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Stage 5: The Old Soul

 
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
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^this^
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You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
 Quoting: Sandrose


I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


I find it rather interesting that those here identifying themselves as old souls are the ones expressing, with humility, equality of souls without judgement....

It's those who seem not to identify themselves as old souls that are insisting on the judgement!!

Kismet
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People are good actors pretending spiritual. Look at all those Indian gurus that pretend spiritual and look at their followers
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Indeed, SOME people pretend spirituality, or do you think they ALL do?
Per your example, do you believe ALL Indian gurus pretend? Have you met them ALL? :)

That's a lot of judgement...

Kismet
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Why bother "labeling" people here? How do you know that older souls prefer socialism? Since when is Libertarianism about "getting ahead"?... that is not what it is about. I am a Libertarian, not to get ahead, but because I love the idea of individual freedom and rights- no labels or groups, because we are INDIVIDUALS... we are all unique. That is the beauty of it.
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I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


I find it rather interesting that those here identifying themselves as old souls are the ones expressing, with humility, equality of souls without judgement....

It's those who seem not to identify themselves as old souls that are insisting on the judgement!!

Kismet
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People are good actors pretending spiritual. Look at all those Indian gurus that pretend spiritual and look at their followers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418


Indeed, SOME people pretend spirituality, or do you think they ALL do?
Per your example, do you believe ALL Indian gurus pretend? Have you met them ALL? :)

That's a lot of judgement...

Kismet
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I think this whole world is bullshit

I think they're all conmen

I think this world is a con

I don't even think souls exist
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I knew a reincarnated korean that was an old seoul.

What do I win?
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In one of my lucid dreams, I asked how old my soul was to others on 'Earth'. Two columns of sand manifested and they started counting up. The one on the right stopped in the thousands. Mine, just kept running on and on, climbing faster and faster, never stopping.

I remember thinking, "O-o-o-o-k-k-k-k" scratching
Saptaparna ~
Seven-leaves, sevenfold; the man-plant, sevenfold man, seven-principled human being.
~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

 Quoting: Funney


I'm aware that compartmentalization of yourself and others is therapeutic, but it divides us. I'm also aware that we are all connected.

Were these 5 stages your soul's personal evolution in this incarnation?

Everyone's path is different.

hf
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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In one of my lucid dreams, I asked how old my soul was to others on 'Earth'. Two columns of sand manifested and they started counting up. The one on the right stopped in the thousands. Mine, just kept running on and on, climbing faster and faster, never stopping.

I remember thinking, "O-o-o-o-k-k-k-k" scratching
 Quoting: Saptaparna


We're all just as old :) Perhaps the right question would be how evolved you are compared to the rest?
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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In one of my lucid dreams, I asked how old my soul was to others on 'Earth'. Two columns of sand manifested and they started counting up. The one on the right stopped in the thousands. Mine, just kept running on and on, climbing faster and faster, never stopping.

I remember thinking, "O-o-o-o-k-k-k-k" scratching
 Quoting: Saptaparna


We're all just as old :) Perhaps the right question would be how evolved you are compared to the rest?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


It was funny, because I played around in that area for hours, and the 'entities' (human looking) were definitely mischievous. They were fun though, because at the time I could not get any guides that wanted anything to do with me, so it started getting a little boring. I'm so weird, lol
Saptaparna ~
Seven-leaves, sevenfold; the man-plant, sevenfold man, seven-principled human being.
~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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In one of my lucid dreams, I asked how old my soul was to others on 'Earth'. Two columns of sand manifested and they started counting up. The one on the right stopped in the thousands. Mine, just kept running on and on, climbing faster and faster, never stopping.

I remember thinking, "O-o-o-o-k-k-k-k" scratching
 Quoting: Saptaparna


We're all just as old :) Perhaps the right question would be how evolved you are compared to the rest?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


It was funny, because I played around in that area for hours, and the 'entities' (human looking) were definitely mischievous. They were fun though, because at the time I could not get any guides that wanted anything to do with me, so it started getting a little boring. I'm so weird, lol
 Quoting: Saptaparna


It's hard for me to tell whereabouts in the Etheric plane you're going from your previous posts. Do you want to do some entity work?

Try giving some kind of offering to a holy Angel before leaving this plane...

Uriel the Archangel for instance is for spiritual development and guidance. It would be appropriate to wear some red and light a red candle.

Then recite a litany to the Holy Archangels (with Uriel included)
[link to michaelseblux.wordpress.com]

Here's the traditional Anglican prayer:

Oh holy Saint Uriel, intercede for us that our hearts may burn with the fire of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
Assist us in co-operating with the graces of our confirmation that the gifts of the
Holy Spirit may bear much fruit in our souls.
Obtain for us the grace to use the sword of truth to pare away all that is not in conformity to the most adorable
Will of God in our lives, that we may fully participate in the army of the Church
Amen

Don't be too put off with the Christian tones; I banish with holy water before scrying and it works a LOT better than the LBRP, etc. It's very noticeable.

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~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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hey phan!
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In our original home, no negative things exist, that's why we had to go through all this trouble to be able to experience them!
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There is nothing we had to. This is to make us accept a corrupt system as being the norm.
In the original home, there is no value put on things. Only when you will again stop putting value on things you will find the path again. Good or evil is preparing you for the next incarnation, not your freedom.
 Quoting: Sandrose


The part I bolded is exactly the point. In our original home, there is indeed no value put on things. We were living in "Heaven", but we didn't have the taste buds to appreciate it to the full, so to speak.

The creation of the world of illusion we now inhabit, was done with a purpose: to allow us to learn to appreciate what is even better, by first experiencing what is not!

Darkness, pain, suffering, separation, fear, ...

These things ARE NOT! Indeed they cannot possibly be, because they are contrary to the way true reality works at its core!

Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!

Quite clever.

Why wouldn't they? Young souls are sufficiently skilled in the sublime art of clicking on links on the internet, aren't they?
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Ask children soldier this.
Google will not think for you. If you do not see anything wrong in your reality, why would you search the internet.
Even if you click on the link, it takes you a certain knowledge to be able to sort out what's good or not to you. If you do not have it, you end up in another esoteric MK group and never get aware you went into it because people are talking so much about love and flowers. You will become another psychic children soldier with not even the world to have a chance of telling you what is wrong (would you believe it anyway? No it would be a manipulation from an undefined TPTB).
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Children soldiers are most likely infant souls, choosing a life experience that cuts to the chase when it comes to learning survival at its most primal. I agree they aren't likely to search the deeper recesses of the internet.

But we were talking about young souls here!


I'll write a short description of the soul ages for you:

1. Infant Souls. Are learning survival in the human form, and getting to know the meaning of "conflict". And so that's what their life experience will be centered around. They will probably NOT post on GLP!

2. Baby Souls. Have figured out there has to be a way to make sense of this world, and think they have found it in some system of RIGID LAW. They are orthodox jews, bible-bashing christians, and fundamentalist muslims. Their political views are likewise inherited without questioning, and firm like bedrock. They WILL come to GLP, to "save" everyone else by spreading their new-found wisdom!

3. Young Souls. Have mastered everything about this life! They are the inventors, engineers, statesmen, business leaders, cultural stars and so on. Practically everyone that "made a name" for themselves is a young soul, because they are focused on just that - conquering and mastering the illusionary world around them. They prefer to be atheists, and are drawn to political views like libertarianism, because it's about rewarding those who get ahead. They will come to GLP to argue too, if their heavy schedule allows it!

4. Mature Souls. Have developed a soft spot for the weak and suffering, and enjoy New Age messages of Love and Light. Politically, they are often drawn to socialism, because they wish to help their fellow man. Of course, socialism has a track record of creating hell on Earth, but the Mature Soul wishes it would work. It's the Heart path, after all.

5. Old Souls. Have lost interest in the world for the most part, and are trying to improve themselves, with little regard for whether that quest will lead to external success or not. And so it rarely does. They have a great sense of humor, and can actually come off as trolls to those who do not understand their relaxed attitude. They come to GLP, because of the relative lack of censorship - they prefer facing themselves and others as they truly are, rather than keeping up appearances. They will post inspiring posts one minute, and crude jokes the next, because they are all that, and more. And they fully accept and embrace this.
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OK MR. Sweden..You get the prize.. a right and proper evaluation! LOL. oh yes you all know I AM after all an OLD SOUL who has tried..sometimes successfully (altho it is true I don't care) and sometimes I do get good Karma for all my effort.. and YES I came to GLP for that very reason.. BUT I will add one more thing..OLD SOULS do NOT suffer fools or regard Mature Souls as having what needs to be used to find themselves.. work ethic. This is very important for all you Libs that are somehow deluded into thinking they have the high ground because they use Crystals or Meditate or vote for Obama..he IS EVIL incarnate and that one statement in highlights tells it all. And because I DO have knowledge that many of you lack..I will be kind and when I say I KNOW it is because I DO... those that argue with me..which I have taken great care to only do when necessary.. must understand what a shift it is to go to Old soul..when your ego no longer props you up..all your "friends" disappear and you are left with KNOWING but also WAITING for that moment when the Mature Soul...understands what is happening to them. Rough road..and I may add that True Christians/Catholics and Jews can NEVER make. When I realized this in this lifetime I really had to fall back on my Shaolin Training. One that taught me NO ONE RELIGION..shows you the path. It is a little from all..it is the GREAT BROTHERHOOD OF LIGHT..the WHITE LIGHT that is the COMBINATION OF ALL COLORS ALL RELIGIONS that you draw from.. no kidding! So I agree with this poster on his assessment..with the added part of course..
Stand strong in the true light of your Divine Inner Self and Infinite Source.
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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
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You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
 Quoting: Sandrose


I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


In a way this is true, old souls are usually humble. But it's not necessarily the case an old soul will always hide meekly in the shadows, just to not hurt anyone's feelings by calling attention to himself.

I didn't state that the guy in question is a young soul, because I could quite frankly not determine this to 100 % with anyone other than myself. I just stated that his words were those of a young soul. This doesn't prove anything. We all "regress" at times, and the dedicated researcher could easily dig up plenty of posts by me that don't exactly vibe with great old soul wisdom either. It happens!

Anyway, it wasn't meant in a derogatory way, even though I can see how it could be read like that. It's one of the pitfalls of being an old soul, our mischievous ornery humor can so easily be misunderstood...

I often get in trouble from this. For instance, someone gave me negative karma on my GLP account (which I hardly bother to use), and was apparently upset with me for being a pedophile!

I don't know exactly what I said to cause this mistaken perception, but I'm pretty sure it was an attempt to lighten up the mood of an online lynching party with some old soul humor. Old souls often try to defuse tense situations this way. It never works, but we keep doing it anyway.

You have to realize, I have a hard time judging anyone, and that includes pedophiles! Sure, I wouldn't leave them alone around children, but I can't really condemn them, because I actually understand them!

The old soul has "been there, done that" in some earlier life when it comes to just about anything. We aren't strangers to anything human, not even the worst actions!

The pedophile is a beautiful soul just like anyone else. He has just lost touch with his own purity and innocence, and as a result he is drawn towards children, who possess that which he seeks. But since he loathes himself and is totally estranged to the child within, he then destroys and corrupt that which he loves - the purity and innocence of a child.

I understand this. I can feel with him. I don't want to kick his face in, I only wish to heal him, to guide him towards the love of self that will redeem him! Because, as Jesus said, the trick is to love others as you love yourself, and the love of self is the first step.

This doesn't mean I condone the pedophile's actions, or would hire him as a baby-sitter. And it doesn't mean I'm a pedophile either.

But it does mean I'm an old soul!

And I'm not ashamed of telling it, when the topic comes up to discussion. If it makes you feel bad to hear someone claiming to be an old soul, that's a hint of some psychological issue within you that you could explore, and grow through healing. Everything that makes you angry is best treated that way.
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Why bother "labeling" people here? How do you know that older souls prefer socialism? Since when is Libertarianism about "getting ahead"?... that is not what it is about. I am a Libertarian, not to get ahead, but because I love the idea of individual freedom and rights- no labels or groups, because we are INDIVIDUALS... we are all unique. That is the beauty of it.
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As the original poster said about young souls:

"In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge."

That's pretty much exactly your mindset!

And that's why I said the young soul resonates with Libertarianism. This ideology does demand that the one who sows shall be the one to harvest, which is very much a young soul ideology! And why wouldn't it be, young souls after all being such competent and busy little bees! Why shouldn't they get to keep what they create?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong about people thinking that way, I'm just saying it's young soul thinking. Have fun with being a young soul while it lasts, you'll soon enough turn into a bleeding-heart mature soul, wishing to redistribute the fruit of the young souls' work to the poor and suffering. Nothing wrong with that either, in moderation, it just happens to be mature soul thinking.

There is nothing wrong with being a young soul!

In fact, I almost envy you guys, because you are still having so much fun exploring yourselves on this plane of existence! Being a jaded and grumpy old soul that can hardly be bothered to "put food on his family" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Don't wish your youth away, physically or spiritually, it will be gone soon enough.
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
 Quoting: Sandrose


You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Indeed. It has nothing to do with being greater or lesser than others, or feeling "elected." Nor does it have anything to do with DNA - if anything, your physical DNA will work against your true nature. What it is is simply having experienced more than others - that's no reason to say I'm better than you, or really that I know better than you (because truth is relative to the individual and is shaped according to the experiences that happen to them), it simply means I've seen a lot more, been through a lot more, realized a lot more, etc...which, in time, so will you.

Now, the good news is that everything is circular, and just like spring comes after winter, so too do the stages. Being an old soul doesn't mean reaching the end, but a new beginning. Not a complete fresh start, as my experiences and gained truths will still be with me (if not in memory then in my heart), but at the same time it will be like I'm a brand new soul all over again. And the same goes for every other soul - including yours. hf
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Yes, you can tell the other "old souls" on here by what they post, like in this life some people are older, have more experience and wisdom, the young souls won't listen to the "stupid old man" who doesn't know what the hell hes talking about, we are here to spread that wisdom, if they don't want to listen I fear they won't leave this world!
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
 Quoting: Sandrose


You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Indeed. It has nothing to do with being greater or lesser than others, or feeling "elected." Nor does it have anything to do with DNA - if anything, your physical DNA will work against your true nature. What it is is simply having experienced more than others - that's no reason to say I'm better than you, or really that I know better than you (because truth is relative to the individual and is shaped according to the experiences that happen to them), it simply means I've seen a lot more, been through a lot more, realized a lot more, etc...which, in time, so will you.

Now, the good news is that everything is circular, and just like spring comes after winter, so too do the stages. Being an old soul doesn't mean reaching the end, but a new beginning. Not a complete fresh start, as my experiences and gained truths will still be with me (if not in memory then in my heart), but at the same time it will be like I'm a brand new soul all over again. And the same goes for every other soul - including yours. hf
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Your DNA has much to do. This defines how well or how bad you are able to process information. Within a dysfunctional body and less than appropriate information, the capacity of your soul is less than rubbish because you will not have the tools to even receive the hints from your soul.

Blame a blind for not being able to see colours.
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You seem to still be looking at things through "dogmatic view of science" colored glasses, open your mind a little more and you will see that science is catching up with spirituality and what scientist once thought could be explained by science can no longer be explained by science, have a read of this article and let me know what you think!

[link to www.sodahead.com]
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OK MR. Sweden..You get the prize.. a right and proper evaluation! LOL. oh yes you all know I AM after all an OLD SOUL who has tried..sometimes successfully (altho it is true I don't care) and sometimes I do get good Karma for all my effort.. and YES I came to GLP for that very reason.. BUT I will add one more thing..OLD SOULS do NOT suffer fools or regard Mature Souls as having what needs to be used to find themselves.. work ethic. This is very important for all you Libs that are somehow deluded into thinking they have the high ground because they use Crystals or Meditate or vote for Obama..he IS EVIL incarnate and that one statement in highlights tells it all. And because I DO have knowledge that many of you lack..I will be kind and when I say I KNOW it is because I DO... those that argue with me..which I have taken great care to only do when necessary.. must understand what a shift it is to go to Old soul..when your ego no longer props you up..all your "friends" disappear and you are left with KNOWING but also WAITING for that moment when the Mature Soul...understands what is happening to them. Rough road..and I may add that True Christians/Catholics and Jews can NEVER make. When I realized this in this lifetime I really had to fall back on my Shaolin Training. One that taught me NO ONE RELIGION..shows you the path. It is a little from all..it is the GREAT BROTHERHOOD OF LIGHT..the WHITE LIGHT that is the COMBINATION OF ALL COLORS ALL RELIGIONS that you draw from.. no kidding! So I agree with this poster on his assessment..with the added part of course..
 Quoting: WhiteLight


Thanks!
hf

(I'm currently trying to learn to acknowledge those who agree with me too, not just argue with those who don't. It's surprisingly hard.)
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It's not about being above others, it's only about being more experienced in the physical, in the same way a 5th grader is more experienced than a 3rd grader.

This is not the same as being "superior". We are all equals as souls, and we are all older than the Universe itself, even those termed "infant souls"! They are not at all new and inexperienced as souls, they are just new at the duality game we're currently exploring.

Hope that helps!
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


What does it matter to be experienced to be reborn in a new family with active memory wiped out and a family doing everything to prevent you to find your potential out of superstition or because a mainstream book says it is bad.

It helps very much to say "jay, I'm an old soul!".
As per your definition no young soul would find their way on this forum anyway.

I would rather bet that since the side a soul is taking is predestined by the first experience on this earth, any first time soul would be currently on the worst MK environment of this planet.
 Quoting: Sandrose


Old souls are naturally attracted to each other, we know who is who by what we say, it is not hard to see who is an old soul friend, try to open your mind a little more and you might see us!

peace love and light!
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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

if you want it simply and quick, imagine these stages in this manner:

The Call->The Search->The Struggle->The Breakthrough->The Return


feel free to ask
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 Quoting: Funney


Thks for yr post Funney - I have read that the soul builds the body. And so an infant soul builds a down syndrome body, and in the eyes of the Universe it is a perfect body as it reflects the point of consciousness the soul has reached.
The body is refined in each reincarnation until no trace of downs syndrome is seen and the body becomes taller, leaner, no stubby fingers, and the ears become nicely placed etc.

Would welcome yr comments.
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Physically speaking this is a somewhat true analogy. I have always thought that Down's babies were a gift from the GREAT ONE for the parents..to understand..to see in real time the development of the Soul progression. I do think we should go a bit deeper in honest analysis as I understand I KNOW that the incarnation of an individual comes with THE SOULS request for experience.. so that the LESSONS that lead to the right consciousness are learned within a lifetime. Service is a tough hurdle for most souls they work on it for many lifetimes to understand that FOCUS and AUTHENTICITY are the keys. Nothing more Authentic than a Down's Child. Nothing other than focus is what is required to have one and to raise them. Which brings me to choice. Let's say as a woman that is told you are bearing a Down's Baby..she ends up with a choice..right? Bear it or not? So we do have this in life in real time..no illusions here.. how about any Abortion? Do you karmically advance or not? Most people think Suicide is a Karma thing.. it is against your OWN soul request..your OWN Karma that you will have AGAIN to repeat the lessons. That is also why their IS definitive truth. IT IS ABOUT REALITY. About your interior connection to the ALL.. that does it for today's lesson.. as many that came before me.. I thank you for this forum.
Stand strong in the true light of your Divine Inner Self and Infinite Source.
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AC 300884 and AC 27611142 - thanx for sharing as you have... we are kindred :)

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Yes we are!

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Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

1. In the first stage, as an infant soul, it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
2. In the second stage, as a baby soul, it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
3. In the third stage, as a young soul, it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
4. In the fourth stage, as a mature soul, it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.


So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization, seeking experiences which provide personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. This could be found in, say, acting, painting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

if you want it simply and quick, imagine these stages in this manner:

The Call->The Search->The Struggle->The Breakthrough->The Return


feel free to ask
its free and its time

abduct
 Quoting: Funney


I'm there.
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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In our original home, no negative things exist, that's why we had to go through all this trouble to be able to experience them!
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There is nothing we had to. This is to make us accept a corrupt system as being the norm.
In the original home, there is no value put on things. Only when you will again stop putting value on things you will find the path again. Good or evil is preparing you for the next incarnation, not your freedom.
 Quoting: Sandrose


The part I bolded is exactly the point. In our original home, there is indeed no value put on things. We were living in "Heaven", but we didn't have the taste buds to appreciate it to the full, so to speak.

The creation of the world of illusion we now inhabit, was done with a purpose: to allow us to learn to appreciate what is even better, by first experiencing what is not!

Darkness, pain, suffering, separation, fear, ...

These things ARE NOT! Indeed they cannot possibly be, because they are contrary to the way true reality works at its core!

Hence the world of Maya, and the veil of forgetting. A place of illusion where we can experience being separated, even though such a thing is logically impossible!

Quite clever.

Why wouldn't they? Young souls are sufficiently skilled in the sublime art of clicking on links on the internet, aren't they?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Ask children soldier this.
Google will not think for you. If you do not see anything wrong in your reality, why would you search the internet.
Even if you click on the link, it takes you a certain knowledge to be able to sort out what's good or not to you. If you do not have it, you end up in another esoteric MK group and never get aware you went into it because people are talking so much about love and flowers. You will become another psychic children soldier with not even the world to have a chance of telling you what is wrong (would you believe it anyway? No it would be a manipulation from an undefined TPTB).
 Quoting: Sandrose


Children soldiers are most likely infant souls, choosing a life experience that cuts to the chase when it comes to learning survival at its most primal. I agree they aren't likely to search the deeper recesses of the internet.

But we were talking about young souls here!


I'll write a short description of the soul ages for you:

1. Infant Souls. Are learning survival in the human form, and getting to know the meaning of "conflict". And so that's what their life experience will be centered around. They will probably NOT post on GLP!

2. Baby Souls. Have figured out there has to be a way to make sense of this world, and think they have found it in some system of RIGID LAW. They are orthodox jews, bible-bashing christians, and fundamentalist muslims. Their political views are likewise inherited without questioning, and firm like bedrock. They WILL come to GLP, to "save" everyone else by spreading their new-found wisdom!

3. Young Souls. Have mastered everything about this life! They are the inventors, engineers, statesmen, business leaders, cultural stars and so on. Practically everyone that "made a name" for themselves is a young soul, because they are focused on just that - conquering and mastering the illusionary world around them. They prefer to be atheists, and are drawn to political views like libertarianism, because it's about rewarding those who get ahead. They will come to GLP to argue too, if their heavy schedule allows it!

4. Mature Souls. Have developed a soft spot for the weak and suffering, and enjoy New Age messages of Love and Light. Politically, they are often drawn to socialism, because they wish to help their fellow man. Of course, socialism has a track record of creating hell on Earth, but the Mature Soul wishes it would work. It's the Heart path, after all.

5. Old Souls. Have lost interest in the world for the most part, and are trying to improve themselves, with little regard for whether that quest will lead to external success or not. And so it rarely does. They have a great sense of humor, and can actually come off as trolls to those who do not understand their relaxed attitude. They come to GLP, because of the relative lack of censorship - they prefer facing themselves and others as they truly are, rather than keeping up appearances. They will post inspiring posts one minute, and crude jokes the next, because they are all that, and more. And they fully accept and embrace this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Wow, thanks you just put another piece in my puzzle, could you explain the soul coming from the heart, this one I'm having a hard time with!
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In one of my lucid dreams, I asked how old my soul was to others on 'Earth'. Two columns of sand manifested and they started counting up. The one on the right stopped in the thousands. Mine, just kept running on and on, climbing faster and faster, never stopping.

I remember thinking, "O-o-o-o-k-k-k-k" scratching
 Quoting: Saptaparna


We're all just as old :) Perhaps the right question would be how evolved you are compared to the rest?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


It was funny, because I played around in that area for hours, and the 'entities' (human looking) were definitely mischievous. They were fun though, because at the time I could not get any guides that wanted anything to do with me, so it started getting a little boring. I'm so weird, lol
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It's hard for me to tell whereabouts in the Etheric plane you're going from your previous posts. Do you want to do some entity work?

Try giving some kind of offering to a holy Angel before leaving this plane...

Uriel the Archangel for instance is for spiritual development and guidance. It would be appropriate to wear some red and light a red candle.

Then recite a litany to the Holy Archangels (with Uriel included)
[link to michaelseblux.wordpress.com]

Here's the traditional Anglican prayer:

Oh holy Saint Uriel, intercede for us that our hearts may burn with the fire of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
Assist us in co-operating with the graces of our confirmation that the gifts of the
Holy Spirit may bear much fruit in our souls.
Obtain for us the grace to use the sword of truth to pare away all that is not in conformity to the most adorable
Will of God in our lives, that we may fully participate in the army of the Church
Amen

Don't be too put off with the Christian tones; I banish with holy water before scrying and it works a LOT better than the LBRP, etc. It's very noticeable.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Man, I get so cautious taking others advice on astral stuff.

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~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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You may not realize it, but that's young soul talk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


You may not realize it, but it's young soul talk to be wanting to be defined above others.

You have not yet the awareness that it is all the same.
 Quoting: Sandrose


I'd have to agree. Even if the young soul/old soul stuff were true, an "old soul" would not call attention to themselves nor would they point out a young soul in a derogatory manner. Humility would reign.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


Why wouldn't they call attention to themselves, Nostradamus had to hide his message because he had to worry about getting hanged for heresy, Edgar Cayce didn't have to worry about getting hanged so he shared the information he was given, it is 2012, kind of naive to think that we would hide the message we have been told to share, dontcha think?
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
 Quoting: Sandrose


Maybe OP expressed it a way which you found jarring. From my perspective an "old soul", is one that has spent a lot of time on the earth cycle and is coming to he end of its education here.
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There is no such thing as old or young soul. A soul is timeless, soul has no date of creation it had always been here at the part of the whole. This is MK stuff to make some people (especially in esoteric areas) feel themselves "elected".

You are the product of the potential given by your DNA and your upbringing/past history. Maybe "your" soul had more experience in refining what it wanted to be, that's all.

A so called old soul doing nothing of this potential in this life and waiting for everything as given may end up as a monkey next life for wasting the chance.
 Quoting: Sandrose


Maybe OP expressed it a way which you found jarring. From my perspective an "old soul", is one that has spent a lot of time on the earth cycle and is coming to he end of its education here.
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Good way to put it in one sentence!peace
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All ego bullshit

Fake madeup bullshit

I'm a baby soul
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