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at least europe has the balls to protest.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
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And you don't understand what INTENSIVE is.

They can produce some food, to feed about 60 mil people/year.However, they kinda have like 150 mil people alltogheter? If they need to FEED their whole population, they need INTENSIVE agriculture which they CANNOT because their land is NOT THAT GOOD.
 Quoting: recollector


Where do you get your "information" from?

Germany produces enough food since decades.

The fertilizer was invented in Germany.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27729528



[link to www.nationmaster.com]

On this chart, who represent cereal production :

-Germany is #119, with 92,000 metric tons.
-France is #86, with 105,000 metric tons.
-Spain #74, with 109,000 metric tons.
-Italy, #94, with 101,000 metric tons.
-Greece, #91, with 102,000 metric tons.
-Ireland, #78, with 107,000 metric tons.

-Germany produces 92,000 metric tons, have a population of over 81 million and 357,000 square km.
-France produces 101,000 metric tons, have a population of 60 million and 643,000 sruare km.
-Ireland produces 101,000 metric tons, have a population of 4,5 million and 70,000 square km.

Is this ENOUGH proof that the land in Germany and France is NOT suitable for INTENSIVE agriculture?

In terms of production/habitant or production/square km., Germany + France are DWARFED by Ireland + Greece and are crap compred to Spain + Italy.

I am not saying that France or Germany are not producing food...I am saying that they CANNOT FEED THEIR OWN people (unless heavily importing from the south and eastern EU) because their LAND is not good enough to do so.
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How much of the land are they using for agriculture anyway? It's not like any European country uses their full potential, heck not even Finland and our growing season is short and arable land is scarce. It's just not that profitable in Europe. And it seems we're above Germany in that list you provided. Lol. Doesn't seem too good indicator for how much agricultural output Germany or France can have.
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Is this ENOUGH proof that the land in Germany and France is NOT suitable for INTENSIVE agriculture?
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Actually, no.

You take only cereals in account, and France and Germany do only import agriculture products that can't be grown there, and products that are way cheaper abroad and they can't compete with (especially the Asian countries).

But when needed, the fertile soil in these countries is perfectly useful for intensive agriculture.

It's just economical wise not interesting, apart from grain, milk and meat.
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Nothing reported here about strikes.

I wished the middleclass and the lower class would unite and overthrow the elie establishent, i.e. banksters and CEO's.

Sadly divide and conquer tactics working well, setting up the northern population against the south.

People need to organize, infiltrate institutions and unmask and eliminate the evildo-ers.

Corporatism is the same as nazism and fascism. It's inhumane and seeks to dehumanize people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 972619


A voice of reason, thank you. We all must unite to bring Brussels banking Reich down, while N.European political class and MSM scapegoats the south, they tax their own citizens to "save" Greece and other countries and make money on interest and off course they don't give this money back to their people, all going straight back to the bank which leads to average N.Europeans hating south while they don't understand that we are all being sucked dry by by the same person but just in a different way, the fact that some retards in here present the loans/bailouts with interest as a "help" goes to show how much the MSM have fucked their moranic brains so far, wake the fuck up lads.
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ohyeah
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Nothing reported here about strikes.

I wished the middleclass and the lower class would unite and overthrow the elie establishent, i.e. banksters and CEO's.

Sadly divide and conquer tactics working well, setting up the northern population against the south.

People need to organize, infiltrate institutions and unmask and eliminate the evildo-ers.

Corporatism is the same as nazism and fascism. It's inhumane and seeks to dehumanize people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 972619


A voice of reason, thank you. We all must unite to bring Brussels banking Reich down, while N.European political class and MSM scapegoats the south, they tax their own citizens to "save" Greece and other countries and make money on interest and off course they don't give this money back to their people, all going straight back to the bank which leads to average N.Europeans hating south while they don't understand that we are all being sucked dry by by the same person but just in a different way, the fact that some retards in here present the loans/bailouts with interest as a "help" goes to show how much the MSM have fucked their moranic brains so far, wake the fuck up lads.
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ohyeah
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Unfortunately this is exactly what the evil doers ( masonns etc do ). I am afraid this job has been well and truly taken long long ago.

Good luck with this they will see you coming a mile away.

The surveillance State is a beautiful thing.Idol1
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There, I've fixed your total piece of shit thread and now it's not total dogshit anymore.

You're welcome.
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verysad and i was hoping for a voichat session were u tell perverted sex storys
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Our schools truly have dropped the ball. Is your spelling that bad or are you trolling? *trolololol
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Unfortunately this is exactly what the evil doers ( masonns etc do ). I am afraid this job has been well and truly taken long long ago.

Good luck with this they will see you coming a mile away.

The surveillance State is a beautiful thing.Idol1
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1984
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