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Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?

 
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Check out a series called AMAZING Facts by doug bachelor on youtube. This guy knows the bible and is focused on end times meanings. Of course he is a 7th day Adventist.
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rev3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
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Lisa-Lisa,

Listen to Truthstream Oasis here and you will be surprised. I was myself, and have been waiting for a follow-up show.

(TSO-65) Before Armageddon: A Prophetic Timeline

[link to truthstream.podomatic.com]
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Thanks, what do I do there? Download it? How long is it and what do they say?
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Yeah, just download the MP3. It's a discussion, but the host guy is the one to listen to. It's 2hr, but so intriguing that when it was over I wanted to hear another 2 hrs immediately. Or at least I'd like to hear more people expand on the prophetic theory.

I don't want to spoil the presentation, but he will set up his ideas early on. I have a feeling you or another will end up posting a thread on it. It needs serious wider consideration, because something bigger than we have expected may be going on and we may have to adjust our timelines.
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Lisa-Lisa,

Listen to Truthstream Oasis here and you will be surprised. I was myself, and have been waiting for a follow-up show.

(TSO-65) Before Armageddon: A Prophetic Timeline

[link to truthstream.podomatic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9258462


Thanks, what do I do there? Download it? How long is it and what do they say?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yeah, just download the MP3. It's a discussion, but the host guy is the one to listen to. It's 2hr, but so intriguing that when it was over I wanted to hear another 2 hrs immediately. Or at least I'd like to hear more people expand on the prophetic theory.

I don't want to spoil the presentation, but he will set up his ideas early on. I have a feeling you or another will end up posting a thread on it. It needs serious wider consideration, because something bigger than we have expected may be going on and we may have to adjust our timelines.
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Ok

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I recall reading that a false tribulation would precede the real one.

As another pointed out, trees and seas still fairly fine.
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Right, but my point is that maybe revelation isn't talking about literal trees and seas.

Like the stars in revelation are talking about spiritual beings. Obviously, not a literal star.

Look: Revelation 9:1-2 "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss."

Revelation also talks about the Lampstands and Fig tree, which are people, not literal trees and lampstands.

Also "sea" means something entirely different then the oceans, look [link to www.biblemeanings.info]
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Jesus also said He saw Lucifer cast out of heaven - AS A STAR CAST DOWN. I always took this verse to mean this was when Satan was cast out of heaven. The "star" (Lucifer) was given the key of the shaft of the Abyss (hell). See where I'm going with this?

It sounds like a spiritual event.

When Jesus went down into hell, HE TOOK THOSE KEYS BACK. It's already happened!

I am at lunch from work, so can't go into much else right now, but this thread is very interesting, and I will revisit it later this evening.
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Yea, I think alot of people would be rethinking their positions. Especially the atheists.
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no, we wont
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I bet you will!

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


nothing short of jesus, god (christian god) or the holy spirit themselves coming down from the sky and revealing themselves would make any of us believe in the christian myth.
 Quoting: Oyster


Wait for it...............
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Chernobyl is the Russian word for wormwood!
"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." (Rev. 8:10, 11).
Irvin Baxter is really knowledgeable on this subject and has made major prophecys that did come true here is link on the trumpets
[link to www.endtime.com]
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I recall reading that a false tribulation would precede the real one.

As another pointed out, trees and seas still fairly fine.
 Quoting: Lada D


Right, but my point is that maybe revelation isn't talking about literal trees and seas.

Like the stars in revelation are talking about spiritual beings. Obviously, not a literal star.

Look: Revelation 9:1-2 "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss."

Revelation also talks about the Lampstands and Fig tree, which are people, not literal trees and lampstands.

Also "sea" means something entirely different then the oceans, look [link to www.biblemeanings.info]
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Jesus also said He saw Lucifer cast out of heaven - AS A STAR CAST DOWN. I always took this verse to mean this was when Satan was cast out of heaven. The "star" (Lucifer) was given the key of the shaft of the Abyss (hell). See where I'm going with this?

It sounds like a spiritual event.

When Jesus went down into hell, HE TOOK THOSE KEYS BACK. It's already happened!

I am at lunch from work, so can't go into much else right now, but this thread is very interesting, and I will revisit it later this evening.
 Quoting: MB713 25676821


Looking forward to more of your input.

hf
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Lada D : Yes the Hemi-sync guy.....His last two books show how he actualy did get out of the hamster cage. Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey . I will warn you though......you must be willing to see past the hamster cage :)
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To take the metaphor a bit further...

One time little Billy's tormenting brother, Joey, taught us how to bite little Billy's finger.

We then bit little billy's finger one day, and Little Billy ran out of the room, crying. He told little Joey that he'd ruined his hamster and now the hamster was his.

Little Joey takes the whole operation to his room, away from Billy, and now whenever we hamsters get out of the cage, we're in *joey's* room instead of Billy's.


In human terms, when we get out of the cage, it's not a better place, though it's certainly different and appears to be vast and bigger than what we've imagined or have seen through the glass.
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what if satan repented, lol
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Not possible.
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Correct. The once grand now fallen Lucifer known as the devil has already been tried and found guilty and judged. He is under orders now and his time is short and insanity has caused him to believe he might still pull off a coup. NOT
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I bet you will!

hf
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nothing short of jesus, god (christian god) or the holy spirit themselves coming down from the sky and revealing themselves would make any of us believe in the christian myth.
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Well, that will happen. Then, what are you going to do?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


in the event that actually happens then there would be no denying.
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What makes you think so? When Jesus walked on the earth the first time, the Pharisees and Saduccees SAW HIM, talked to Him, and SAW DO MIRACLES and fulfill prophecies they had read about their whole lives, and they still didn't believe He was who He said He was!!!!
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Need to be careful because of the "activity of Satan"! Whom did Jesus point to saying that they do the will of their father, the devil? Lying signs and wonders so as to deceive are in the hands of those under the control of this carnal spirit, the devil, Satan, Lucifer! Developments in sciences and technologies have given them these powers! Think about it!

ALERT: Just announced on MSM networks that secular liberal humanist Israel has declared WAR on Hamas! Drone strikes on Hamas leaders, supply depots, and other targets ongoing! Hamas has responded by saying a full scale attack on Israel will be forthcoming! Fiscal Cliff may be secondary concern as the 3rd world war is coming! The situation is rapidly getting worse!
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I have yet to find anyone who can explain bible prophecy better than this guy...

[link to www.youtube.com]
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what if satan repented, lol
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Not possible.
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Correct. The once grand now fallen Lucifer known as the devil has already been tried and found guilty and judged. He is under orders now and his time is short and insanity has caused him to believe he might still pull off a coup. NOT
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24068631


Yea, it's absolutely mind boggling to even think that in his delusions, he thinks he actually stands a chance against the Almighty.

Just incredible.
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Chernobyl is the Russian word for wormwood!
"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." (Rev. 8:10, 11).
Irvin Baxter is really knowledgeable on this subject and has made major prophecys that did come true here is link on the trumpets
[link to www.endtime.com]
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Yes, this! I believe Chernobyl could have been the "Wormwood," too!
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
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Considering that Nero was the beast? Good bet the fictitious rantings of "Revelations" are long past their sell-by-date. Please move on and get a life now.

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There are seven seals and seven trumpets.

These are all chronological, and the first trumpet does not occur until after the seventh seal is broken. If you review the seven seals, it becomes clear that they have not all been broken in the physical realm.

Seals 1 thru 4:

Four horsemen ride. Antichrist comes onto the scene.

Seal 5:

The Christians are martyred in great number.

Seal 6:

"There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."

Seal 7:

"When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them."

So, IMO, we haven't reached the first trumpet.

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Revelation, more like hallucination lol
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What if there isn't a Rapture? I definitely believe in the Great Tribulation and the rise of the AC but not so sure about the Rapture. I sure hope there is but it isn't really specific in the Bible about it... unlike the details that are explained about what is going to happen when the AC arrives.
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the 7 years begin at the confirmation of the covenant God made
Daniel 9:27 (HCSB) He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


7 days is 7 years Gods time
This covenant is the peace treaty between Israel and Palestine that will bring peace to the nation once this is signed it is the beginning of the 7 years also the temple must be rebuilt for the antichrist he will halt sacrifices and proclaim to be God

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto." Luke 21:20-21.

Breaking News Rebuilding of the temple
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Found a different main page link here for you with a summary. hf

[link to www.truthstreamoasis.com]

This podcast is a veritable buffet for those who love to study and learn prophecy!
Topics Include:
- Armageddon and the Gog/Magog War
- The 2 Witnesses
- Satan and The Abyss
- The Millennium
- The Coming New World Order
- The Mark of the Beast
- 9/11 in prophecy
- Spiritual Conscience and corruption
- Satan’s tactics against believers
- Salvation and the cross
- Jesus is King!
- and more
Listen in to a conversation Amos had with Brother Justin. This is a compilation of so many prophetical topics that it’s hard to list all that is contained in the podcast. It moves very fast so be sure to have your Bible and a notepad ready!
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There are seven seals and seven trumpets.

These are all chronological, and the first trumpet does not occur until after the seventh seal is broken. If you review the seven seals, it becomes clear that they have not all been broken in the physical realm.

Seals 1 thru 4:

Four horsemen ride. Antichrist comes onto the scene.

Seal 5:

The Christians are martyred in great number.

Seal 6:

"There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."

Seal 7:

"When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them."

So, IMO, we haven't reached the first trumpet.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Do you remember when this happened?



Many tried to debunk it, saying it was all kinds of things, but I believed it was the pale horsemen in revelation.

Could be wrong tho, but that's what I thought when I first saw it, and I still think it very well might be.

I looked up the greek word for pale, and I remember that it actually meant greenish.
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please 'god' - make these idiots disappear THIS TIME

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please 'god' - make these idiots disappear THIS TIME


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Hey Dan, Jesus loves you.

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There are seven seals and seven trumpets.

These are all chronological, and the first trumpet does not occur until after the seventh seal is broken. If you review the seven seals, it becomes clear that they have not all been broken in the physical realm.

Seals 1 thru 4:

Four horsemen ride. Antichrist comes onto the scene.

Seal 5:

The Christians are martyred in great number.

Seal 6:

"There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."

Seal 7:

"When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them."

So, IMO, we haven't reached the first trumpet.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Do you remember when this happened?



Many tried to debunk it, saying it was all kinds of things, but I believed it was the pale horsemen in revelation.

Could be wrong tho, but that's what I thought when I first saw it, and I still think it very well might be.

I looked up the greek word for pale, and I remember that it actually meant greenish.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I guess I'm not going to "hang my hat" on a video. My eyes are wide open and I know that we are close to the opening act. When the seals start opening, the whole world is going to shudder. And clearly, the sixth seal is going to rock the whole world hard.

Everyone please take your seats.
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Great Podcast Lisa!


Love it!
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Great Podcast Lisa!


Love it!
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What podcast? LOL....I don't know what you're talking about.

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My two cents..Book of Revelation starts with Iraq war..
Tribulation with 9/11
We are now entering the third and final phase
Matthew 16>18
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My two cents..Book of Revelation starts with Iraq war..
Tribulation with 9/11
We are now entering the third and final phase
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Great tribulation in 2001? Or 9/11 of this year? If 2001, the seven year tribulation is already... 4 years past? Doesn't add up.
People, unfortunately it is going to get worse! Watch! Things are going to markedly get worse! It won't be something to speculate about. The thief analogy is for people who aren't looking or waiting for Jesus. They are just going to go on about their daily lives. But WE know it's at the door.
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Great Podcast Lisa!


Love it!
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What podcast? LOL....I don't know what you're talking about.

hf
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[link to truthstream.podomatic.com]

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