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Stage 5: The Old Soul

 
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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

if you want it simply and quick, imagine these stages in this manner:

The Call->The Search->The Struggle->The Breakthrough->The Return


feel free to ask
its free and its time

abduct
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It must be forged in the fires of effort and patience and sincerity; it must be drawn from the very stuff of our life.

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"Thou we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven that which we are, we are.
One equal temper of heroic hearts made weak by time and fate but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield"
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
 Quoting: Sandrose


You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Indeed. It has nothing to do with being greater or lesser than others, or feeling "elected." Nor does it have anything to do with DNA - if anything, your physical DNA will work against your true nature. What it is is simply having experienced more than others - that's no reason to say I'm better than you, or really that I know better than you (because truth is relative to the individual and is shaped according to the experiences that happen to them), it simply means I've seen a lot more, been through a lot more, realized a lot more, etc...which, in time, so will you.

Now, the good news is that everything is circular, and just like spring comes after winter, so too do the stages. Being an old soul doesn't mean reaching the end, but a new beginning. Not a complete fresh start, as my experiences and gained truths will still be with me (if not in memory then in my heart), but at the same time it will be like I'm a brand new soul all over again. And the same goes for every other soul - including yours. hf
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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
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You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
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It's not about being above others, it's only about being more experienced in the physical, in the same way a 5th grader is more experienced than a 3rd grader.

This is not the same as being "superior". We are all equals as souls, and we are all older than the Universe itself, even those termed "infant souls"! They are not at all new and inexperienced as souls, they are just new at the duality game we're currently exploring.

Hope that helps!
hf
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What does it matter to be experienced to be reborn in a new family with active memory wiped out and a family doing everything to prevent you to find your potential out of superstition or because a mainstream book says it is bad.
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I'm not a big fan of the memory wipe procedure myself, but I figure there's a good reason for it...

Being born in a family that tries to hold you back is a challenge to be overcome. This whole Universe was created to allow souls to experience resistance and difficulty in the first place.

In our original home, no negative things exist, that's why we had to go through all this trouble to be able to experience them!

It helps very much to say "jay, I'm an old soul!".
As per your definition no young soul would find their way on this forum anyway.
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Why wouldn't they? Young souls are sufficiently skilled in the sublime art of clicking on links on the internet, aren't they?

I would rather bet that since the side a soul is taking is predestined by the first experience on this earth, any first time soul would be currently on the worst MK environment of this planet.
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I don't know what a "MK environment" is, but yes, the first experiences are likely to be rough, if that's what you mean.
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
 Quoting: Sandrose


You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Indeed. It has nothing to do with being greater or lesser than others, or feeling "elected." Nor does it have anything to do with DNA - if anything, your physical DNA will work against your true nature. What it is is simply having experienced more than others - that's no reason to say I'm better than you, or really that I know better than you (because truth is relative to the individual and is shaped according to the experiences that happen to them), it simply means I've seen a lot more, been through a lot more, realized a lot more, etc...which, in time, so will you.

Now, the good news is that everything is circular, and just like spring comes after winter, so too do the stages. Being an old soul doesn't mean reaching the end, but a new beginning. Not a complete fresh start, as my experiences and gained truths will still be with me (if not in memory then in my heart), but at the same time it will be like I'm a brand new soul all over again. And the same goes for every other soul - including yours. hf
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Your DNA has much to do. This defines how well or how bad you are able to process information. Within a dysfunctional body and less than appropriate information, the capacity of your soul is less than rubbish because you will not have the tools to even receive the hints from your soul.

Blame a blind for not being able to see colours.
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Ah - I see now what you are trying to say. Yes, in your experiences in the physical, DNA plays a huge factor. However, as I said, it often works against your true nature as a soul (as in the case of the blind man - in his heart he can see, though physically he cannot). DNA doesn't determine who or what you are inside - it only augments your true nature. It is possible to transcend DNA limitations/programming, though - how much is up to each individual. hf

It's not about being above others, it's only about being more experienced in the physical, in the same way a 5th grader is more experienced than a 3rd grader.

This is not the same as being "superior". We are all equals as souls, and we are all older than the Universe itself, even those termed "infant souls"! They are not at all new and inexperienced as souls, they are just new at the duality game we're currently exploring.

Hope that helps!
hf
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What does it matter to be experienced to be reborn in a new family with active memory wiped out and a family doing everything to prevent you to find your potential out of superstition or because a mainstream book says it is bad.

It helps very much to say "jay, I'm an old soul!".
As per your definition no young soul would find their way on this forum anyway.

I would rather bet that since the side a soul is taking is predestined by the first experience on this earth, any first time soul would be currently on the worst MK environment of this planet.
 Quoting: Sandrose


Because the mind isn't the source of consciousness - the heart is. Whether or not the mind has memory or understanding is of little significance - if, in your heart, you remember and understand, you will be able to overcome any obstacle (such as your family - let me guess, christians? - trying to prevent you from finding your true potential [however, the only one keeping you from your full potential is you - believe me, it's easier to blame them, but instead just see them as practice, something to keep you on your toes and going that extra distance]). If the heart remembers, then you have all the memory you need. Over time, you will begin to have mental memory of previous experience as well, but how much is remembered will be up to your subconscious and heart. hf
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In our original home, no negative things exist, that's why we had to go through all this trouble to be able to experience them!
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There is nothing we had to. This is to make us accept a corrupt system as being the norm.
In the original home, there is no value put on things. Only when you will again stop putting value on things you will find the path again. Good or evil is preparing you for the next incarnation, not your freedom.
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The part I bolded is exactly the point. In our original home, there is indeed no value put on things. We were living in "Heaven", but we didn't have the taste buds to appreciate it to the full, so to speak.

The creation of the world of illusion we now inhabit, was done with a purpose: to allow us to learn to appreciate what is even better, by first experiencing what is not!

Darkness, pain, suffering, separation, fear, ...

These things ARE NOT! Indeed they cannot possibly be, because they are contrary to the way true reality works at its core!

Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!

Quite clever.

Why wouldn't they? Young souls are sufficiently skilled in the sublime art of clicking on links on the internet, aren't they?
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Ask children soldier this.
Google will not think for you. If you do not see anything wrong in your reality, why would you search the internet.
Even if you click on the link, it takes you a certain knowledge to be able to sort out what's good or not to you. If you do not have it, you end up in another esoteric MK group and never get aware you went into it because people are talking so much about love and flowers. You will become another psychic children soldier with not even the world to have a chance of telling you what is wrong (would you believe it anyway? No it would be a manipulation from an undefined TPTB).
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Children soldiers are most likely infant souls, choosing a life experience that cuts to the chase when it comes to learning survival at its most primal. I agree they aren't likely to search the deeper recesses of the internet.

But we were talking about young souls here!


I'll write a short description of the soul ages for you:

1. Infant Souls. Are learning survival in the human form, and getting to know the meaning of "conflict". And so that's what their life experience will be centered around. They will probably NOT post on GLP!

2. Baby Souls. Have figured out there has to be a way to make sense of this world, and think they have found it in some system of RIGID LAW. They are orthodox jews, bible-bashing christians, and fundamentalist muslims. Their political views are likewise inherited without questioning, and firm like bedrock. They WILL come to GLP, to "save" everyone else by spreading their new-found wisdom!

3. Young Souls. Have mastered everything about this life! They are the inventors, engineers, statesmen, business leaders, cultural stars and so on. Practically everyone that "made a name" for themselves is a young soul, because they are focused on just that - conquering and mastering the illusionary world around them. They prefer to be atheists, and are drawn to political views like libertarianism, because it's about rewarding those who get ahead. They will come to GLP to argue too, if their heavy schedule allows it!

4. Mature Souls. Have developed a soft spot for the weak and suffering, and enjoy New Age messages of Love and Light. Politically, they are often drawn to socialism, because they wish to help their fellow man. Of course, socialism has a track record of creating hell on Earth, but the Mature Soul wishes it would work. It's the Heart path, after all.

5. Old Souls. Have lost interest in the world for the most part, and are trying to improve themselves, with little regard for whether that quest will lead to external success or not. And so it rarely does. They have a great sense of humor, and can actually come off as trolls to those who do not understand their relaxed attitude. They come to GLP, because of the relative lack of censorship - they prefer facing themselves and others as they truly are, rather than keeping up appearances. They will post inspiring posts one minute, and crude jokes the next, because they are all that, and more. And they fully accept and embrace this.
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The creation of the world of illusion we now inhabit, was done with a purpose: to allow us to learn to appreciate what is even better, by first experiencing what is not!

Darkness, pain, suffering, separation, fear, ...

These things ARE NOT! Indeed they cannot possibly be, because they are contrary to the way true reality works at its core!

Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!
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Life is an experience, not an illusion. Claiming otherwise is denial.
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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

if you want it simply and quick, imagine these stages in this manner:

The Call->The Search->The Struggle->The Breakthrough->The Return


feel free to ask
its free and its time

abduct
 Quoting: Funney


Thks for yr post Funney - I have read that the soul builds the body. And so an infant soul builds a down syndrome body, and in the eyes of the Universe it is a perfect body as it reflects the point of consciousness the soul has reached.
The body is refined in each reincarnation until no trace of downs syndrome is seen and the body becomes taller, leaner, no stubby fingers, and the ears become nicely placed etc.

Would welcome yr comments.
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The part I bolded is exactly the point. In our original home, there is indeed no value put on things. We were living in "Heaven", but we didn't have the taste buds to appreciate it to the full, so to speak.

The creation of the world of illusion we now inhabit, was done with a purpose: to allow us to learn to appreciate what is even better, by first experiencing what is not!

Darkness, pain, suffering, separation, fear, ...

These things ARE NOT! Indeed they cannot possibly be, because they are contrary to the way true reality works at its core!

Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!

Quite clever.

Children soldiers are most likely infant souls, choosing a life experience that cuts to the chase when it comes to learning survival at its most primal. I agree they aren't likely to search the deeper recesses of the internet.

But we were talking about young souls here!


I'll write a short description of the soul ages for you:

1. Infant Souls. Are learning survival in the human form, and getting to know the meaning of "conflict". And so that's what their life experience will be centered around. They will probably NOT post on GLP!

2. Baby Souls. Have figured out there has to be a way to make sense of this world, and think they have found it in some system of RIGID LAW. They are orthodox jews, bible-bashing christians, and fundamentalist muslims. Their political views are likewise inherited without questioning, and firm like bedrock. They WILL come to GLP, to "save" everyone else by spreading their new-found wisdom!

3. Young Souls. Have mastered everything about this life! They are the inventors, engineers, statesmen, business leaders, cultural stars and so on. Practically everyone that "made a name" for themselves is a young soul, because they are focused on just that - conquering and mastering the illusionary world around them. They prefer to be atheists, and are drawn to political views like libertarianism, because it's about rewarding those who get ahead. They will come to GLP to argue too, if their heavy schedule allows it!

4. Mature Souls. Have developed a soft spot for the weak and suffering, and enjoy New Age messages of Love and Light. Politically, they are often drawn to socialism, because they wish to help their fellow man. Of course, socialism has a track record of creating hell on Earth, but the Mature Soul wishes it would work. It's the Heart path, after all.

5. Old Souls. Have lost interest in the world for the most part, and are trying to improve themselves, with little regard for whether that quest will lead to external success or not. And so it rarely does. They have a great sense of humor, and can actually come off as trolls to those who do not understand their relaxed attitude. They come to GLP, because of the relative lack of censorship - they prefer facing themselves and others as they truly are, rather than keeping up appearances. They will post inspiring posts one minute, and crude jokes the next, because they are all that, and more. And they fully accept and embrace this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Very well said, indeed!!

And I surely resonate with your 'HAVE NOT' definitions.....
I try to explain to others as well that this experience IS duality - and in learning more about ourselves, the experience(s) of what we do not prefer are equally valid in our learning what it is that we do prefer, for it is only in knowing both that we become empowered to truly choose what we want.

AC 300884 and AC 27611142 - thanx for sharing as you have... we are kindred :)

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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

if you want it simply and quick, imagine these stages in this manner:

The Call->The Search->The Struggle->The Breakthrough->The Return


feel free to ask
its free and its time

abduct
 Quoting: Funney


OP, a wonderful topic for discussion - thanx for sharing!!

Kismet
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Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!

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Again, very well said!

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once to live then the judgement, reincarnation is not how it works. Read Hebrews 9:27
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The creation of the world of illusion we now inhabit, was done with a purpose: to allow us to learn to appreciate what is even better, by first experiencing what is not!

Darkness, pain, suffering, separation, fear, ...

These things ARE NOT! Indeed they cannot possibly be, because they are contrary to the way true reality works at its core!

Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884

Life is an experience, not an illusion. Claiming otherwise is denial.
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Perhaps an illusion that you are experiencing, just as you experience a daydream :)

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I just love how you broke it down. And I believe it to be this way. I know old people who are not old souls and young ones who are.

Thank you Funney! A beautiful smiling face for you. . .


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I just love how you broke it down. And I believe it to be this way. I know old people who are not old souls and young ones who are.

Thank you Funney! A beautiful smiling face for you. . .


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Smiley

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THE SOUL

The separation of the human soul from God is one of the most sublime moments in Creation.

This separation is known in the world of the angels as the dawning of the human soul.

The soul emerges from its initial source like a Divine ray, and enters into the boundless universe to do the work which is in store for it.

The soul is eternal. It is eternal just as God is eternal. But, while God is absolutely unchangeable, the soul is constantly changing, and thus it develops and acquires new qualities.

Human souls live and move in God. They exist within Him in eternity, although they outwardly manifest themselves at different moments. They exist all together, al though they do not emerge from God simultaneously; they live one and the same life, although they are different: They differ because each soul represents a certain state of the Divine consciousness.

Souls - these are different states in which the Divine consciousness manifests itself in time and in space.

This is why we say: There is only one great Divine Soul, and all other souls are its manifestations.
Everything in the world may disappear, but the souls - never. They cannot disappear because the Divine Soul, the Divine consciousness cannot disappear.

The people of today have no knowledge of the soul. They are not conscious of themselves as souls, but rather as personalities. The personality is the physical man, and not the real self - the soul. People know the personalities of others, but not their souls, which are their true neighbors.

As long as people do not accept the idea that they are living, intelligent souls, as long as they continue to be conscious of themselves only as personalities, as minds and hearts, as men and women, they will accomplish nothing. All these forms of consciousness have already been experienced.

However, if people acknowledge in their consciousness that they are living, intelligent souls, then they will introduce something new into their lives, and will give themselves a new direction.

At the present level of man's development, there is no higher state than the state of the soul.

It contains within itself all the conditions, all the possibilities of the Divine Love.

Only within the soul can God manifest Himself in His fullness, and Love can be fully expressed only through the soul.

If you express your love only through your heart, it will be only half-expressed.

If you express your love only through your mind, it will again be only half-expressed.

All the weaknesses in the world arise from things done by halves.

Up to now, the human soul has been developing into a bud.

In our epoch, this bud is beginning to open.

This opening of the bud-soul is one of the greatest moments of the cosmos. It is called the blossoming of the human soul.

All the higher beings of the Divine world await with anticipation the blossoming of the human soul.

They know that all the manifestations of God are inscribed therein, that in it is written all that has been before them, all that is now, and all that will be in the future.

They know that the human soul is a sacred book in which God, in a special manner unknown to them, has written the development of all of Creation.

Because of this, they await the blossoming of the human soul with divine anticipation. The blossom into which this soul will bloom, will shine forth with all its beauty, and God will infuse it with His light and His love.

There is a beauty in the human soul which no other being in life possesses.

It is incomparable beauty. Even God rejoices when He looks at the form of the human soul.

All the angels, all the servants of God will come when the human soul blossoms. From time immemorial they have awaited its blossoming in order to taste its nectar.

And when they come, they will bring the new culture which I name "the culture of Love."

When Christ descended to earth, He came precisely to help the human souls, because each soul that comes down to earth has a specific task which it alone must fulfill.

There are intelligent souls in the world who wish to advance and live consciously. The great Masters come to earth for these souls, and they are helped by all loving and luminous souls working in the world.

Only souls that are loving and luminous are capable of helping other souls. They have finished their tests on earth. Divine consciousness has been awakened within them. Because of this, they do not desire to leave the earth. They say, "We shall live now on earth under any conditions. We shall live as God wills that we live. Now we understand the right way to live."

Nothing is impossible for the human soul which strives to elevate itself. It is strong because of its ties with other souls which are its kindred.

The greater the number of souls with which the human soul is connected, the stronger and more invulnerable it is. The success of the soul depends upon the number of souls with which it is connected. The consciousness of those luminous souls who participate in the life of a soul on earth is constantly concentrated on Love and thus, they help the soul selflessly. Therefore, the art of earthly life is this: while man is on earth, within this small physical form, he should come in contact with the souls of others.

This is the key to success. Even if only one soul loves you, it is in a position to help you in the difficulties of life.

But when many souls direct their love toward a person he can become anything - a poet, a painter, a musician, a man of science.

Love is a great power.

The path of each soul is strictly defined, and no one has the power to divert it. It is impossible for one soul to divert another from its path, because God watches vigilantly over all souls, and directs their movements in the boundless universe.

In itself, each soul is a small universe which moves in its own path in the great universe. But the soul has the ability to diminish - to become infinitely small - and to expand - to become boundless as the universe.

Emerging successively from God, souls find the same relationship existing among themselves that exists among musical tones. In their relations with one another, souls form harmonious groups. They form individual systems, moving in spirals in infinite space. In their involutionary movement, they descend in groups, but they stop at different areas of density, because not all of the souls are able to overcome the resistance equally.

Only a small number of souls manage to descend to the densest matter. Thus, souls are connected in the form of a chain which extends through different planes.

In their evolution, souls ascend according to the same law. Different souls ascend to planes of various rarity.

To come to love the soul of men - this is the true morality.

He who wishes to work with human souls must have a great mind. He must understand the profound processes that take place within the soul.

The human soul has great depth! Depth and boundlessness! The human soul lives beyond our world, in a world of many more dimensions.

Only a small projection of the soul reaches down to earth. It appears only from time to time as a guest to the mind and the heart.

When the soul visits man, he becomes great, inspired, and noble. He again becomes an ordinary man when the soul withdraws.

The soul is the spring from which all great thoughts and aspirations flow. And the soul itself is watered by another spring - the human spirit.

And the human spirit is watered by a still greater spring - the Divine Spirit.

The Divine Spirit is watered by the greatest of all springs - the absolute, the unknown Spirit of Creation, who is beyond our comprehension.

Therefore, remember: You are soul, not body!

You are a soul conceived at one time by the Divine Spirit, conceived in Love.

At the present moment, your soul is already a bud, waiting to blossom into a flower.

Concentrate your consciousness on it, because this is one of the greatest moments of your life!

Then you will open yourself out to the great sun that shines over the whole world of God.

Peter Deunov (Beinsa Douno)

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Really enjoyed reading this ^^^ above.

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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
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You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
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It's not about being above others, it's only about being more experienced in the physical, in the same way a 5th grader is more experienced than a 3rd grader.

This is not the same as being "superior". We are all equals as souls, and we are all older than the Universe itself, even those termed "infant souls"! They are not at all new and inexperienced as souls, they are just new at the duality game we're currently exploring.

Hope that helps!
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Indeed, it's about progression of experience(s)

I understand that some will force judgement upon it but it is not, nor should it include, any judgement.

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It's not a personality flaw to acknowledge yourself as being more accomplished than someone else in some respect, if that is indeed the case.

Some people cook tastier food than others, some people are smarter than others, some people run faster than others, some people dance better than others.

And yes, some souls have actually been at this 3D duality game a bit longer than others, and they see the world a bit differently as a result. Unwillingness to accept this fact doesn't make it go away!

There is no judgement in the concept of "soul age", only recognition of a simple truth: not everyone have progressed equally far at this point in time!

We came from the same place, we're going to the same place, but we aren't on the same step of the ladder right now!

We can still Love everyone unconditionally, even if people are different (and they certainly are). It is a mistake to believe Love requires us to blind ourselves to differences, and only see similarity.

In fact, it is impossible to truly Love anyone, if you stick your head in the sand and refuse to see them exactly for what they are! What kind of "Love" is that, which is directed at a projected idealized image of a person, rather than at the actual person made of flesh, blood and soul? It's a fake Love!

To truly Love what is, you must first recognize what is. Warts and all.

I believe in the "soul age" concept because I can see ample evidence of it all around me. People are indeed acting according to certain prototypes corresponding to soul age. When a scientific model fits the evidence, it's considered a useful tool.

The fact I recognize myself in the descriptions of old souls hasn't made me look down on others. On the contrary, the soul age concept explains exactly WHY everyone around me seems to be so different, why I have never fit in with the majority around me. And with this understanding, my patience and compassion with those who are experiencing earlier soul ages has improved substantially!

There are seven major soul ages, the five lowest of which can be found incarnating on this planet. Each such soul age has seven sub-levels. It is my current BELIEF that people of at least the fourth sub-level of the third level may qualify for the upcoming ascension (late young souls and later). These are the ones that have crossed the 3.5-barrier, the half-point, where the Heart is finally recognized as important, even if it still not always followed.

Early young souls are entirely oriented towards maximizing their impact and reward in this 3D-environment, so it is only logical they will stay with something similar until their need changes. It's not that they're not "good enough" for ascension, as much as they simply do not wish it on a soul level! They aren't done with this experience yet! What would you say if someone offered you a ride to a party, right in the middle of a wonderful movie you were enjoying greatly? Wouldn't you say "thanks but no thanks, I really want to see how this movie ends"?

But it's a different matter with those who have already watched the movie before, and who are getting bored with it. "A party you say? I'm in!"

That's how the separation of those who ascend will be. There is no judgement involved, just a decision on the soul level to go where you truly want to go.

But that is just my belief, and I can't provide any solid evidence whatsoever for it. It's just based on my personal "feelings" and ability to "sense the vibrations" of a lot of esoteric information sources. Take it or leave it.
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It's not a personality flaw to acknowledge yourself as being more accomplished than someone else in some respect, if that is indeed the case.

Some people cook tastier food than others, some people are smarter than others, some people run faster than others, some people dance better than others.

And yes, some souls have actually been at this 3D duality game a bit longer than others, and they see the world a bit differently as a result. Unwillingness to accept this fact doesn't make it go away!

There is no judgement in the concept of "soul age", only recognition of a simple truth: not everyone have progressed equally far at this point in time!

We came from the same place, we're going to the same place, but we aren't on the same step of the ladder right now!

We can still Love everyone unconditionally, even if people are different (and they certainly are). It is a mistake to believe Love requires us to blind ourselves to differences, and only see similarity.

In fact, it is impossible to truly Love anyone, if you stick your head in the sand and refuse to see them exactly for what they are! What kind of "Love" is that, which is directed at a projected idealized image of a person, rather than at the actual person made of flesh, blood and soul? It's a fake Love!

To truly Love what is, you must first recognize what is. Warts and all.

I believe in the "soul age" concept because I can see ample evidence of it all around me. People are indeed acting according to certain prototypes corresponding to soul age. When a scientific model fits the evidence, it's considered a useful tool.

The fact I recognize myself in the descriptions of old souls hasn't made me look down on others. On the contrary, the soul age concept explains exactly WHY everyone around me seems to be so different, why I have never fit in with the majority around me. And with this understanding, my patience and compassion with those who are experiencing earlier soul ages has improved substantially!

There are seven major soul ages, the five lowest of which can be found incarnating on this planet. Each such soul age has seven sub-levels. It is my current BELIEF that people of at least the fourth sub-level of the third level may qualify for the upcoming ascension (late young souls and later). These are the ones that have crossed the 3.5-barrier, the half-point, where the Heart is finally recognized as important, even if it still not always followed.

Early young souls are entirely oriented towards maximizing their impact and reward in this 3D-environment, so it is only logical they will stay with something similar until their need changes. It's not that they're not "good enough" for ascension, as much as they simply do not wish it on a soul level! They aren't done with this experience yet! What would you say if someone offered you a ride to a party, right in the middle of a wonderful movie you were enjoying greatly? Wouldn't you say "thanks but no thanks, I really want to see how this movie ends"?

But it's a different matter with those who have already watched the movie before, and who are getting bored with it. "A party you say? I'm in!"

That's how the separation of those who ascend will be. There is no judgement involved, just a decision on the soul level to go where you truly want to go.

But that is just my belief, and I can't provide any solid evidence whatsoever for it. It's just based on my personal "feelings" and ability to "sense the vibrations" of a lot of esoteric information sources. Take it or leave it.
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Excellent!!
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Sorry, I know my posts are short and sweet right now.... I'm on a conference call that's fairly boring but I have to keep one ear in :)

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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
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You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
 Quoting: Sandrose


I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

if you want it simply and quick, imagine these stages in this manner:

The Call->The Search->The Struggle->The Breakthrough->The Return


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BULLSHIT
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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
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You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
 Quoting: Sandrose


I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


I find it rather interesting that those here identifying themselves as old souls are the ones expressing, with humility, equality of souls without judgement....

It's those who seem not to identify themselves as old souls that are insisting on the judgement!!

Kismet
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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
 Quoting: Sandrose


I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


I find it rather interesting that those here identifying themselves as old souls are the ones expressing, with humility, equality of souls without judgement....

It's those who seem not to identify themselves as old souls that are insisting on the judgement!!

Kismet
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People are good actors pretending spiritual. Look at all those Indian gurus that pretend spiritual and look at their followers

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