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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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would be a teriffyingly stupid idea, but that's just my thinking.
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We all know that Hamas will break the ceasefire at some point, probably soon. At least Israel agreeing to it shows they are entertaining the opportunity for peace.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


There won't be a ceasefire, Israel refuses to end the occupation of Gaza.

Israel doesn't want peace, that much is obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28206753




What rock do you live under? Hamas will not admit that Israel has a right to exist, and that their ceasefire will be permanent. Israel wants peace---peace is all they are asking for. Hamas refuses. Only the blind and deaf jew haters cannot understand that.
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Occupation and Palestine is all they want.

FACT!
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They tried that. Got rockets in return.

Next.
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No they didn't. They lifted PARTS of it. Hamas wants a complete exit or they will continue.

Israel has NEVER tried it because they don't want peace.

Nice try.
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Ever read the Hamas charter?
 Quoting: Monk Meat


Changing the subject when you are losing a debate is admission of defeat.

I win. You lose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28215878


So, me asking if you ever read the Hamas charter, which clearly states that they want to destroy the state of Israel, is changing the subject about who does and who doesn't want peace?
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With the alignment of nations that fit with what God's Word said in ISAIAH 17, PSALM 83 and ZACHARIAH 12, if you people really think that this is going to go back to "how it was" you people are indeed blind.

This is NOT business as usual.
This is the beginning of the End of this Age.

Indeed you will see and may see that tonight.
Who knows The Day and Hour?
But it certainly cannot be far away.

If Israel does not finish this and keep rejecting God's Word that THIS is their Land which He has given them, WOE unto them for what is coming for far more of their people will be killed/murdered.

Finish this Israel.
Get in line with God's Word and claim back the Land HE gave to your ancestors.

In Jesus Christ.
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Sounds like Christian/Jewish Jihad. I hate war in the name of religion....More than I hate regular war.
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breaking: renewed Naval shelling off #Gaza coast
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Israel isn't occupying Gaza but they are occupying Palestine.

It would be like China invading the United States except for New Mexico and 50 years from now everyone in the world talks about how China should just annihilate those dirty New Mexicans.
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
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Link?
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No they didn't. They lifted PARTS of it. Hamas wants a complete exit or they will continue.

Israel has NEVER tried it because they don't want peace.

Nice try.

You've said the Israelis are cowards and they don't want peace?

Hmm, let me see.

Did you really, really say that Israel is good at attacking nations that can't fight back?

Vastly, vastly outnumbered in 1948-1949, with only a few personal weapons, the Israelis slaughtered a coalition of nations that included Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt, using armor, artillery and air forces, with thousands of guerrilla volunteers who declared that they were going to soak the ground with Israeli blood and wipe it off the map.

The odds against Israel against this overwhelming coalition was nothing short of a miracle.

Do you remember Syria trying to divert the Jordan and cut off it's waters from Israel? No? Hell, I didn't think so.

Do you recall Egypt shutting off the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping? The months of threats to wipe Israel off the face of the map? To create a great slaughter in Israel?

Conveniently forget that?

Vasty, vastly outnumbered and outgunned, in 1967 as Egypt, Jordan, Syria designed to eliminate Israel once and for all times, were in turn slaughtered, even though they outnumbered the Israelis several times over in any category one wishes to examine.

You consider Egypt, Jordan, and Syria together as an unworthy foe? You consider them outnumbering Israel seven to one militarily to be weak?

Mighty selective. Or ignorant.

I just know you didn't forget what happened in 1972, when another coalition of Syria attacked from the north, and Egypt attacked from the south with all that fine, new Soviet equipment?

And then got their arses kicked. Israel ended up on a road on the opposite side of the Suez, and the road to Damascus was again wide open to Israeli forces - just for the taking.

My friend, rather than repeat some crap heard and learned by rote, find the truth.

The truth is nothing like the bulk of misinformation that's floating around on the internet.

Don't just automatically perpetuate this blatant ignorance.

Different coalitions of much larger nations have resolved and publicly stated their intent to wipe Israel off the map since 1948, and have attacked multiple times to accomplish just that.

Israel isn't going anywhere. Get used to it.
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
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That is a victory for Hamas, or it at least can be spun as one.
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We all know that Hamas will break the ceasefire at some point, probably soon. At least Israel agreeing to it shows they are entertaining the opportunity for peace.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


There won't be a ceasefire, Israel refuses to end the occupation of Gaza.

Israel doesn't want peace, that much is obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28206753




What rock do you live under? Hamas will not admit that Israel has a right to exist, and that their ceasefire will be permanent. Israel wants peace---peace is all they are asking for. Hamas refuses. Only the blind and deaf jew haters cannot understand that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28215028


Occupation and Palestine is all they want.

FACT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28215878


secrets No such place as "Palestine"
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
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Unilateral ceasefire is a surrender.
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
 Quoting: strikeforce


Link?
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[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
 Quoting: strikeforce


He's been wrong before

Just sayin

Unilateral ceasefire...
kind of like the Unilateral withdrawal from Gaza back in '05 (backed by the US) which brought about this situation
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Good idea for Israel, they won't bomb anymore but will wait until Gaza has a good rocket explosion in Israel, then they will go in guns blazing and media will play it out like its Gaza fault
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Huge explosions shaking east of #Gaza now.
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Anyone have a working feed?
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Israel, Hamas expected to hold their fire in coming hours

Despite massive rocket fire from Gaza and terror attack in Tel Aviv, Israel and Islamist group expected to hold their fire in evening hours; apparent ceasefire based on agreements between Israel, Egypt, US

[link to www.ynetnews.com]


Is this a trusted source?
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
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Link?
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HOW THE HELL can they even talk about ceasefire after today?!?!

i don't get that! israel should be in gaza an hour after the bus attack!

how can they be that stupid to think that hamas will hold their fire? there are so many groups who doesn't work directly for hamas?! this just can't be successful!

don't get me wrong, peace is good, but peace between them is almost impossible!
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When will Hamas want peace, when they run out of rockets?
 Quoting: Monk Meat


When Israel stops forcefully OCCUPYING and blockading Gaza.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28214649


They tried that. Got rockets in return.

Next.
 Quoting: Monk Meat


No they didn't. They lifted PARTS of it. Hamas wants a complete exit or they will continue.

Israel has NEVER tried it because they don't want peace.

Nice try.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28214649
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
 Quoting: strikeforce


That is a victory for Hamas, or it at least can be spun as one.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


not when you still have 75k troops on call, ready to go..

ohyeah
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No they didn't. They lifted PARTS of it. Hamas wants a complete exit or they will continue.

Israel has NEVER tried it because they don't want peace.

Nice try.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28214649



Ever read the Hamas charter?
 Quoting: Monk Meat


Changing the subject when you are losing a debate is admission of defeat.

I win. You lose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28215878


So, me asking if you ever read the Hamas charter, which clearly states that they want to destroy the state of Israel, is changing the subject about who does and who doesn't want peace?
 Quoting: Monk Meat


Yep, because Israel says the exact same thing. They want everything to the Jordan river.

Why do you skip over that part? hmmm?
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would be a teriffyingly stupid idea, but that's just my thinking.
 Quoting: godzilla85


ISRAELI OFFICIALS DENY - Israel radio

YNet, Haaretz will often publish this "hoping" it's true..
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


whoever is giving em this crap...should be jailed for the disinformation.
 Quoting: godzilla85


Hamas just took responsibility for the bus bombing

A unilateral ceasefire would be a political move to prepare for retaliation if/when attacks continue
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Source & Link?
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Re: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire
On another thread, the fact that today's Tel Aviv bombing might have been an attempt to derail a ceasefire was raised....

Who would want to keep the current hostilities going?

Erin Cunningham (@erinmcunningham)
11/21/12, 11:22 AM
Tel Aviv bomb RT @DaliaHatuqa A small group by name of Jihad Jibril Brigades belonging to Popular Front- General Command claimed responsib

DavidKenner (@DavidKenner)
11/21/12, 11:25 AM
@erinmcunningham @DaliaHatuqa PFLP-GC is an Assad-controlled Palestinian group, poor Jihad killed in Beirut number of years ago.

Note - Members of both Hamas & al Aqsa Brigade supposedly claimed responsibility for attack (those claims have been retracted)...
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You are about to see an escalation like you have never seen before and will probably never see again.

The Lord is with you Israel.
It is time your people understood this.

In Jesus Christ!
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Doubtful.
Ez
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Not yet
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When Israel stops forcefully OCCUPYING and blockading Gaza.
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They tried that. Got rockets in return.

Next.
 Quoting: Monk Meat



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Yeah no sense in going longer than that...
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
 Quoting: strikeforce


That is a victory for Hamas, or it at least can be spun as one.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


No spin necessary.

resist
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Israel, Hamas expected to hold their fire in coming hours

Despite massive rocket fire from Gaza and terror attack in Tel Aviv, Israel and Islamist group expected to hold their fire in evening hours; apparent ceasefire based on agreements between Israel, Egypt, US

[link to www.ynetnews.com]


Is this a trusted source?
 Quoting: ~JustMe~


well yesterday almost every news source told us that there will be a ceasefire in hours..you know what happened!
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More detail on Channel 10's report on a unilateral Israel ceasefire has come in. Their defence correspondent Alon Ben David reports that following a long discussion in Netanyahu's nine-member kitchen cabinet, they decided that an agreement on Israel's terms could not be achieved and Israel would unilaterally declare a ceasefire. Egypt would then be left to pressure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other militant organizations in the Gaza Strip to hold their fire as well. The channel's senior diplomatic correspondent, Emanuel Rosen, said the announcement will also include a list of concessions to Gaza including lifting restrictions for export.

Doom off
 Quoting: strikeforce


Link?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10393879


HOW THE HELL can they even talk about ceasefire after today?!?!

i don't get that! israel should be in gaza an hour after the bus attack!

how can they be that stupid to think that hamas will hold their fire? there are so many groups who doesn't work directly for hamas?! this just can't be successful!

don't get me wrong, peace is good, but peace between them is almost impossible!
 Quoting: Ger_reG


just remember, israeli media plays a role in the conflict as well, mostly geared at the international community


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