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Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?

 
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I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early....After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. Hosea 5:15,6:2

In order to return to His place, YHWH must have left His place!

When did YHWH leave His place?

Who, being in the form of ELOHIYM, thought it not robbery to be equal with EL:

But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Phil 2:6-7

(YHWH left His place when He took upon flesh and gave Himself a ransom for many.)

And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Phil 2:8

After Two Days > But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with YHWH as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Pet 3:8

YHWH YESHUA prophesied that He would return to His place for 2,000 years

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24:22

After a long time the Adonay of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. Matisyahu 25:19

Those who do not watch, will not know the hour!

Remember therefore how you hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore you shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and you shalt not know what hour I will come upon you. Rev 3:3
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The spirit of Babylon has rested on various empires since the original Babylon.


It seems currently to have rested upon the USA......probably since the 1960s.



The banking empire hates the USA (the whore of Babylon)......and will destroy the USA.
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Sorry..........the above is referring to the woman in Rev 17



The woman from Rev 12 is Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27748702


"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

Israel doesn't seem to fit. But, if you believe it's Israel, who is the child she gives birth to?
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baby Israel? chuckle
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I don't think so :)

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Rev.12 is in my opinion the Blessed Mother blush :)
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

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Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


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Lada D : you"re close...but you see the hamster cage in the house from from another house still on earth....This might sound like psychobabble but think of "kingdoms of consciousness", this is but one reality of many, many others out there.....This is one thing Monroe hinted at in his last two books.
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Sorry..........the above is referring to the woman in Rev 17



The woman from Rev 12 is Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27748702


"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

Israel doesn't seem to fit. But, if you believe it's Israel, who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


baby Israel? chuckle
 Quoting: wildhoney


I don't think so :)

flower
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1rof1..funny world..lol

hf

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Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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OK folks this is a serious question... I'm not here to bash anyones faith or beliefs. but what if??.... bible talks about principalities and various levels of hierarchy. Now what if Jehova/Jesus and Lucifer/Satan not the highest on that hierarchy. What if their are others higher than that?....Where would that leave us as humans stuck in the middle of this fight?? I await serious replies to this.
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I think God would have told us if there were more than this. He's told us everything else we needed to make it here on earth. I seriously doubt He would leave out something as important as that, if it were true.....

For example. Are there aliens on other planets? The Bible doesn't mention them. So should I think there are none? Using the Bible as my source, the answer would be YES! But if it turns out there ARE aliens on other planets, and God did not tell me about them (in His Word), does that mean He lied to me? No, it just means that those aliens are NOT part of what I needed to know.

Just what exactly did I "need to know" while here on Earth? How to Know God, Hear His Voice, Follow Him, Recieve Salvation, and Prepare for His Triumpant Return to take us to heaven with Him!

mho....and I welcome yours!
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OK folks this is a serious question... I'm not here to bash anyones faith or beliefs. but what if??.... bible talks about principalities and various levels of hierarchy. Now what if Jehova/Jesus and Lucifer/Satan not the highest on that hierarchy. What if their are others higher than that?....Where would that leave us as humans stuck in the middle of this fight?? I await serious replies to this.
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I think God would have told us if there were more than this. He's told us everything else we needed to make it here on earth. I seriously doubt He would leave out something as important as that, if it were true.....

For example. Are there aliens on other planets? The Bible doesn't mention them. So should I think there are none? Using the Bible as my source, the answer would be YES! But if it turns out there ARE aliens on other planets, and God did not tell me about them (in His Word), does that mean He lied to me? No, it just means that those aliens are NOT part of what I needed to know.

Just what exactly did I "need to know" while here on Earth? How to Know God, Hear His Voice, Follow Him, Recieve Salvation, and Prepare for His Triumpant Return to take us to heaven with Him!

mho....and I welcome yours!
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Aliens are demons and demon hybrids.
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Who is this guy in the podcast anyway? Does he have a website? I have a better time understanding reading material then listening material.
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Hs name is Amos Ridley. I don't think he has written material.

If you're having to rewind sections a few times, you're not alone! It's good meat to chew on and digest properly :)
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Who is this guy in the podcast anyway? Does he have a website? I have a better time understanding reading material then listening material.
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Hs name is Amos Ridley. I don't think he has written material.

If you're having to rewind sections a few times, you're not alone! It's good meat to chew on and digest properly :)
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Ahh, he says the woman of revelation 12 is the church. It makes sense.
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I wonder why christians think that christianity would outrule all other religions. There are 7 billions people on earth, but only 2.2 billion christians. That means the probability that christianity is wrong is ~ 69 %.

I also wonder why american christians think that America is a kind of centre of christianity. That whole Jesus thing happened far far away from you, it's an oldworld thing and has nothing to do with the continent America.
You even don't have the pope as major ruler of your religion, it's more like that american christianity is a kind of paralell world in relation to the oldworld christianity of Rome. I can't remember any important visitations of the pope in America.

You think you are the centre but in fact you are completely out of touch with chritianity. Your christianity is just a fabrication on a new continent which was populated with american indians 2000 years ago.
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Seems to me that we are at the beginning of the final 3 to 3 and a half years. Gonna get dicey.
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
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My honest opinion, The first of the seven seals will be broken early in the 70th week of Daniel, soon after the church has disappeared.
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
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Yes. The human race has trouble picking a television show to watch let alone deciphering the exact stage of evolution they are in. Good thing people like me have come back to show them the light.
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OK.......question for everyone. Who is the woman of revelation 12?

Or maybe I should say "what" is the woman of revelation 12?
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The Woman is Israel, the twelve stars represent the twelve tribes

There are Twelve gates into the New Jerusalem, each gate is named for a tribe of Israel

The Woman is delivered during the Great Tribulation

Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.

And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of trouble for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. Hosea 2:14-15


And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of ELOHIYM, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev 12:6

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent

Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself. Ex 19:4

And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face. Ez 20:35

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. Luke 21:36

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1 Cor 10:1
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I wonder why christians think that christianity would outrule all other religions. There are 7 billions people on earth, but only 2.2 billion christians. That means the probability that christianity is wrong is ~ 69 %.

I also wonder why american christians think that America is a kind of centre of christianity. That whole Jesus thing happened far far away from you, it's an oldworld thing and has nothing to do with the continent America.
You even don't have the pope as major ruler of your religion, it's more like that american christianity is a kind of paralell world in relation to the oldworld christianity of Rome. I can't remember any important visitations of the pope in America.

You think you are the centre but in fact you are completely out of touch with chritianity. Your christianity is just a fabrication on a new continent which was populated with american indians 2000 years ago.
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Well, Christianity will outrule other religions simply because God doesn't answer to your statistical probabilities.

The road to heaven is narrow and the road to death is wide unfortunately.

The Church, those who have accepted Christ's death on the cross,are all over the world, not just America. America used to be a Christian nation, it no longer is.

Why are you so concerned about it all if you don't believe?
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First trumpet

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Second trumpet

Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Third trumpet

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Fourth trumpet

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Fifth trumpet

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

Sixth trumpet

Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Seventh trumpet

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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MB713 : He did tell us...when He said "thou shalt have no other gods before me. Very few people catch that...."He" admits right there in the Old Testament that there are more out there.....Otherwise He would have said "you shall not worship anyone or anything but "Me" only......"He" would have not left any loopholes in that because "He" knows how smart a group of humans are.....Think "tower of babble".....
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Did anyone give any attention to this message?
Did you even heard of this?
I wonder. Please go through these messages.


You are now in the middle of the Tribulation – Latter half end of 2012


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because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9
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A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
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This is a walk in the park compared to God's 7 years
of relentless judgement(Which no one left behind will
escape)To me these are warnings.....Pray you are all
worthy to stand before the Son of man and escape the
things that will soon hit the earth. Rich, poor it will
matter not when he pours out His wrath. Come to Christ
today while there is so little time to get in the ark
(Jesus Christ)

Remember These 7 years are God himself judging the
earth...You do not want to be judged by the Living
God in his wrath.It will happen all over the earth.
not just isolated coastlines etc.
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I reckon the trumpets are happening in the spiritual realm, here's why;

First of all, christ said he shall come as a thief, without warning.

Also the bible states that just as in the days of Noah's flood, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, eating, drinking. Just going about their daily lives...then, WALLOP!

As lightning flashes from the east across to the west, so shall the coming of the son of the man be.
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yup. Only there seems to be a lot less marrying these days...

:)

nice thread Lisa... it is fun to consider, especially now that we seem to be in the thick of things with the inexorable matrix of control insinuating itself...

I like Ken Peters's testimony... he saw a lot of the things we have only recently had to live with: hot dog-shaped cameras everywhere, blue bereted UN troops and black hummers with small laptops and knowing where everyone is... and also how creepy and nice the system can be at the same time... like I went to Best Buy the other day and the dude told me I needed ID to return something, even though I had a receipt... I told him this seemed very 'big brother' and he didn't even acknowledge what I said... I suppose the tv is prepping people to just accept all this crap and to make anyone who questions it to be a loony... I don't own a tv but the last time I watched one I was at the vet and I was shocked by how some of the shows were parodying Ron Paul's message and other alternative takes and making them out to be a lunatic fringe...

Ken Peters says the new $100 bill has to be out and then people rise from the grave... this puts people into shock... and starts the massive division between people... then huge global earthquake and NWO police state take over... then the mark of the beast, then slaughter of Christians... he is one who gets killed so his testimony ends there...

but this reality is subject to major shifts of outcome based on our collective free will, IMO... but we seem to be winding closer and closer towards the end...

:)

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Well, Christianity will outrule other religions simply because God doesn't answer to your statistical probabilities.
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Why should a fairly god ignore 4.7 billion people and give only 2.2 billion people the benefit? It goes even further: There are probably trillions of trillions intelligent lifeforms in the universe, and they have billions of religions with billions of books like the bible. So the probability that christianity is right is in fact only 0.000000000000000000000000000001 %

Why are you so concerned about it all if you don't believe?
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I find it just amusing. Imagine there is a shaman in the djungle who say that the religion of his small tribe is the only true religion on earth. Would you not laugh about him and his density?
In the same way I see christians on earth ... just savages in the djungle of the stars.
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yup. Only there seems to be a lot less marrying these days...
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Eerie chill...what about when they pass gay marriage all over the place?

All of the sudden, lots of marrying.
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
I recall reading that a false tribulation would precede the real one.

As another pointed out, trees and seas still fairly fine.
 Quoting: Lada D


Right, but my point is that maybe revelation isn't talking about literal trees and seas.

Like the stars in revelation are talking about spiritual beings. Obviously, not a literal star.

Look: Revelation 9:1-2 "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss."

Revelation also talks about the Lampstands and Fig tree, which are people, not literal trees and lampstands.

Also "sea" means something entirely different then the oceans, look [link to www.biblemeanings.info]
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What if the stars falling from the sky are bombs? If that was the case then with all that is going on right now and with the war on the way I say that we are seeing Revilation first hand. Where as you can not take to many symbols in the Bible literally you must think that the man who saw these visions lived thousands of years ago. If it is happening in our time and he seen this then he will describe them as best as he knows how since none of our technology exisited to him back then. Personally I am ready to be the Lords bride. I want off this planet already. abduct
 Quoting: Ready and waiting 2044317


I'm at work, so I cannot look in a Bible for the reference, but Jesus Himself said He saw satan fall from the sky, and the third of the angels with him. I believe it might have looked like "falling stars" when that happened. So, THAT has already happened (in my interpretation of the chronology of things). Your quote above says the "star" was given the keys to the Abyss that has smoke like a furnace billowing from it....that's HELL!

There are other places (especially in symbolism given in Revelation) where I wonder what John saw and what he is trying to explain to us.....I wonder if the "flying Lion with fire coming out its mouth, like a dragon" isn't some kind of modern fighter jet weaponry, for instance.
I could be wrong, tho!
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
The 6th trump gets ushered in when Satan comes on the stage and not one minute before. The 7th trump is heralded in when Jesus returns.
We are close to the 6th but still in the 5th.
 Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228


Here's my issue with your statement: Satan has ALWAYS been "on the stage." He was there with Jesus, tempting Him in the wilderness for 40 days.

So how is it different in the "end times," and how does he "up his game" in order to usher in the tribulation?
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
Well, Christianity will outrule other religions simply because God doesn't answer to your statistical probabilities.
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Why should a fairly god ignore 4.7 billion people and give only 2.2 billion people the benefit? It goes even further: There are probably trillions of trillions intelligent lifeforms in the universe, and they have billions of religions with billions of books like the bible. So the probability that christianity is right is in fact only 0.000000000000000000000000000001 %

Why are you so concerned about it all if you don't believe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15676325


I find it just amusing. Imagine there is a shaman in the djungle who say that the religion of his small tribe is the only true religion on earth. Would you not laugh about him and his density?
In the same way I see christians on earth ... just savages in the djungle of the stars.
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4.7 billion + 2.2 billion = God's people (if He exists)

For that 4.7 billion, this is the event going to happen soon.

THE ILLUMINATION OF CONSCIENCE will take place soon to save the world.

THE WARNING * THE WARNING * THE WARNING


New prophecies received by European Visionary reveal global events in the lead up to the Second Coming.

WHY IS THE WARNING TAKING PLACE?

* To prove to all that God exists.
* To bring everyone back to Jesus and the way of the truth.
* To dilute the impact of sin and evil in the world through conversion.
* To help save us before the final day of judgement by giving us a chance to ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed.
* To convert non-believers who would have no chance of redemption without this great act of mercy.
* To strengthen the faith of believers.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE WARNING
* Every one over the age of 7 will experience a private mystical encounter with Jesus Christ which will last anything up to 15 minutes
* It is a gift from God the Father to convert people back to the truth. It is how the Final Day of Judgement will unfold only this time you will not be condemned. Instead you will be given a chance to ask for forgiveness.
* Two comets will collide in the sky.
* People will believe it to be catastrophic worse than an earthquake But it is not – it is a sign that Jesus has come.
* The sky will turn red it will look like a fire & then you will see a large cross in the sky to prepare you first.
* Atheists will say it was a global illusion. Scientists will look for a logical explanation but there won’t be one.
* It will be spectacular and will not hurt us because it comes as an act of Love and Mercy from Jesus.
* Our sins will be shown to us and this will make us feel tremendous sorrow and shame when they are revealed to us. Others will be so sickened and shocked by the way in which their sins will be revealed that they will drop dead before they have a chance to ask for forgiveness.
* Everyone will see the state of their soul before God – the good they have done in their lives, the grief they have inflicted on others and all that which they failed to do.
* Many people will fall down and cry tears of relief. Tears of joy and happiness. Tears of wonder and love.
* For, at last, it will be possible to live a new life thereafter when we know the full truth.
* Jesus is now asking everyone to pray for those souls who will die of shock who may be in mortal sin. Everyone needs to prepare now. Jesus asks that all ask for the forgiveness of their sins in advance of The Warning.

Link ::: [link to www.thewarningsecondcoming.com]
because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I'm sorry Sister, but we are just now entering into the birth pains. The 4 horsemen are running as I type this. Expect things too heat up, but also expect to be here for awhile too further the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. He is coming for the dead first, and the those who remain will be caught up.....7th trumpet. We aren't destined for His wrath, once again that starts at the 7th trumpet. He is coming at a time we think He is NOT coming, which for the church here in the USA think He is coming sooner than later, we all need to pray for the remnant. God bless you Sister.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27745463


From what you wrote, I also have another perspective!

Certainly persecution of christians is part of the "end times" prophesies. But there are dear christian brothers and sisters all over the world who have been being persecuted for their faith since the time of Christ Himself! Witness the original apostles, all of whom (except Judas Iscariot, of course) were persecuted and died horrible deaths for their belief. IOW, I'm sure there are many dear saints in some countries who have believed for many years that the "persecution of the church" has already come, and Christ's return is imminent.

I just think it's too difficult for us to "see" things the way God is looking at them, since He totally sees things from a Spiritual perspective at all times, not at all concerned with the physical aspects of our lives as we are.
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
And he shall (Strengthen - gawbar) the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease... Dan 9:27

Gawbar –Strengthen – In order to strengthen the covenant with (many – rab, adjective), it must already exist with many… It is not he makes the covenant as has been taught.

Roadmap to Peace is with the USA, European Union, Russia, U.N. (The Quartet)

From Obama’s speech at the Turkish Parliament, April 6, 2009

The United States strongly supports the goal of two states,Israel and Palestine, living side by side in Peace and Security (Joel 3:2, 1 Thess 5:3)

That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the Road map and at Annapolis

From Obama’s speech at Cairo University, June 4, 2009 – Titled: Obama speaks to the Muslim world > In the audience were 10 Members of the Muslim Brotherhood that received official invites

The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.

The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the Road Map are clear

These quotes are just a small portion of the words Obama spoke against the land of Israel and the Elohiym of Abraham Isaac and Yacob in his speeches to the king of the north and the king of the south.

On Tishri 21 2009,(10/9/2009) the Seventh day of the Feast of Tabernacles BHO was given the Nobel Peace Prize for Strengthening the covenant with many, The Roadmap to Peace .

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a Prize was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Rev 6:2

Stephanos/Greek – Prize given in public ceremony

Tishri 21, 2009 + 1260 days = Abib 11, 3/22/2013

Abib 11, 2013 is The Sixth day of the week And the second day of Spring.( Obama signed the healthcare bill on 3/23/2010, the original language said the registry for tracking RFID devices and medical implants was to be operational 3 years from that date. > Mark of Beast

But Pray that your flight be not in winter neither on the sabbath day – Matt 24:20

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:11

Abib 11, 2013 + 1290 days = YOM TERUAH – Tishri 1 – The Feast of Trumpets

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan 12:12

Tishri 1 + 45 days = Bul 15

And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it 1 Kings 6:38

Rev 3:3 , those who do not watch, will not know the hour,
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To you with the German avatar who sounds so bitter, Jesus came to show the way for EVERYONE all unto the ends of the earth. This includes you and he loves you more than you could fathom.
He is coming back soon as he promised whether you believe in Him oe not. All the pieces are lining up but the most important sign is that Israel is in place and the enemy hates its.
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
A good christian friend of mine told me the other day that we are at the 6th trump already, waiting for the 7th to blow.

She said that many of the things that we were waiting for have already happened in the spiritual realm, while we were waiting for them to appear in the physical realm.

I suppose this could be true, I don't know either way.

What's your thoughts on this?
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



My thoughts, and obviously can't prove it, is that the 7 seals and 7 trumpets happen in that order and are physical events, which means that none of it has happened yet
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Re: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?
I recall reading that a false tribulation would precede the real one.

As another pointed out, trees and seas still fairly fine.
 Quoting: Lada D


Right, but my point is that maybe revelation isn't talking about literal trees and seas.

Like the stars in revelation are talking about spiritual beings. Obviously, not a literal star.

Look: Revelation 9:1-2 "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss."

Revelation also talks about the Lampstands and Fig tree, which are people, not literal trees and lampstands.

Also "sea" means something entirely different then the oceans, look [link to www.biblemeanings.info]
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Jesus also said He saw Lucifer cast out of heaven - AS A STAR CAST DOWN. I always took this verse to mean this was when Satan was cast out of heaven. The "star" (Lucifer) was given the key of the shaft of the Abyss (hell). See where I'm going with this?

It sounds like a spiritual event.

When Jesus went down into hell, HE TOOK THOSE KEYS BACK. It's already happened!

I am at lunch from work, so can't go into much else right now, but this thread is very interesting, and I will revisit it later this evening.
 Quoting: MB713 25676821


Looking forward to more of your input.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Thanks, an easy day at work, so I found some time to join back in!

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