Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought?

Read my statement above, I'm not a "non believer", my belief is just not limited to earth or a specific book. The reason why I "come on threads about God" is to show you what a narrow pettiness a typical earth-centric belief is.

I wait for 21.12.2012

or Rev12 in March 2013..

It's true. But that just gives credence to the side of Christianity. We were told that we would be mocked and hated just as they treated our Messiah.
Everything is spiritual. There are forces at work that can't bee seen with our eyes.

Can't see how. No reports of a giant mountain of fire falling into the see or a third of the earth getting burned to a crisp or dying of some world wide disease. A 200 million strong army has not marched from the east on Jerusalem. A third of the planet has not been stuck in the dark and there isn't a mark such that no one can buy or sell without it.

Bare in mind, I tend to read the Bible litterally. Sure, there are parables and analogies, but there just isn't anyway to explain away "a huge mountain all ablaze fell into the ocean". That kind of stuff is discriptive not analagous.

The reason anti-christians are more obsessed is because of their soul and spirit they are choosing not to believe, but their soul and spirit know what will happen if they don't humble themselves and call out with humility to God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, and repent an accepting this gift of salvation it has nothing to do with religion but personal relationship between Son and Father. Spiritual understanding and wisdom.
I have a question. Would you consider the relationship with your mother/father/brother/sister a religion? I think not but automatically when The term God pops up people assume religion. It is beyond comprehension once it is amazing experience getting to know who God is personally.

Thank you for all of the serious replies.....I"m not trying to convert anyone to any beliefs.....but I do enjoy serious and considerate discussions of each ones beliefs....

i hope so, fuck this planet and every corrupt thing in it.

No, I haven't, and I never want to. But the Lord spoke to be about them specifically.

it seems;

we globally experience the same thing..

the message of Christ is an universal one. It is not the monopoly of any religion.
The 144k sealed souls are born in all religions and all walks of life.
all of them bear the cross of Christ in spirit, that is they walk the path of universal love and soul purity.
at an individual level these are mainly spiritual experiences.

the experience of facing Judgement by the Christ leads to soul awakening.
the experience of facing the choice between bodily death and soul's purity, is the last temptation. Renouncing bodily life leads to rebirth, and the soul takes hold upon the body.

at a collective level, the events depicted in Revelations happen first in the Spiritual realms.
The return of Christ takes place on the astral plane. There the battle between the two armies takes place, and light overcomes the darkness, and balance is restored.

what happens at earthly level is just a reflection of the process unfolding in the Spiritual realms.

I'm glad you're enjoying it. I had to bail out and take a nap.....lol.

Satan was created perfect, as were Adam and Eve. But, satan became so full of himself, thinking that he was equal to God. He decided that He should be worshiped and sit on the throne. That's how he became the devil, and was cast out of heaven, and a large number of angels listened to him and followed him.

Lisa*Lisa : Then in all sincerity please tell me what the Lord related to you. I really do want to know...I won't condemn or ridicule what you say.

Well Paul outright stated that the 2nd coming/rapture can't happen until a great falling away and the man of sin appears.

I strongly believe that both the great falling away and antichrist will appear soon,and have to do with demons coming back and masquerading as aliens.

The new age doctrine will probably be the one world religion,teaching all men that all religions are true but misinterpreted.They will even probably have the physical images of religious teachers of old like Jesus,Moses,
Buddha,and Muhammad manifest in spiritual form to verify what the aliens say is true.

But of course like the aliens they will merely be shape shifting evil spirits.I think the anti christ will be the one the new agers call maitreya or the world teacher.They claim that all these other mentioned religious teachers are secondary to the maitreya who is supposed to be the most enlightened entitiy of the new age doctrine.

I remember when the oil rig exploded that many were looking at that and wondering. It has contaminated the oceans.

Who knows?

I read a testimony of a man who was an atheist who wanted to prove himself that God did not exist went to remote location and had camping equipment along with a bible to read the bible and call out God if you are real I want to experience and know you the second Jesus christ appeared to him. Now he is a pastor and is telling people to come to God he really does exist.

and because he and others took a liking to the ladies and other sensual aspects of our reality... God is using Lucifer to separate the wheat from the weeds... free will creations need to choose God if they want eternity...

Typical behaviour of sect members to see themself as hunted from the world. True religious people with feeling for spirit don't do that.

Have you read the 5 trumps before those?
IF you had you'd know why this friend is so full of bs.



Oh and cultist wolves always run with the "it happened in the spiritual realm" when they con is up, most recent is false prophet Harold Camping, other famous false prohets are Joseph Smith of Moronism, false prophet Charles Taze Russel & false prophet Rutherford of Watchtower & Tract society fame.

Another one is false prophetess Ellen White of Seventh Day Adventism.

Also proves people are not saved when they keep following these after they have been exposed as the false prophets they are.

So lets look at the trumpETS.

Also you have missed the 7 seals which obviously comes before these trumpETS.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

yeah we definitely seen this one
and what's the second trumpet sounding?

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Revelation 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

yeah we saw a great mountain fall into the sea which made a third of the sea into blood and killed of three parts of the marine life and destroyed a third of all ships... sure.

Third trumpet:
Revelation 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

as you can see a star falls on earth next and takes out fresh water on the planet, and people drinking the wormwood water dies.

Yeah sure I can recall seeing that...

Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Yeah a third of the sun is smitten with something, yeah we see a third of the sun not shining right now :D
Also there's an angel flying around shouting WOE WOE WOE to the inhabiters of the earth. Well in your translation it most likely says EAGLE because last I checked you're a follower of the pope, besides the pope as the false teacher he is is amillenial, that is he allegorizes all of the book of Revelation. Despite the language being very literal.

And at the fifth trumpet sound we get a third thing (a second star) touchdown on Earth:
Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Revelation 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Revelation 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Revelation 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

yeah we see this pit opened up that is pouring out so much smoke things are dark, and the locust yeah we see it all over the place don't we? But it's a very strange type of locus instead of eating the green things they attack people.

And we really see death flee from people nowadays don't we?


Re 9:13 ¶ And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Re 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Re 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Re 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Re 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Re 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Re 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Re 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Re 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

and yeah we've seen this 200 million man army and they've killed one third of the planet, right?


you see how ignorant your "friend" is yet?






DO these "friends" of yours actually even read the Bible or do they just pull stuff out of the you know.
To me it sounds like the latter.
Maybe if he/she prayed for wisdom he/she wouldn't look like a complete moran, suggest that next time and suggest the person repents while the person is talking to God.

can you talk about how you came to your conclusions please--I am interested...

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Several years ago I was reading about the aliens, and reading all sorts of things. Some of them appeared to be good, like they were going to help us, and some appeared to be bad. I honestly didn't know what to believe about it, so I prayed and asked The Lord to tell me the truth.

He did, He said 4 words to me, "Good cop, bad cop" and I instantly knew what He meant.

Some will appear to be good, and some will appear to be bad, but they both have the same agenda.

I never forgot it. A few months later I was talking with a christian friend of mine and the subject of aliens came up. I shared with her what the Lord told me, and she said that the Lord also spoke those same exact 4 words to her when she prayed about it asking for an answer.

Both of us were stunned, but we knew it was the truth that He had spoken.

The oil rig fell from the sky you say?

Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence — neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son.

Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds.

It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations,(1934-1935) when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation of the archrebels.

Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.

If we were in the 7 year tribulation we would see the anti-christ make a covenant with many for 7 years(the last 7 years of the earth), in other words the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. The antichrist and the false prophet do the deal with rebuilding the 3rd temple to allow Jews to worship in it. As a result the Jews will think this is the promised Messiah. At the same time the "two witnesses" of revelation will begin building "the spiritual temple" of God that cannot be destroyed, as the antichrist and false prophet are building the physical temple that will be defiled by the antichrist 42 months after it is the decree to build it. Also there is 42 months before the 7 year tribulation that people don't recognize and it is the destruction of America and the tearing down of idols that the children of God become a holy people again and turn back to God

It's all metaphor for Christ's sake.

Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order
behind the visible.
Eerie and startling adventures await you.

Does no one listen to Jesus when He says "there will be MANY antichrists?

For a start - look within your churches. Jesus cast demons out of MEN. God is to teach you. "You only have ONE teacher".

Every believer had better understand that "the mountains will be brought low"....these are the churches.

How do you know that a peace treaty hasn't been signed? Truth is, we only know what "they" allow us to know, which isn't much.

How can the 2 witnesses build "the spiritual temple", when We Are the spiritual temple of God? Says so in the bible.

The dome of the rock might very well be the abomination of desolation........see what I mean?

These things might be a little different then we thought.

I'm open minded enough to know that the traditional interpretation of these things might not be right.

I do not know one way or another.

we are not even close yet...imo

One oil rig? No. More oil seeps up from the ocean floor than is leaked out world-wide and there are a several oil rigs and tankers that have popped over the years. Now, that Corexit is nasty stuff, but again. It's a big world and the ocean breaks down just about everything.

One thing the BP oil leak and corexit did contribute to was the shutting down of the gulf stream in 2010. That is much more serious. That and this bizarre sun cycle are what is driving our freaky weather.

Well, I might even be open to believing that if the Lord had not spoken to me and told me different.

I prayed and fasted for 3 days asking about the rapture and when it would happen.

On the 3rd day He said to me exactly these words "At the last trump, the dead in christ will rise, and then you will be taken"

So, He told me that I would be taken, that means it's going to happen in my lifetime. I"m middle aged and not in good health.