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Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?

 
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I frimly believe that all the trumpets are released DURING the tribulation period. I'm open to suggestions but I don't see how anyone could argue that even of the seals have been opened yet. A "third of the trees havn't been burn't up yet" "A third part of the sea is not blood yet" and we havn't had any comet fragments ruin any part of earth yet. I don't think the judgements neccesarily come in order either because IMHO th 5th trumpet has alrady sounded and yes the 6th trumpet with the four horsemen killing 1/4 of mankind (most likely world war 3) is very near.

Hopefully we are raptured before the real chaos begins.
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You accept false teachings so you dont know the truth.Translations are wrong for a start but you like most REFUSE to question translations.All seals are open.
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I know the Greek in the original manuscripts available and I can state that the translations are acceptable for the Book of Revelation.

The book works sequencially. Seven seals, followed by seven trumpets, followed by seven bowls of God's wrath, which coincides with the fifth trumpet.

You can argue that the seals have not began the opening process. There is absolutely no doubt that the sixth seal has NOT been opened. The translation is correct. The text reads:

"I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?'"
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Thank you Lisa*Lisa for your reply... that was another piece of the puzzle I needed... :)
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It's all metaphor for Christ's sake.

Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order
behind the visible.
Eerie and startling adventures await you.
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yeah, and ignorance of spiritual realities is the road to demonic influence in your life... perhaps you are already in an "eerie adventure"

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why do non believers come on threads about God ,because they want to start a argument and for what, why do you people look for arguments ,if u dont believe then dont come on the thread simple as that
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Read my statement above, I'm not a "non believer", my belief is just not limited to earth or a specific book. The reason why I "come on threads about God" is to show you what a narrow pettiness a typical earth-centric belief is.
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Jesus tell those people who are called to Him to "overcome the earth". The entire Bible is filled with the same message. It is the beast from the EARTH that gives the mark and wants worship.

MAN. Looking to and placing MAN above God. Forsaking God.
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Thank you Lisa*Lisa for your reply... that was another piece of the puzzle I needed... :)
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You're welcome. Email me if you ever need someone to talk to. My email address is in my signature line.

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Hey, where you been? Late to the party.

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Christians we aren't in Revelation.

For the last 2000 years Christians have been thinking they live in the end times. They have been wrong every time. Think what the must have thought during the black plague? We are living in some of the best times to live in although it may not feel like it.

The "end times" will come at the end of this age which is around 2150 when we move out of the age of Pisces (Jesus).
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“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
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Hello LisaLisa. You spoke of the Book of Matthew, expressly Chapter 24. This [link to thechronicleproject.org] is a transliteration from the original(???) Hebrew language text.

There are other prophetic chapters from biblical texts available, too. This one, in particular stuck in my mine. Interesting you quoted it.
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Hello LisaLisa. You spoke of the Book of Matthew, expressly Chapter 24. This [link to thechronicleproject.org] is a transliteration from the original(???) Hebrew language text.

There are other prophetic chapters from biblical texts available, too. This one, in particular stuck in my mine. Interesting you quoted it.
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Wow, talk about hard to read........lol.


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why do non believers come on threads about God ,because they want to start a argument and for what, why do you people look for arguments ,if u dont believe then dont come on the thread simple as that
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Read my statement above, I'm not a "non believer", my belief is just not limited to earth or a specific book. The reason why I "come on threads about God" is to show you what a narrow pettiness a typical earth-centric belief is.
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Jesus tell those people who are called to Him to "overcome the earth". The entire Bible is filled with the same message. It is the beast from the EARTH that gives the mark and wants worship.

MAN. Looking to and placing MAN above God. Forsaking God.
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You don't get it. There are probably billions of bible versions in the universe ... and they all tell that THEIR planet is the choosen one. True belief is not bound to a specific planet.
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
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You silly christians still waiting for the son of God to visit earth? Even though he is a man, lol. Morons. Jesus is a prophet not God!!! Get it through your thick skulls. God does NOT SHIT. That is only for animals/humans!!!!

God is one, he has no son!!!! I think before the 7th trumpet, Jesus, will be making a long 40 yr long visit to earth :).

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Hey, where you been? Late to the party.

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hi Parent-teacher conferences tdown chuckle

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can you talk about how you came to your conclusions please--I am interested...

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the rational mind is the one who tries to reach conclusions. And although this process is fit for factual things, it will run in vain trying to reach conclusions that pertain to spiritual truths.

the soul/spirit on the other hand listens in reverence and it is shown, and it knows the truth based upon the specific feeling and state associated with those experiences.

the decision each human being has to make is at the level of its own micro-universe. The battle between the soul and the personality/ego, or between Christ and the adversary is fought within.
and the result of that battle is manifested in the small actions outside one's inner universe.

those of the soul act in goodwill, magnanimity, tolerance, humbleness, sacrifice for the other.

those of the adversary act with malice, greed, deceit, egoism etc.

when one decisively tips the scale in favor of the soul/Christ, certain things are revealed. Basically, it is the truth behind 'As in heavens, so below'.

what i said above is based upon what i lived and experienced. if you resonate with it, i am glad to share.

another thing. what it is so easily forgotten in this discussions about the end of times, is that what is essential according to the teaching of Christ is the Soul, as opposed to the earthly body/mind/personality.

As long as one is at peace in one's soul, what happens in physical manifestation is irrelevant.

If one is not yet there, there is enough information that Something is happening, the the Time is short. And the only wise course of action according to the way of Christ, is doing whatever is needed to reach inner peace, and be fully grounded in one's soul. This means according to case, changing of attitude towards others, towards life etc. And then, come what may.

But when one is not yet content in one's soul and feels fear to the signs of doom/end of times and searches with one's own mind details to know for sure the Grand Schedule, this is only running from one's self.
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If we were in the 7 year tribulation we would see the anti-christ make a covenant with many for 7 years(the last 7 years of the earth), in other words the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. The antichrist and the false prophet do the deal with rebuilding the 3rd temple to allow Jews to worship in it. As a result the Jews will think this is the promised Messiah. At the same time the "two witnesses" of revelation will begin building "the spiritual temple" of God that cannot be destroyed, as the antichrist and false prophet are building the physical temple that will be defiled by the antichrist 42 months after it is the decree to build it. Also there is 42 months before the 7 year tribulation that people don't recognize and it is the destruction of America and the tearing down of idols that the children of God become a holy people again and turn back to God
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How do you know that a peace treaty hasn't been signed? Truth is, we only know what "they" allow us to know, which isn't much.

How can the 2 witnesses build "the spiritual temple", when We Are the spiritual temple of God? Says so in the bible.

The dome of the rock might very well be the abomination of desolation........see what I mean?

These things might be a little different then we thought.

I'm open minded enough to know that the traditional interpretation of these things might not be right.

I do not know one way or another.
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If the temple was gave the go ahead the you could not stop the Jews from posting on youtube that it was happening, and this world leader would have the Jews hanging on his every word, that hasn't happened. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD...in josephs' time there was a physical famine in the land for 7 years at the end there is a spiritual famine in the land. Josephs 7 year physical famine was a foreshadow of the 7 year spiritual famine of the word of God(the bread). God will raise up a servant like Moses and send an Aaron with him(two witnesses) doesn't matter if you call them elijah and enoch or moses and aaron, or joshua and zerubabbel..etc...all of these were foreshadows of Gods end time servant who will feed the people during the 7 year tribulation. Everything starts out physical in the bible and ends with the spiritual. The last two witnesses will represent Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve started out with physical children that is why Eve needed to be female to populate the world but in the end the two witnesses representing Adam and Eve do not need to be male and female. The two witnesses purpose in the end is to build the spiritual temple because there is a famine of the word of God and to build the temple people need to hear and accept salvation through Jesus Christ(that is how you become the temple of Jesus Christ). To show there is no need for Adam and Eve to be male and female in the end:galations 3:28:There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.. Everytime there was something bad happening in the bible God always rose some one up to lead the people...I could go on about joshua and zerubabbel representing being the two witnesses and building the(spiritual) temple but this is long enough already
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All you have to do is watch: End Time Ministries with Irvin Baxter. He is the one who came to the conclusion that the first 6 trumpets were already sounded. He gives great evidence for each trumpet blown. He goes onto say about the 7th trumpet that will be blown at any moment.. That is when World War 3 will break out and 2.2 billion or 1/3 of the worlds population will die just from that war.

I use to believe for over 12 years that the trumpets were going to blown during the tribulation, but after opening my eyes and listening to what Irvin Baxter has said, I clearly see that they already have been sounded, with the first trumpet blown when World War 1 had started!
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Christians we aren't in Revelation.

For the last 2000 years Christians have been thinking they live in the end times. They have been wrong every time. Think what the must have thought during the black plague? We are living in some of the best times to live in although it may not feel like it.

The "end times" will come at the end of this age which is around 2150 when we move out of the age of Pisces (Jesus).
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From the soul's perspective it does not really matter, where are we in terms of the Grand Clock.
What matters is that we received one life, and that is more than enough to come to terms with the One God. To renounce one's ego, and act according to the soul. The soul is already a part of that One God, and it knows his Law by Heart. Peace and Harmony through Love.
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All you have to do is watch: End Time Ministries with Irvin Baxter. He is the one who came to the conclusion that the first 6 trumpets were already sounded. He gives great evidence for each trumpet blown. He goes onto say about the 7th trumpet that will be blown at any moment.. That is when World War 3 will break out and 2.2 billion or 1/3 of the worlds population will die just from that war.

I use to believe for over 12 years that the trumpets were going to blown during the tribulation, but after opening my eyes and listening to what Irvin Baxter has said, I clearly see that they already have been sounded, with the first trumpet blown when World War 1 had started!
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Interesting. The man in this teaching podcast [link to www.truthstreamoasis.com]

says, if i understand it correctly so far, that the seals is the knowledge of what's coming, the trumpets are the announcement of what's coming and the bowls are the actual judgments poured out.

I'm only half way through it tho.
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whoever wrote about self inner peace what so a person can boast. No the only way is through Christ like he said no one comes to the father but through me all others are thieves and will be thrown out to the lake of fire. All new agers and their thaughts about being Christ like and self that's pride and arrogance. It's about humility and coming to God.
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whoever wrote about self inner peace what so a person can boast. No the only way is through Christ like he said no one comes to the father but through me all others are thieves and will be thrown out to the lake of fire. All new agers and their thaughts about being Christ like and self that's pride and arrogance. It's about humility and coming to God.
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Interesting, this guy in the podcast says that the Beast is a system. Paul Begley also says this, he says that the Beast is actually Secular Humanism in the form of the NWO.
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I frimly believe that all the trumpets are released DURING the tribulation period. I'm open to suggestions but I don't see how anyone could argue that even of the seals have been opened yet. A "third of the trees havn't been burn't up yet" "A third part of the sea is not blood yet" and we havn't had any comet fragments ruin any part of earth yet. I don't think the judgements neccesarily come in order either because IMHO th 5th trumpet has alrady sounded and yes the 6th trumpet with the four horsemen killing 1/4 of mankind (most likely world war 3) is very near.

Hopefully we are raptured before the real chaos begins.
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You accept false teachings so you dont know the truth.Translations are wrong for a start but you like most REFUSE to question translations.All seals are open.
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I know the Greek in the original manuscripts available and I can state that the translations are acceptable for the Book of Revelation.

The book works sequencially. Seven seals, followed by seven trumpets, followed by seven bowls of God's wrath, which coincides with the fifth trumpet.

You can argue that the seals have not began the opening process. There is absolutely no doubt that the sixth seal has NOT been opened. The translation is correct. The text reads:

"I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?'"
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None of the trumpets have yet sounded.
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whoever wrote about self inner peace what so a person can boast. No the only way is through Christ like he said no one comes to the father but through me all others are thieves and will be thrown out to the lake of fire. All new agers and their thaughts about being Christ like and self that's pride and arrogance. It's about humility and coming to God.
 Quoting: Semper FI 6875630


yes friend, the only way is through the spirit of Christ, i already said that.

but what part in you knows how to recognize the spirit of Christ?

why did he say to become like children again?

children are not deceived neither by mind, nor instincts. Their Heart is pure.

You will never find Christ with your mind. And as long as you are lost in words, you are lost in your mind.

The mind judges, and the point was not to judge, but to know Him through one's own soul, which is His abode, and has to be kept pure and clean for Him to dwell there.

How can one manage to defile His Temple, by falling into the temptations of one's instincts and mind. By not choosing to follow the voice of the soul/heart.

This is not new age. I am not talking about meditation and other new age delusions. You are right insofar many which fall in the New Age religion, are deluded, and victims of pride and arrogance.

This are simple words that i speak. You do not need a vast amount of knowledge to understand them.

Truth is never in the Letter my friend, it is in the Spirit that was meant to be faithfully expressed through Letter.

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Christians we aren't in Revelation.

For the last 2000 years Christians have been thinking they live in the end times. They have been wrong every time. Think what the must have thought during the black plague? We are living in some of the best times to live in although it may not feel like it.

The "end times" will come at the end of this age which is around 2150 when we move out of the age of Pisces (Jesus).
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From the soul's perspective it does not really matter, where are we in terms of the Grand Clock.
What matters is that we received one life, and that is more than enough to come to terms with the One God. To renounce one's ego, and act according to the soul. The soul is already a part of that One God, and it knows his Law by Heart. Peace and Harmony through Love.
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Thats fine with me but preparing for the final war and will basically destroy the earth isn't fine with me. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

If Christians really do think we are in revelations time than they think the war between good and evil is almost here. This is VERY dangerous thinking.
Ayatollah Khomeini:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
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whoever wrote about self inner peace what so a person can boast. No the only way is through Christ like he said no one comes to the father but through me all others are thieves and will be thrown out to the lake of fire. All new agers and their thaughts about being Christ like and self that's pride and arrogance. It's about humility and coming to God.
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+10000
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You are quick to give points Lisa. :)
+10000 is some amount. you must be pretty wealthy to be in such a position :)
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whoever wrote about self inner peace what so a person can boast. No the only way is through Christ like he said no one comes to the father but through me all others are thieves and will be thrown out to the lake of fire. All new agers and their thaughts about being Christ like and self that's pride and arrogance. It's about humility and coming to God.
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+10000
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You are quick to give points Lisa. :)
+10000 is some amount. you must be pretty wealthy to be in such a position :)
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Oh yea, I'm wealthy beyond belief........lol

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Christians we aren't in Revelation.

For the last 2000 years Christians have been thinking they live in the end times. They have been wrong every time. Think what the must have thought during the black plague? We are living in some of the best times to live in although it may not feel like it.

The "end times" will come at the end of this age which is around 2150 when we move out of the age of Pisces (Jesus).
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From the soul's perspective it does not really matter, where are we in terms of the Grand Clock.
What matters is that we received one life, and that is more than enough to come to terms with the One God. To renounce one's ego, and act according to the soul. The soul is already a part of that One God, and it knows his Law by Heart. Peace and Harmony through Love.
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Thats fine with me but preparing for the final war and will basically destroy the earth isn't fine with me. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

If Christians really do think we are in revelations time than they think the war between good and evil is almost here. This is VERY dangerous thinking.
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Only dangerous for those who oppose God's will.

It's not us that will bring judgment to the earth, it is God. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Him but I guarantee you won't win.

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Thanks Lisa*Lisa for the +10000

All conspiracies on these sites give a piece of the puzzle.
but if you gather all the pieces of ALL conspiracies and put them together It is ONE BIG CONSPIRACY and everything relates to the Things of God. in scripture he says they gather the nations together for the final battle against God in Megiddo or Armagedon.

Nibiru, Pole Shift= 6th seal being opened

Deep Underground Military Bases= Chiefs and Rulers hiding themselves in Mountains

Reptilians= Serpents of Old

Shapeshifters= Fallen Angels that can appear

Giants,Aliens= Nephilim,Rehaim,Zamzumim

9/11 =Changing of the Laws

microchip= mark of the beast

New World Order= System of the Beast

The point is everthing that is mentioned on conspiracy sites pertain to everything that is in scripture of the Things of God no matter if one wants to deny it. It's all part of what God warned through of what was gonna take place. Fill in the gaps all conspiracies tie into everything in scripture.
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Thanks Lisa*Lisa for the +10000

All conspiracies on these sites give a piece of the puzzle.
but if you gather all the pieces of ALL conspiracies and put them together It is ONE BIG CONSPIRACY and everything relates to the Things of God. in scripture he says they gather the nations together for the final battle against God in Megiddo or Armagedon.

Nibiru, Pole Shift= 6th seal being opened

Deep Underground Military Bases= Chiefs and Rulers hiding themselves in Mountains

Reptilians= Serpents of Old

Shapeshifters= Fallen Angels that can appear

Giants,Aliens= Nephilim,Rehaim,Zamzumim

9/11 =Changing of the Laws

microchip= mark of the beast

New World Order= System of the Beast

The point is everthing that is mentioned on conspiracy sites pertain to everything that is in scripture of the Things of God no matter if one wants to deny it. It's all part of what God warned through of what was gonna take place. Fill in the gaps all conspiracies tie into everything in scripture.
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Yep, I agree! I'm not sure about the nibiru/pole shift tho, but it could happen.

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