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AUSTRALIA - Vas amounts of methane gas leaking from the largest coal mine

 
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11/14/2012 07:08 AM
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Wow. This is news to me.

[link to www.smh.com.au]
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This is such bullshit.

Stop believing this green propaganda.
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WELL SAID..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9128390


I agree - what crap. And if Australia gives up it's right to harvest natural resources, we are nothing. If they tax the mining & exploration companies much more then they will all leave - plain and simple and again - we'll be nothing. Great way to completely fuck the economy here - turn the most lucrative businesses into the public enemy.
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What will you tell your grand kid's when your back yard looks like this. [link to au.images.search.yahoo.com]

Whats being done with this hole?


"They where the good old days"?

NOT EVEN 30 CENTS IN THE DOLLAR (GROSS) EVEN ENTERS THE AUSTRALIAN SYSTEM NOW.
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11/14/2012 07:10 AM
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Something stinks about this article (no pun intended). It reeks of the 'green' agenda. Sounds like they are trying to demonize coal and gas production.

Just my two cents.
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11/14/2012 07:12 AM
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Sounds like things are ramping up from deep within the earth itself. This in Australia, and also the high-pressure methane rising up in the Louisiana saltdome/sinkhole area.

Factor in the increasing earthquakes, and the many volcanos becoming active and erupting...and it has to be that the core is changing.

I bought a bargain bin copy of the movie "2012" the other night, and watched it. It was interesting how much of what they talked about has been happening around the world - quakes, cracks in the earth, pressures rising from inside the earth, etc., plus some mention of a new particle from the sun or something like that. Not quite the theatrics of that movie yet, but interesting just the same.
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crustal earth displacement is the science they based the story on.

Well worth looking into.

Einstien was very interested in the subject but mainstream science attacked it with enthusiam.
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11/14/2012 07:14 AM
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I agree - what crap. And if Australia gives up it's right to harvest natural resources, we are nothing. If they tax the mining & exploration companies much more then they will all leave - plain and simple and again - we'll be nothing. Great way to completely fuck the economy here - turn the most lucrative businesses into the public enemy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26416331


Too late, they already are- we are closing mines and laying off staff in Qld, overseas they are opening new mines
Oz has pure and simply too much expense, too much paperwork and too much bullshit to both dealing with anymore.

Alone in the last two months, the company I work for (supplying mining equipment) has gone from 80 employees to just over 20 left, and we have had no overtime at all in weeks (instead of 4 hrs every day plus Saturdays), and will be looking at reducing both people working there and number of hours worked still further (p/t jobs 2 or 3 days a week)

Congratulations Oz, between the state and federal governments, you have screwed the last way most people had of getting a halfway decent wage (not to mention the one industry that shielded us from the last global recession- and there's another one, another much bigger one, on the way and soon when the US economy collapses)
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Sounds like things are ramping up from deep within the earth itself. This in Australia, and also the high-pressure methane rising up in the Louisiana saltdome/sinkhole area.

Factor in the increasing earthquakes, and the many volcanos becoming active and erupting...and it has to be that the core is changing.

I bought a bargain bin copy of the movie "2012" the other night, and watched it. It was interesting how much of what they talked about has been happening around the world - quakes, cracks in the earth, pressures rising from inside the earth, etc., plus some mention of a new particle from the sun or something like that. Not quite the theatrics of that movie yet, but interesting just the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27571238


another movie you should watch: The Core

about the core of the earth getting fucked up by... guess who.




hf rockon
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11/14/2012 07:21 AM

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Better think twice about burning it off. Ever heard of the Door To Hell in Derweze?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Google it and there is lots of info on the area.
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Plus it's a coal mine...get the coal burning and it could last for decades...
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Yes, Centrailia, Pa mine has been burning for something like 47 years. Isn't there a place in Australia called Burning Mountain that has burned for thousands of years?
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
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What will you tell your grand kid's when your back yard looks like this. [link to au.images.search.yahoo.com]

Whats being done with this hole?


"They where the good old days"?

NOT EVEN 30 CENTS IN THE DOLLAR (GROSS) EVEN ENTERS THE AUSTRALIAN SYSTEM NOW.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26838736


Actually it shows how little people know- those holes are backfilled with the spoil as the mine follows the seam, and here (unlike most overseas) they are required to monitor both any possible contaminants released and also replant both trees and new undergrowth using common local types as the open cut continues on

This is one of the reasons (plus the highest cost and highly regulated OH&S regimes in the world) making Oz less and less attractive to the corporations that run such industries, why do it expensive here when they can halve or quarter their costs in underdeveloped countries
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11/14/2012 07:28 AM
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pinned .... and 5*

This could be serious for all aussies, especially those in Qld and Northern NSW where coal-seam exploration is currently going ahead unabated without due consideration to potential environmental damage.
 Quoting: Rickster58


apparently the Tweed Shire Council letter has reported that the CSG companies are not interested in this area now .
I hope its not a quite before the onslaught plan . Why are they flying drones around the Tweed Valley constantly
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Sounds like things are ramping up from deep within the earth itself. This in Australia, and also the high-pressure methane rising up in the Louisiana saltdome/sinkhole area.

Factor in the increasing earthquakes, and the many volcanos becoming active and erupting...and it has to be that the core is changing.

I bought a bargain bin copy of the movie "2012" the other night, and watched it. It was interesting how much of what they talked about has been happening around the world - quakes, cracks in the earth, pressures rising from inside the earth, etc., plus some mention of a new particle from the sun or something like that. Not quite the theatrics of that movie yet, but interesting just the same.
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Gigantic gravity well is inbound deforming the earth's shape and causing internal stress. As the gravity well comes closer the earth will start to reel, crack, and, ultimately 10+ Richter EarthQuakes and tsunamis will kill millions of people.

FACT.

This is hidden info and known only to some insiders.
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What do you think of Patrick Geryl's work and the possibility of a massive CME and a pole shift or is it just a matter of semantics?
grefey

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11/14/2012 07:34 AM
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I am of the opinion that massive catastrophes are in our near future as the earth is changing rapidly. The release of methane everywhere is proceeding exponentially and this has far more effects on temperature and weather than any CO2 we humans produce.

It is like we are in a chain reaction that has begun and can not be controlled and I believe this will happen rapidly rather than slowly so brace yourselves.
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11/14/2012 07:36 AM
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YAY! Doom Down Under!!!!


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11/14/2012 08:19 AM
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The Earth (and all celestial bodies) are expanding, and perhaps more notably at this time at this time, by some clues.

This expansion is in the form of hydrogen, which become water and hydrocarbons as they rise to the surface. This is perhaps has something to do with why these events are being seen around the world right now.

The earth is not running out of hydrocarbons.

Within these ideas is the idea that solar eclipses might form concentrated neutrino beams which may temporarily accelerate the expansion, and the release of hydrocarbons in a region or increased tectonic activity.



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11/14/2012 08:46 AM
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Wow. This is news to me.

[link to www.smh.com.au]
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Oh FFS, really?

Your going to Hell is more the worry!!!!!!
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Re: AUSTRALIA - Vas amounts of methane gas leaking from the largest coal mine
The Earth (and all celestial bodies) are expanding, and perhaps more notably at this time at this time, by some clues.

This expansion is in the form of hydrogen, which become water and hydrocarbons as they rise to the surface. This is perhaps has something to do with why these events are being seen around the world right now.

The earth is not running out of hydrocarbons.

Within these ideas is the idea that solar eclipses might form concentrated neutrino beams which may temporarily accelerate the expansion, and the release of hydrocarbons in a region or increased tectonic activity.


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Sorry but I think it is TIME to stop being scientific and start being SPIRITUAL. It is nice to want to understand what is going on but at some point(and I believe we have passed that point) one must turn inward to the kingdom of heaven within. For me the hand writing is on the wall.
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Mother Earth sighs.
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I am of the opinion that massive catastrophes are in our near future as the earth is changing rapidly. The release of methane everywhere is proceeding exponentially and this has far more effects on temperature and weather than any CO2 we humans produce.

It is like we are in a chain reaction that has begun and can not be controlled and I believe this will happen rapidly rather than slowly so brace yourselves.
 Quoting: grefey


^^^^ THIS ^^^^

(agreed)
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11/14/2012 01:29 PM

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pinned .... and 5*

This could be serious for all aussies, especially those in Qld and Northern NSW where coal-seam exploration is currently going ahead unabated without due consideration to potential environmental damage.
 Quoting: Rickster58


Hi Rickster



Thanks OP, scary stuff, was looking at acreage at Tara last year then found out more mining was happening.





hf rockon
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


HIya Mz
I have a farm near the Pilliga National Park in NSW. They have been drilling/fracking extensively there for over a year now. Talk in town, says they are movin south toward my farm.

I'm quietly shitting myself
ohno
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How long till it burns out?
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Depends how much gas mother earth wishes to excrete. My calculations for a mine of that size, a seam at that depth, and the latitude/longitude coordinates of the shale sub-terraineal plateau in that region, about 4 days and 6 hours, give or take.
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Tell us more, if you will...mostly all the info here (in Aus) is spin.
You knowledge would be appreciated.
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Sorry (and sorry to OP), I was just spinning a yarn. I have no clue how long it would burn, nor if blue flaming it would be possible (certainly not wise).

I just hope the gas is not of sufficent density where it actually could be ignited.
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Phew I thought you were nuts.
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11/14/2012 06:42 PM
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I agree - what crap. And if Australia gives up it's right to harvest natural resources, we are nothing. If they tax the mining & exploration companies much more then they will all leave - plain and simple and again - we'll be nothing. Great way to completely fuck the economy here - turn the most lucrative businesses into the public enemy.
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Too late, they already are- we are closing mines and laying off staff in Qld, overseas they are opening new mines
Oz has pure and simply too much expense, too much paperwork and too much bullshit to both dealing with anymore.

Alone in the last two months, the company I work for (supplying mining equipment) has gone from 80 employees to just over 20 left, and we have had no overtime at all in weeks (instead of 4 hrs every day plus Saturdays), and will be looking at reducing both people working there and number of hours worked still further (p/t jobs 2 or 3 days a week)

Congratulations Oz, between the state and federal governments, you have screwed the last way most people had of getting a halfway decent wage (not to mention the one industry that shielded us from the last global recession- and there's another one, another much bigger one, on the way and soon when the US economy collapses)
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This take is not quite right.

The CSG 'revolution' is part to blame. When a small rig can be brought in to frack a small area, with very little surface interruption or make good, and a one man or even unmanned tank or pipeline can take the gas away, and be sold for more than the coal and other minerals that would be gotten from an open cut or shaft mine, then it comes down to economics - and greed.

The folks who want to make the dough from the exercise are to blame, not the workers, not the Govt's or legislation. Just plain old greed. Why outlay so much when you only need to do CSG fracking over and over and over and make dough from that? There's your real culprit(s).

As for the methanic issue, it is not green bullshit, it is real.

The 7:30 report did a piece on these guys, who basically moved their lab in to a 4WD and they took regular samples from 100's of sites. Almost all sites were legally within ranges set for the exercise. So no-one was worried.

But what these guys did was look at the 'fine print'. The parts of the reports that deal with what are known as 'fugitive emmissions'.

These are emmissions that escape during the extraction process. Gasses that are not part of the intended mining exercise. You see, the reports only talk about what is intended. The rest is covered up as F/E's.

These fellas in their mobile lab found between 3.5 (common) and 300 (extreme) times the limit of methanics especially. And the outputs are constant.

So the industry that claims to be clean and green, is full of shit. More spin, more greed, more ugly CSG outlets in pristine ground.

Pretty obvious I am against fracking and CSG development. What it is doing to the strata that has been stable for millions of years, only to become liquid in a sense is frightening.

They cannot know what effect it has to aquifers, salt pockets and other mineral deposits, once things start to naturally find their way around underground.

The scene from GASLAND where the fella lights up his tap water comes to mind.

They are also doing this in Louisianna, and the fracking and destabilisation and saturation of salt domes is evidence that on paper it might look great, and the engineers are so clever, but in reality, they have screwed up.

Then again, how could they have known 2 years back at Macondo that the DWH blow out would lead to the entire salt pillow/vein between that area and leading right up through and past Louisianna becomming saturated, and a means for deep salt waters to come up on to land. But it's happened, and the suggestions that the oil being found at Assumption matches the imprint of oil at Macondo, some 200 miles away, out to sea, makes the connection all the more apparent.

Oh, that's right... their spin on that was they dumped oil from the clean up in to the dome at Assumption..... How stupid do they think we are?
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pinned .... and 5*

This could be serious for all aussies, especially those in Qld and Northern NSW where coal-seam exploration is currently going ahead unabated without due consideration to potential environmental damage.
 Quoting: Rickster58


Hi Rickster



Thanks OP, scary stuff, was looking at acreage at Tara last year then found out more mining was happening.





hf rockon
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


HIya Mz
I have a farm near the Pilliga National Park in NSW. They have been drilling/fracking extensively there for over a year now. Talk in town, says they are movin south toward my farm.

I'm quietly shitting myself
ohno
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Sorry to hear that Rickster. I'm in Sydney, and live on the LaneCove National Park, and these fuckers have tried to do some test wells just outside it's jurasdiction. At present the legals against it are stating that despite the test well being off Commonwealth protected ground, the slant drill hole still penetrates beneath protected soil.

I have suggested finding some local, or even bullshit Aboriginese to claim the land as their own and start a legal shit storm.

That tact will work elsewhere too methinks. Just tie it all up.

Can you do anything about it mate? Folks here would come up to help I'm sure.
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This could be serious for all aussies, especially those in Qld and Northern NSW where coal-seam exploration is currently going ahead unabated without due consideration to potential environmental damage.
 Quoting: Rickster58


Hi Rickster



Thanks OP, scary stuff, was looking at acreage at Tara last year then found out more mining was happening.





hf rockon
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


HIya Mz
I have a farm near the Pilliga National Park in NSW. They have been drilling/fracking extensively there for over a year now. Talk in town, says they are movin south toward my farm.

I'm quietly shitting myself
ohno
 Quoting: Rickster58


Sorry to hear that Rickster. I'm in Sydney, and live on the LaneCove National Park, and these fuckers have tried to do some test wells just outside it's jurasdiction. At present the legals against it are stating that despite the test well being off Commonwealth protected ground, the slant drill hole still penetrates beneath protected soil.

I have suggested finding some local, or even bullshit Aboriginese to claim the land as their own and start a legal shit storm.

That tact will work elsewhere too methinks. Just tie it all up.

Can you do anything about it mate? Folks here would come up to help I'm sure.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Howdy neighbour ( I'm lane Cove too!!!)

I'm sure there would be no shortage of Bro's who would lay claim to my land - problem is they may be worse than the frackers.
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11/14/2012 09:05 PM
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Of course their is going to be methane from coal seams - NSSherlock, Stop believing all their Green Agenda 21 BS, its from the sydney morning herald which as a reader IQ of a 12year old...

Reader bewarebsmeter2
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Well, start by reading the article(s) and watching the segments screened on ABC last night.

Levels of methane are expected and recorded, but the sneaky thing is that any methane that escapes outside of what is part of the extraction proces was NOT measured, other than to state it was an escaped gas.

What these two fellas are finding is that the levels of these escaped gasses are 3-300 times what was agreed upon as safe.

They shouldnt be doing this - period.
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BadHairDay

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bump
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