portugal, spain, greece totally full stop today, 16 other countries also on strike. europe shutting down

Good God people!! Look at all this bickering instead of FACTS being posted! We need to respect each other as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to live on this earth..THIS is exactly what TPTB want! Have some decency toward each other and understand that NO ONE country (the individual citizens) is better than the other!

Scary and i'm sure your are not kidding me, this though was not the beginning of destruction of only the US economy, dollar is the world's currency, everyone is affected if US economy have problems, but our eurocrats in Brussels wanted to bring the collapse sooner by installing a currency that every fucking economist on earth at that time said it's problematic while at the same time they looting Europeans in daylight for their agenda. It's super fucking retarded to say that 150 million people are lazy and have mentality issues, seriously everyone still parroting this BS from their MSM after 3-4 years of crisis is a sheep of unimaginable proportions, problem lies elsewhere ffs, get off your high horses, whole Europe will go down eventually, stop parroting sheepy agenda.

So in practical terms, does that mean the Germans should continue to bail out the Spaniards, or not?

Americans understand nothing about the world. Keep to your imaginary Hollywood version of how people are, and leave the rest of the world alone!

I am not promoting anything ... but if you think the many manipulations practiced over many countries by the founders of the CEE (and corresponding powers that be) have not at last be fully understood by thousands in those countries, you better get acquainted with being wrong ... it is in YOUR interest. You can read, as a primer, what our Romanian contributor has written above. Be wise.

Don’t worry. We are used to it. It’s called resilience.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

That stereotype is not universally true.

I'm fairly well aware of the manipulations. I was following this in 1997. After trying over and over to implement the euro, and having it not "take" repeatedly because the idea is frankly ridiculous, suddenly the southern countries were able to agree to terms.

We now know that some mismarked derivatives had something to that. Not really covering up the facts, but allowing an excuse for willful blindness by those able to make the decisions.

This whole thing was never put to a popular vote except in Ireland, where they revoted because the people didn't see the light the first time.

Oh really?? And you learned that where? Some of us have been around and our eyes are wide open. You just displayed exactly what I was trying to point out...sheesh!

Europe together only in protest, how strange

I didn't know San Marino is a country. I thought it was just an upscale neighborhood in Pasadena, California.

Only freeloaders and leeches demanding more *gimme gimme more free stuff*

Um. The markets did crash in 2008.

But you're right. People were in such a mad dash that once again, just like 9/11, people panicked and said, "Oh Federal Government! Save us!". But after the people started realizing what was going on, they should have showed up at Congress on mass. Oh well :(

Last Edited by Eireann on 11/14/2012 10:09 AM

Nothing reported here about strikes.

I wished the middleclass and the lower class would unite and overthrow the elie establishent, i.e. banksters and CEO's.

Sadly divide and conquer tactics working well, setting up the northern population against the south.

People need to organize, infiltrate institutions and unmask and eliminate the evildo-ers.

Corporatism is the same as nazism and fascism. It's inhumane and seeks to dehumanize people.

ahah yes, it's first an indipendent Republic inside Italy and then there's even a neighborhood in California...

and just for interest, the neighborhood has got the name due to a Sammarinese tourist in the USA

Last Edited by Cocorito90 on 11/14/2012 10:12 AM

A voice of reason, thank you. We all must unite to bring Brussels banking Reich down, while N.European political class and MSM scapegoats the south, they tax their own citizens to "save" Greece and other countries and make money on interest and off course they don't give this money back to their people, all going straight back to the bank which leads to average N.Europeans hating south while they don't understand that we are all being sucked dry by by the same person but just in a different way, the fact that some retards in here present the loans/bailouts with interest as a "help" goes to show how much the MSM have fucked their moranic brains so far, wake the fuck up lads.

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On this chart, who represent cereal production :

-Germany is #119, with 92,000 metric tons.
-France is #86, with 105,000 metric tons.
-Spain #74, with 109,000 metric tons.
-Italy, #94, with 101,000 metric tons.
-Greece, #91, with 102,000 metric tons.
-Ireland, #78, with 107,000 metric tons.

-Germany produces 92,000 metric tons, have a population of over 81 million and 357,000 square km.
-France produces 101,000 metric tons, have a population of 60 million and 643,000 sruare km.
-Ireland produces 101,000 metric tons, have a population of 4,5 million and 70,000 square km.

Is this ENOUGH proof that the land in Germany and France is NOT suitable for INTENSIVE agriculture?

In terms of production/habitant or production/square km., Germany + France are DWARFED by Ireland + Greece and are crap compred to Spain + Italy.

I am not saying that France or Germany are not producing food...I am saying that they CANNOT FEED THEIR OWN people (unless heavily importing from the south and eastern EU) because their LAND is not good enough to do so.


Last Edited by Recollector on 11/14/2012 10:31 AM

at least europe has the balls to protest.

How much of the land are they using for agriculture anyway? It's not like any European country uses their full potential, heck not even Finland and our growing season is short and arable land is scarce. It's just not that profitable in Europe. And it seems we're above Germany in that list you provided. Lol. Doesn't seem too good indicator for how much agricultural output Germany or France can have.

Actually, no.

You take only cereals in account, and France and Germany do only import agriculture products that can't be grown there, and products that are way cheaper abroad and they can't compete with (especially the Asian countries).

But when needed, the fertile soil in these countries is perfectly useful for intensive agriculture.

It's just economical wise not interesting, apart from grain, milk and meat.

Anti-austerity protestors take to streets across Spain leading to 81 arrests so far
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Unfortunately this is exactly what the evil doers ( masonns etc do ). I am afraid this job has been well and truly taken long long ago.

Good luck with this they will see you coming a mile away.

The surveillance State is a beautiful thing.

Our schools truly have dropped the ball. Is your spelling that bad or are you trolling? *trolololol

Photos Of The Mass Austerity Protests Sweeping Across Europe
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It would be great however that they would be protesting for the right cause and not because they wish to establish a commie government, maybe then I'd join them.

The whole discussion started because the south have MUCH MORE resources than the north.I was merely pointed the FOOD domain only.

Germany and France are URBANIZED and INDUSTRIALIZED countries.Their agriculture land is poor and they pretty much cultivate all the land they CAN CULTIVATE.They had nothing more left, because much of what was agricultural land 50 years ago, is now occupied with cities, industries, roads.

They need to BULDOZE alot in order to have MORE land to cultivate...as opposite to the tiny countries of Greece and Ireland.

You cannot just dismiss the data by just telling:
"But when needed, the fertile soil in these countries is perfectly useful for intensive agriculture."

There is no more land left, fertile or not, in France and Germany (especially Germany).

Ireland and Greece have togheter a population of 15 million, while France and Germany have 140 million togheter...their cereal production is almost the same, escept almost 10 TIMES MORE people AND also 10 times more LAND.

Yes, it is "only" cereal, but those cereals represent BOTH food for humans AND food for animals, animals that will also become food for humans.

15 million people living on 150,000 square km. are producing same quantity of cereals (aka food) as 140 million people living on 1,200,000 square km.

This are the facts when we talk about who will starve first if the South goes down and STOP exporting food and food related products.And not some sci-fi beleiefs that France and Germany have some fertile land that they don't use...

Last Edited by Recollector on 11/14/2012 11:16 AM

Then join me and thousands more to protest in front of the Congress!! The protest is against the NWO and not for any "communist" form of government - though every citizen is invited to join it -

a bit more organised than OWS?


i see all sorts of people out on the street. old ladies, masked men


just seen shots of the police beating people for protesting


something to point out, once upon a time i was for the police, and against 'the rabble without jobs'. kettling? boohoo!

but more and more i see things differently these days



we are all being shafted. its right before your eyes - people are being beaten by the police for protesting against the state


we are criminals