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Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?

 
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GOD's wrath will come after the Rapture, that is when GOD will remove his Spiritual Protection from the earth...


As GOD removes his shield from earth, wether that maybe the Magnetic Field or some other type of atmospheric protection, it will allow Satan to wreak havoc on the planet....


This is the test of the Tribulation Saints, because thousands upon thousands of people who did not come to faith, or who's faith has been weakened by a godless society will finally realize that GOD is real and just and his mercy is only found in the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world...JESUS OUR CHRIST....


Right now the Spirit of Satan cannot torture GOD's saints because we are protected with the Spiritual Armour of Christ, and that is why the USA could never outlaw the Christian faith or burn down churches, we are protected super-naturally...


As I said yesterday, the Mark of the Beast might be some kind of Genetic Engineering that will implant a Lucifer demonic type of DNA into people that accept the *Mark* that is why Jesus will not be able to *Save* those individuals, because Jesus did not die to save Satan and the Fallen Angels, he died to save 100% human beings by his blood.

As in the Days of NOAH...


The Tribulation Saints will literally go through Hell...But GOD promises is that even though they die by the sword, the shall live and there deeds will follow them...

That is why it is so important people accept Jesus and make the *Rapture*

Some prophetic teachings say the *Door* to the Rapture has been shut, and many people who come to faith now will have to go through the GREAT AND FINAL TRIBULATION, if that is the case may we pray for them constantly, because I know I have family members and friends that will have to endure the Great Tribulation....
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Yes we must put on the Armor!
Belt of TRUTH
Breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS
Sandals of PEACE
Shield of FAITH
Helmet of SALVATION
Thank you Lord for promising me SALVATION both for today’s battles and for all eternity.
I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. -Jesus Christ
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Not Armageddon.......but the tribulation. They are not the same event.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Armaggedon will not happen until the anti christ has his 3 1/2 years then will come armagedon,and the Lamb.....................................sheep
 Quoting: Mi'Kmaq


I know this is the traditional interpretation, but what if it's not exactly right?

Could it be happening in a different way then we expected it?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



Well Paul outright stated that the 2nd coming/rapture can't happen until a great falling away and the man of sin appears.

I strongly believe that both the great falling away and antichrist will appear soon,and have to do with demons coming back and masquerading as aliens.

The new age doctrine will probably be the one world religion,teaching all men that all religions are true but misinterpreted.They will even probably have the physical images of religious teachers of old like Jesus,Moses,
Buddha,and Muhammad manifest in spiritual form to verify what the aliens say is true.

But of course like the aliens they will merely be shape shifting evil spirits.I think the anti christ will be the one the new agers call maitreya or the world teacher.They claim that all these other mentioned religious teachers are secondary to the maitreya who is supposed to be the most enlightened entitiy of the new age doctrine.
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I tend to agree with this point of view. I do think a "great falling away" has happened/is happening now. Many churches do not preach the "hard" stuff of judgment, etc. for fear of losing their congregation, there are "churches" specifically for gays, which God sees as an abomination, there are churches who do not teach about hell, and claim there is no literal hell, things like that.

I have been in churches who only want to tell everyone how much God loves them,and their sin is NOT a problem.....to me that is FALLING AWAY from the original message God sent that we are all sinners in need of His Son, Jesus Christ as our Savior.
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Can't see how. No reports of a giant mountain of fire falling into the see or a third of the earth getting burned to a crisp or dying of some world wide disease. A 200 million strong army has not marched from the east on Jerusalem. A third of the planet has not been stuck in the dark and there isn't a mark such that no one can buy or sell without it.

Bare in mind, I tend to read the Bible litterally. Sure, there are parables and analogies, but there just isn't anyway to explain away "a huge mountain all ablaze fell into the ocean". That kind of stuff is discriptive not analagous.
 Quoting: Resister


I remember when the oil rig exploded that many were looking at that and wondering. It has contaminated the oceans.

Who knows?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yes, and a friend of mine says, "Well, when there is an oil sheen on top of the water, it LOOKS LIKE BLOOD (red) from the sky.....
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GOD's wrath will come after the Rapture, that is when GOD will remove his Spiritual Protection from the earth...


As GOD removes his shield from earth, wether that maybe the Magnetic Field or some other type of atmospheric protection, it will allow Satan to wreak havoc on the planet....


This is the test of the Tribulation Saints, because thousands upon thousands of people who did not come to faith, or who's faith has been weakened by a godless society will finally realize that GOD is real and just and his mercy is only found in the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world...JESUS OUR CHRIST....


Right now the Spirit of Satan cannot torture GOD's saints because we are protected with the Spiritual Armour of Christ, and that is why the USA could never outlaw the Christian faith or burn down churches, we are protected super-naturally...


As I said yesterday, the Mark of the Beast might be some kind of Genetic Engineering that will implant a Lucifer demonic type of DNA into people that accept the *Mark* that is why Jesus will not be able to *Save* those individuals, because Jesus did not die to save Satan and the Fallen Angels, he died to save 100% human beings by his blood.

As in the Days of NOAH...


The Tribulation Saints will literally go through Hell...But GOD promises is that even though they die by the sword, the shall live and there deeds will follow them...

That is why it is so important people accept Jesus and make the *Rapture*

Some prophetic teachings say the *Door* to the Rapture has been shut, and many people who come to faith now will have to go through the GREAT AND FINAL TRIBULATION, if that is the case may we pray for them constantly, because I know I have family members and friends that will have to endure the Great Tribulation....
 Quoting: christian



Yes we must put on the Armor!
Belt of TRUTH
Breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS
Sandals of PEACE
Shield of FAITH
Helmet of SALVATION
Thank you Lord for promising me SALVATION both for today’s battles and for all eternity.
 Quoting: 'LIL ANGEL


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Has anyone viewing this thread seen any of the videos/interpretations by Bill Donahue (Hidden Meanings) about this subject matter on YouTube? I'm not going to post any of the videos in this thread as to not ruffle any feathers but I was wondering if anyone has seen them and your thoughts?

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Actually we are waiting on the 7th vial/bowl judgement









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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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That's not what I'm saying at all, though. I'm saying we're the hamster in the cage, and all we've got is little Billy and his tormenting brother.

Looking beyond the cage does us absolutely no good whatsoever. We can look all we want, but it doesn't change our limited paradigm.

Jesus/God and Satan. That's what we've got to work with here and now.
 Quoting: Lada D


Satan was a created being, an angel that turned bad, and he wants to destroy us because he knows he's going to be destroyed.


hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

I've been enjoying reading this thread so far hf

I'm curious on your view about what you said above....
What do you think turned satan evil? I was always taught that God was perfect and created only good things so where did the "bad" come from if God created everything including satan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11985613


and because he and others took a liking to the ladies and other sensual aspects of our reality... God is using Lucifer to separate the wheat from the weeds... free will creations need to choose God if they want eternity...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22070412


Well, here's an interesting perspective on the "sensual aspects of sin" and devils.....

A friend was listening to some teachings from - oh, I can't tell ya.....I just don't remember who she said was the man teaching it, but I can find out if you really want to know.

Anyway, he said that one time God "showed" him what demons do when they "lead" a person to sin, such as when a person likes alcohol and gets drunk in bars......he said the demon would wait until the person was good and drunk, and then INVADE THAT PERSON'S BODY SO THE DEMON COULD EXPERIENCE THE FEELINGS OF BEING DRUNK. I imagine it would be the same for any other sin - drugs, sex addiction, homosexuality, whatever.

Any kind of debauchery - THAT's what satan is all about, and what he wants to bind humans to.
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Anhedonic

To be honest their is nothing comical about it. You made a comment regarding spiritual awakening, their are 2. One a deception by demonic influences . Two by Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If a person was truly awakened spiritually they would know beyond a shadow of doubt that Jesus Christ is who he said he is. And would humble themselves before him. It has nothing to do with religion but truth. It's a relationship between a Father and Son. And one day when you see with your eyes and the veil is lifted you will ask him into your heart.
And you will experience who he is. And he will fill you with wisdom/and understanding.
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Anhedonic

To be honest their is nothing comical about it. You made a comment regarding spiritual awakening, their are 2. One a deception by demonic influences . Two by Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If a person was truly awakened spiritually they would know beyond a shadow of doubt that Jesus Christ is who he said he is. And would humble themselves before him. It has nothing to do with religion but truth. It's a relationship between a Father and Son. And one day when you see with your eyes and the veil is lifted you will ask him into your heart.
And you will experience who he is. And he will fill you with wisdom/and understanding.
 Quoting: Semper FI 6875630


It's very comical that you believe everyone who had a spiritual awakening absent 'Jesus' is under demonic influence. One day you will look back on this conversation and realize the error of your judgement. Today is not that day.

peace

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absent 'Jesus'
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For the record, no such state exists

cheers
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absent 'Jesus'
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For the record, no such state exists

cheers
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Or has ever existed. goodnews
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GOD's wrath will come after the Rapture, that is when GOD will remove his Spiritual Protection from the earth...


As GOD removes his shield from earth, wether that maybe the Magnetic Field or some other type of atmospheric protection, it will allow Satan to wreak havoc on the planet....


This is the test of the Tribulation Saints, because thousands upon thousands of people who did not come to faith, or who's faith has been weakened by a godless society will finally realize that GOD is real and just and his mercy is only found in the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world...JESUS OUR CHRIST....


Right now the Spirit of Satan cannot torture GOD's saints because we are protected with the Spiritual Armour of Christ, and that is why the USA could never outlaw the Christian faith or burn down churches, we are protected super-naturally...


As I said yesterday, the Mark of the Beast might be some kind of Genetic Engineering that will implant a Lucifer demonic type of DNA into people that accept the *Mark* that is why Jesus will not be able to *Save* those individuals, because Jesus did not die to save Satan and the Fallen Angels, he died to save 100% human beings by his blood.

As in the Days of NOAH...


The Tribulation Saints will literally go through Hell...But GOD promises is that even though they die by the sword, the shall live and there deeds will follow them...

That is why it is so important people accept Jesus and make the *Rapture*

Some prophetic teachings say the *Door* to the Rapture has been shut, and many people who come to faith now will have to go through the GREAT AND FINAL TRIBULATION, if that is the case may we pray for them constantly, because I know I have family members and friends that will have to endure the Great Tribulation....
 Quoting: christian



Yes we must put on the Armor!
Belt of TRUTH
Breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS
Sandals of PEACE
Shield of FAITH
Helmet of SALVATION
Thank you Lord for promising me SALVATION both for today’s battles and for all eternity.
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Anhedonic

You know their are two forces at work in this world. Perception as far as one can see is not all there is, you know this. Example Astral projection or remote viewing these tactics that people assume that they have spiritual knowledge. These tactics are only done by demonic forces. Spiritual awareness the first thing is to acknowledge that different entities exist. Where are they leading a person? What are they. If Spiritual entities exist then there has to be a spiritual realm. When a person enters into this spiritual realm one is vulnerable and easily deceived. When a person asks Jesus Christ into their hearts your allowing for his spirit to enter into you. At that moment when that happens is when you are born in spirit or born again. You become sensitive to the spiritual realm which allows you to experience and understand how these beings opperate in a persons life. Then you understand these two forces Good/Evil
you know which one is for you or against you. So one day you will look back on this conversation and realize the error of your judgement. When you see it happening call out to GOD brother.
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No Lisa, the trumpets have not blown nor the seals broken.
The TRIBULATION has not yet started.

Remain vigilant and remain strong in the Lord.
Keep His commandments and follow Him.
Heed His voice and His Word as it is written.

You will know when tribulation is about to start.
Pray and believe in Jesus Christ and ask that you NOT see this occur.

For the RAPTURE is near and HE is near who RAPTURES us.
While the Church remains, the Holy Spirit that is in us remains, who is the Restrainer and IS God.

While He remains the end cannot come.
Only God commands and will allow when the end and judgement on Sin will come.

For HE is the JUDGE and no other.

Look Up though for out redemption does draw close and even closer still.

At any moment.
In the Blink of an eye.

In Jesus Christ.
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And other sheep (House of Israel) I have, which are not of this fold (House of Judah): them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and One Shepherd.

Therefore doth my Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again. John 10:16-17

YESHUAH said His Father loved Him because He lay down His life for Two Folds that would Have One Shephered Him

Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one Head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel. Hosea 1:11

Paul instructs the Ephesians that they were formerly gentiles, But that In Messiah they are Citizens of Israel 2:11-12

He informs the Galatians that in Messiah they are the Seed of Abraham... Gal 3:29

Is 41:8 But thou, Israel, art My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My Friend.

When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory. Ps 102:16

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great ELOHIYM and our Saviour YESHUAH MASHIYACH. Titus 2:13

YHWH does build up Jerusalem: He gathers together the outcasts of Israel. Ps 147:2

And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Is 11:12


But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt 15:24


And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:33
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For the RAPTURE is near and HE is near who RAPTURES us.
While the Church remains, the Holy Spirit that is in us remains, who is the Restrainer and IS God.
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Christians are not going anywhere, and neither is the Holy Spirit.
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There would be a great war between Israel, that which is real, and the enemies of the truth.

The truth would be extinguished, people would look, but not find him. There is no knowledge of the truth, they conceal it from themselves.

The truth will make his triumphant return because ultimately there is only the truth.
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There would be a great war between Israel, that which is real, and the enemies of the truth.

The truth would be extinguished, people would look, but not find him. There is no knowledge of the truth, they conceal it from themselves.

The truth will make his triumphant return because ultimately there is only the truth.
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Actually we are waiting on the 7th vial/bowl judgement









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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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OK.......question for everyone. Who is the woman of revelation 12?

Or maybe I should say "what" is the woman of revelation 12?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



The spirit of Babylon has rested on various empires since the original Babylon.


It seems currently to have rested upon the USA......probably since the 1960s.



The banking empire hates the USA (the whore of Babylon)......and will destroy the USA.
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Sorry..........the above is referring to the woman in Rev 17



The woman from Rev 12 is Israel.
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"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

Israel doesn't seem to fit. But, if you believe it's Israel, who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The Child............Christ.


Christ was from the bloodline of David.....Israel is therefore the mother......in terms of bloodline descendant status.


Satan tried to destroy Christ as a child (verse 9). Remember the orders to kill all the children. Mary and David took their son to Egypt to escape this.



Later in verse 13 onward.......the man of evil tries to wipe out all of Israel (the woman) during the 5th Seal of Revelation. But God will preserve a remnant supernaturally in the wilderness.


God will defend His Holy Name and Promise made to Abraham for his act of faithfulness (Gen 22). He will not allow Satan to destroy all of Israel.


The Jews are the physical descendants of Abraham and the Christians are the spiritual descendants of Abraham.


God has unique plans for each group.
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The Jews are the physical descendants of Abraham and the Christians are the spiritual descendants of Abraham.
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Absolute BS
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What if there were 3 days of darkness on December 21? How sobering would that be for the world?
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I was wondering that same thing this morning.

I think the world would find three days of darkness EXTREMELY sobering.

I think that on the heels of such an event would come the Great Awakening and many would find God and repent and be born again.

How could that be a bad thing?
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The spirit of Babylon has rested on various empires since the original Babylon.


It seems currently to have rested upon the USA......probably since the 1960s.



The banking empire hates the USA (the whore of Babylon)......and will destroy the USA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27748702


Sorry..........the above is referring to the woman in Rev 17



The woman from Rev 12 is Israel.
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"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

Israel doesn't seem to fit. But, if you believe it's Israel, who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The Child............Christ.


Christ was from the bloodline of David.....Israel is therefore the mother......in terms of bloodline descendant status.


Satan tried to destroy Christ as a child (verse 9). Remember the orders to kill all the children. Mary and David took their son to Egypt to escape this.



Later in verse 13 onward.......the man of evil tries to wipe out all of Israel (the woman) during the 5th Seal of Revelation. But God will preserve a remnant supernaturally in the wilderness.


God will defend His Holy Name and Promise made to Abraham for his act of faithfulness (Gen 22). He will not allow Satan to destroy all of Israel.


The Jews are the physical descendants of Abraham and the Christians are the spiritual descendants of Abraham.


God has unique plans for each group.
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Interesting... her child is "caught up" to heaven - In the greek; "harpazo"...
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Actually we are waiting on the 7th vial/bowl judgement









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HELLO?!
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Thanks for reminding me of these videos Veresanctus. The below thread has links to the others on the seven seals/trumpets for anyone interested.

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Rev 12......a bit tricky with verses 4, 5, 6.


Verse 4 already took place......when Christ was very young......and the order went out to kill all the children in the land who were 2 years or younger. David and Mary fled with the Child to Egypt. Satan wanted to kill the child as soon as it was born......or shortly thereafter.

Verse 5: Christ was born......went to the cross...and later caught up to heaven after He rose from the dead.


Verse 6: Flips to the future......where the woman (Israel) will be protected by God in the wilderness during the 5th Seal of Rev.


More of this is again mentionned in verses 13-17.......the future persecution of Israel and her offspring (the gentile christians) during the 5th Seal.
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God has a last day servant and it is the 2nd witness of revelation the other witness is Elijah and the 2nd is always greater than the first (John and Jesus) Elijah and the last day servant..you can see the last day servant in revelation 14 reaping the harvest: Jesus is Revelation 19 being He has many crowns and is called the "Word of God" and KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS, but the guy in Revelation 14 only has one crown on and an angel has to tell him when to reap the harvest(would an angel ever have to tell Jesus when to do something,,NEVER, Jesus made that angel



Revelation 14:
The Harvest of the Earth

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Revelation 19:
Nobody is telling Jesus to do anything because he knows everything

11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God(Jesus is the Word). 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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And I will make all My mountains a way, and My highways shall be exalted.

Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of thorns.

Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith YHVH, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.


For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away.

And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I YHVH am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob
Is 49:11-12,18-19,26

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:9
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Tishri 1 Day of Trumpets, SHOUTING, Tishri 15 Feast of Sukkot

And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before YHWH your ELOHIYM seven days. Lev 23:40

For this we say unto you by the word of the ADONAY, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the ADONAY shall not precede them which are asleep 1Thess 4:15

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of YESHUAH, and for the word of ELOHIYM, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with MASHIYACH a thousand years

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection... Rev 20:5,6

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Semper FI : you speak of astral projection, but let me ask you.....do you really know what it is and have you experienced it? I'm not asking this to bash your beliefs. I'm just curious is all
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Armaggedon will not happen until the anti christ has his 3 1/2 years then will come armagedon,and the Lamb.....................................sheep
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I know this is the traditional interpretation, but what if it's not exactly right?

Could it be happening in a different way then we expected it?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



Well Paul outright stated that the 2nd coming/rapture can't happen until a great falling away and the man of sin appears.

I strongly believe that both the great falling away and antichrist will appear soon,and have to do with demons coming back and masquerading as aliens.

The new age doctrine will probably be the one world religion,teaching all men that all religions are true but misinterpreted.They will even probably have the physical images of religious teachers of old like Jesus,Moses,
Buddha,and Muhammad manifest in spiritual form to verify what the aliens say is true.

But of course like the aliens they will merely be shape shifting evil spirits.I think the anti christ will be the one the new agers call maitreya or the world teacher.They claim that all these other mentioned religious teachers are secondary to the maitreya who is supposed to be the most enlightened entitiy of the new age doctrine.
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I tend to agree with this point of view. I do think a "great falling away" has happened/is happening now. Many churches do not preach the "hard" stuff of judgment, etc. for fear of losing their congregation, there are "churches" specifically for gays, which God sees as an abomination, there are churches who do not teach about hell, and claim there is no literal hell, things like that.

I have been in churches who only want to tell everyone how much God loves them,and their sin is NOT a problem.....to me that is FALLING AWAY from the original message God sent that we are all sinners in need of His Son, Jesus Christ as our Savior.
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Yes, I too believe the falling away has been happening on a huge scale for sometime now.

I also know the man of sin is already on the scene. Some think he is the POTUS, but I dont know that for sure. But, I do know that whoever it is will be revealed soon.

A few months ago I was sitting on my porch asking the Lord how much longer and He said "Man of sin to be revealed" as in, that's up next on the agenda.

It could be "O", I don't know. He didn't tell me who it was, just that he would be revealed soon.

I really have a feeling that we're almost finished here, which frankly, scares the crap out of me because so many are not ready, they are asleep, and the majority of the world is in denial and hasn't accepted Jesus.

Sad.
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OK.......question for everyone. Who is the woman of revelation 12?

Or maybe I should say "what" is the woman of revelation 12?
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The spirit of Babylon has rested on various empires since the original Babylon.


It seems currently to have rested upon the USA......probably since the 1960s.



The banking empire hates the USA (the whore of Babylon)......and will destroy the USA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27748702


Sorry..........the above is referring to the woman in Rev 17



The woman from Rev 12 is Israel.
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"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

Israel doesn't seem to fit. But, if you believe it's Israel, who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


God has a last day servant and it is the 2nd witness of revelation the other witness is Elijah and the 2nd is always greater than the first (John and Jesus) Elijah and the last day servant..you can see the last day servant in revelation 14 reaping the harvest: Jesus is Revelation 19 being He has many crowns and is called the "Word of God" and KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS, but the guy in Revelation 14 only has one crown on and an angel has to tell him when to reap the harvest(would an angel ever have to tell Jesus when to do something,,NEVER, Jesus made that angel



Revelation 14:
The Harvest of the Earth

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Revelation 19:
Nobody is telling Jesus to do anything because he knows everything

11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God(Jesus is the Word). 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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 Quoting: waterman


The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there

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