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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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Interesting the cease fire was announced on 11/21/12
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Something I found interesting too...

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HAMAS VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!N5abanana2banana2hf
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LOL, dream on, little goat-rapist.

While it's way too early to say anthing conclusively.... preminarily speaking, this is an ISRAELI Win --- not Hamas:

1) There were NO "opening of the gates of Hell" as Hamas and Islamic Jihad promised. All those billions of dollars invested into Hamas over the many years by Iran, Syria, KSA/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.... all those Iranian "super-dooper" Al-Qods Forces & IRGC advisors that buil=d state-of-the-art weapons factories, depots, bunkers, Centcom facilities.... plus shitload of advanced Russia weaponry smuggled into the tunnels first during Mubarak reign, then even more so under Morsi.......... WERE FOR NAUGHT.

Aside from that stupd Habad family that failed to heed the IDF warning and go into the stairwell where they would have been protected instead of standing by the window.... There weren't 100's of Jewish casualties that Hamas were hoping for by firing 1300 upgraded Chinese Grads & Fajr-3, Fajr-5 into city centers. There was no economic paralysis or depression. Even under fire Israelis continued on going about their lives in cities; in fact many Israelis were foolishly gawking at the Iron Dome show as if it was a soccer match & partying hardy like the usually do.

2) The more talented Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders like Ahmed Ja'abari and Raed al-Atar were almost totally eliminated. The rest were hiding among children, trembling like rats they are. Big rocket launchers???? Gone. Infrastructure, bank, gas lines, parliament, ministry of Interio & other symbols of Hamas power? Gone. This will take years and more billions of dollars to rebuild to rebuild.

3) Israel didn't lose a SINGLE drone, nevermind a single tank, a helicopter or a jet --- despite dozens of atttempts by Hamas to down one using sophisticated Russian Igla-S, Strela supplied by Iran and smuiggled from Qaddafi's stash in Lybia. Not a single Israeli tank lost -- even thoughb they were parked for days on end right on the Gaza border --- well, within the range of RPG-29, RPG-30, nevemind the ATGM like Kornet, Metis-M or Milan that have an effective range of 5 miles! Normally Hamas has no problem shooting ATGM at Israeli jeep patrols, but this time they were quite as a mouse, ahaha, Hamas totally PUSSIED OUT firing at Israeli tanks even from a safe distance of 5 miles inside Gaza buildings!

4) Iron Dome is a brand new system created by Israel in record short period of time... still lots to improve & modify. There were only 4 batteres in the beginning of this conflict instead of the planned 13-15 needed for full covertage. And they intercepted 90% of the Gaza missiles projected to cause the most damage in city centers, which is one of the reasons Israeli casualties were so low (the dead Habad woman was in a place NOT covered by Iron Dome yet).

5) But it gets even better: the 5th Iron Dome battery had to be rushed through develpment 3 months ahead of schedule because of this conflict. And it intercepted 10 Fajr-5 rockets which is incredible because Iron Dome originally wasn't even designed for intercept of expensive large rockets like Zelzal or Fajr-5. That's a game-changer. There are rumours now that all the countries who were initially skeptical about Iron Dome's feasibility, are now EXTREMELY interested in buying it, including South Korea, Singapur, Colombia, the US of course.

So not only is Iron Dome's cost off-set by American military assistence as well as separate Congressional out-lays ------> once Israel starts selling this system, it will make substantial PROFIT.... which will be reinvested back into the ID program R&D, as well as into ever more advanced SAM systems like Magic Wand and Arrow-3 that initally were delayed because of budget issues. A win-win situation for Israel.

6) Further-more, the ENTIRE Israeli Military Industries benefitted from the surgical operations --- it proved that Israeli weapons work as advertised, not just Iron Dome, but electronic warfare, fancy SIGINT, ELINT equipment; the C-Music system protecting against MANPADS; the Spike NLOS that brilliantly took out 4 Islamic Jihad commanders hiding in the media complex building room without harming the civilians in that building.... the various small drones that were hunting preveiously unreachable Jihadi leadership & sophisticated under-ground rcoket launchers.... etc, etc, etc. Expect BILLIONS of dollars in new contracts for Israeli weapons signed in the next year.... big boost to the economy.

7) For all their never-ending Islamic bluster about how they will defend Gaza from Zionist Aggressor... but Iran and Hezbollah elected to SHUT THE FUCK UP & SIT THE FUCK DOWN. In fact, reportedly Hezbollah were using their operatives in South Lebanon in policing capacity -- lest God forbid, some Palistinian sympathizer fired a Grad rocket from Lebanese soil --- thus inviting Israel to kick some major Hezbollah ass again (an 8:1 ration during 2nd lebanese war in favor of IDF -- and billions of dollars in damage, which even Hassan Nasrallah regretted on TV afterwards...so much for Israel "losing" the war....)

8) Israel managed to make Obama, Hillary Clinton and Mohamma Morsi virtual GUARANTORS of a cease-fire & smuggling tunnel control. So now, neither US nor Egypt can afford to look the other way like they used to -- and risk totally discrediting themselves on the world stage, as well as being blamed for any renewal of violence. As Hillary Clinton alluded today, US in particular, can dangle its billion-dollar aid to Egypt & loan guarantees that Egypt desperately needs in order to feed its almost 90 million population as they run out of currency reserves. It's called LEVERAGE with capital '$' :)

9) Israes does NOT have to open border crossing into OR lift the arms-blockade. Certainly not in the near-future. Thus limiting Iran's ability to rebuild Gaza terror infrastructure as uuickly as they want to.

10) Israel got Islamic Jihad, Hamas AND Iran themselves to admit that Iran WAS the supplier of advanced weaponry & the decision-maker behind attacks on Israeli civilians. I mean, we all knew that, but Iran denied it, and there was no HARD proof. Now there IS proof. That is casus belli ----- thus paving legal & legitimate way for Israel to strike Iran's nuke program & regime in the near future. Thanks Ali Larijani, thanks Khaled Meshaal for your big mouth.

11) Nentanyahu did NOT get boggged down in a (very expensive) Gaza Ground-War Quagmire ----> not only did that preserve Israel's strong High-tech economy.....but it also will preempt the future criticism from his political rivals in the Left-wing that Bibi is a "warmonger". Bibi totally painted Shelley Yachimovich and Social Justice crowd into a corner, consigned them to Election irrelevancy --- just when Obama hoped that the seemingly resurrgent Israeli Labor could win elections and get rid of Obama's nemesis Netanyahu.... Not so fast, Barack Husseinovch, LOL!

12) Israel as a whole looks like REASONABLE country that is open to cease-fire --- as opposed to what Israel's critics & haters wanted to see happen: a Russian Grozny Siego type of carpet-bombing campaign on Gaza which would have opened Israel up to charges of Crimes against Humanirt & led to re-newed B.D.S camaign.

13) Israel got to TEST just how coordinated the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Islamic Jihad-Hamas-PRC "Resistance" axis was. Suffice it to say, it was a big letdown for the Axis.

14) Israel was much better at PR than in previous war. Using Youtube and creative new media, Israel supplied ample proof of just how BARBARIC, EVIL and FANATICAL Hamas and other Islamists really are. Even Hamas supporters in the West no longer dare to use the old "oh Hamas builds schools, they are legitimate democratic government, they don't hide behind human shields, blablabla" Bullshit -----> at best, they now prefer to avoid the Hamas topic altogether. That's big -- because in 2008/2009, they were screaming Israel Genocide Hamas aaarrrrhghgghgh!


15) Israel stunned Hamas and Iran with how PRECISE its intelligence was on location of the terror leaders, infrastructure, massive underground weapons depots. Hamas was so shocked, so paranoid they tried to execute random "collaborators" ---- thus making themselves look like idiots & savages for all the world media. Again, even their former supporters in the West aren't as vocal in their defense of Hamas pointless, knee-jerk brutality and massive lies......


16) Bibi can now concentrate on Elections... then on Iran, which as the Saudi King Abdullah said on those classified Wikileaks cables, is the REAL head of the snake.....

17) If rockets don't stop over the next few days/weeks... then IDF will have a legitimate excuse to give an even bigger pounding to Gaza, without it looking like Bibi's "pre-election stunt".

18) Let Hamas clowns celebrate their empty "winning" ala Charlie Sheen. That only further highlights the difference between THEM and US: despite succesful missions, IDF is genuinely regretting the loss of civilian lives on BOTH sides ---- while retarded Jihadists in Gaza are reveling in their own HUMAN SHIELDS babies & women being killed. The world is watching this abomnination and slowly realizing that Hamas are FAR from "noble freedom-fighters" as per Muslim oil-funded propaganda would have them believe....

Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!

Oooops.
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LMAO...did you see that Aussie? How much time you think he spent on that garbage?

And you're probably not even going to read it. ROFL
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 Quoting: Ashton's Succulent volvo 3199014


THIS!!!!

This is the greatest victory for Israel in decades

Phase 1 of the there phase operation went off nearly flawlessness.

This is a 12 month operation.

People will remember the coming 12 months for centuries to come. A period of time when evil was brought to their knees by Israel. The world will be saved by the coming actions which will prevent the greatest nuclear arms race since the Soviet Union and America.

Iran is about to wet their pants.

Phase 1 isn't finished and we aren't to phase 2 just yet. Phase 3 is Iran.
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In the long run, Im not the least bit afraid for Israel. I dont know every detail of how it will play out, but she will be protected.
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Let's not kid ourselves. Israel's future is very bleak from where I see things.

Try this on for size:

The only reason the IDF didn't go into Gaza is because Obama told Netanyahu that future Iron Dome rollouts depend on Netanyahu doing what Obama asks of him. So the USA will provide defensive assets, but they will not allow Israel to kick ass when necessary.

The USA controls Israel, and is holding them hostage. Israel has some very tough decisions to make about its future right now. The USA has become an enemy with a friendly face.

The Israeli people need to decide if it's worth it. They have no self determination because the USA has PURCHASED them via military dependency. Obama's goal is to have Israel destroyed by others while making it look like he helped them. He did a sickeningly brilliant job of playing both sides of the fence here didn't he?

Israel is fucked. They might as well just assimilate into the rest of the world and let Europe deal with the problem of violent Islam.
 Quoting: ISO


bumpISO, You are one smart cookie...humanly speaking Israel is doomed, but you forgot the God factor. Add to your reply God literally coming down here and fighting for Israel (Isa.17 @ Ezek.38) and at the same time taking out the USA(babylon) for playing two-face to Israel and your view would be a near perfect synopsis of the situation.
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You have no idea who Israel is do you, son?
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I think doom is still on...

Israel only agreed to the truce (via Clinton and Netenyahu) on the terms that America would supply them with more munitions and missiles ASAP...

Why would they want to stockpile even more deadly weapons unless they planned on staging another attack/full on invasion soon?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27652209


Let\'s not kid ourselves. Israel\'s future is very bleak from where I see things.

Try this on for size:

The only reason the IDF didn\'t go into Gaza is because Obama told Netanyahu that future Iron Dome rollouts depend on Netanyahu doing what Obama asks of him. So the USA will provide defensive assets, but they will not allow Israel to kick ass when necessary.

The USA controls Israel, and is holding them hostage. Israel has some very tough decisions to make about its future right now. The USA has become an enemy with a friendly face.

The Israeli people need to decide if it\'s worth it. They have no self determination because the USA has PURCHASED them via military dependency. Obama\'s goal is to have Israel destroyed by others while making it look like he helped them. He did a sickeningly brilliant job of playing both sides of the fence here didn\'t he?

Israel is fucked. They might as well just assimilate into the rest of the world and let Europe deal with the problem of violent Islam.
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Yes and what really throws a wrench into the whole thing
with Israel is.....the \"GOD/the bible SAID\"
part of it... thats some scary shit there man

I still ya

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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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Let's not kid ourselves. Israel's future is very bleak from where I see things.

Try this on for size:

The only reason the IDF didn't go into Gaza is because Obama told Netanyahu that future Iron Dome rollouts depend on Netanyahu doing what Obama asks of him. So the USA will provide defensive assets, but they will not allow Israel to kick ass when necessary.

The USA controls Israel, and is holding them hostage. Israel has some very tough decisions to make about its future right now. The USA has become an enemy with a friendly face.

The Israeli people need to decide if it's worth it. They have no self determination because the USA has PURCHASED them via military dependency. Obama's goal is to have Israel destroyed by others while making it look like he helped them. He did a sickeningly brilliant job of playing both sides of the fence here didn't he?

Israel is fucked. They might as well just assimilate into the rest of the world and let Europe deal with the problem of violent Islam.
 Quoting: ISO


bumpISO, You are one smart cookie...humanly speaking Israel is doomed, but you forgot the God factor. Add to your reply God literally coming down here and fighting for Israel (Isa.17 @ Ezek.38) and at the same time taking out the USA(babylon) for playing two-face to Israel and your view would be a near perfect synopsis of the situation.
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You have no idea who Israel is do you, son?
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The Nation State of Israel is only the Tribe of Judah. So...
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This ceasefire wont last long...DO NOT BE FOOLED...


Israel knows it needs to take over Gaza if it EVER wants to confront Iran...


I' dont give it more than 3 days...
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You're wrong. Obama is the X factor many never realized would tip the scales. Obama is the destroyer of Israel. And he's gonna destroy Israel while looking like an ally to the retarded public.
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obamad54
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lmao +1,000,000,000
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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NO, God is not on vacay.

If you read Ez.39, it almost perfectly describes the clean up after a nuclear event.
Ancient Israel had weapons, and God wast on vacay then either. Its no different now, just more advanced.
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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They don't get "nukes" from the United States.
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Is that wind or booms in the background?
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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They don't get "nukes" from the United States.
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Oh yeah... Poor grammar, in a hurry. Didn't mean to imply that.
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


NO, God is not on vacay.

If you read Ez.39, it almost perfectly describes the clean up after a nuclear event.
Ancient Israel had weapons, and God wast on vacay then either. Its no different now, just more advanced.
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Yeah... But 'pillar of cloud' was a lot less impressive this time.
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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NO, God is not on vacay.

If you read Ez.39, it almost perfectly describes the clean up after a nuclear event.
Ancient Israel had weapons, and God wast on vacay then either. Its no different now, just more advanced.
 Quoting: Junie


Yeah... But 'pillar of cloud' was a lot less impressive this time.
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I dont think God was the Pillar of Cloud this time.
He will show His hand when its time.
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LOL, dream on, little goat-rapist.

While it's way too early to say anthing conclusively.... preminarily speaking, this is an ISRAELI Win --- not Hamas:

1) There were NO "opening of the gates of Hell" as Hamas and Islamic Jihad promised. All those billions of dollars invested into Hamas over the many years by Iran, Syria, KSA/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.... all those Iranian "super-dooper" Al-Qods Forces & IRGC advisors that buil=d state-of-the-art weapons factories, depots, bunkers, Centcom facilities.... plus shitload of advanced Russia weaponry smuggled into the tunnels first during Mubarak reign, then even more so under Morsi.......... WERE FOR NAUGHT.

Aside from that stupd Habad family that failed to heed the IDF warning and go into the stairwell where they would have been protected instead of standing by the window.... There weren't 100's of Jewish casualties that Hamas were hoping for by firing 1300 upgraded Chinese Grads & Fajr-3, Fajr-5 into city centers. There was no economic paralysis or depression. Even under fire Israelis continued on going about their lives in cities; in fact many Israelis were foolishly gawking at the Iron Dome show as if it was a soccer match & partying hardy like the usually do.

2) The more talented Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders like Ahmed Ja'abari and Raed al-Atar were almost totally eliminated. The rest were hiding among children, trembling like rats they are. Big rocket launchers???? Gone. Infrastructure, bank, gas lines, parliament, ministry of Interio & other symbols of Hamas power? Gone. This will take years and more billions of dollars to rebuild to rebuild.

3) Israel didn't lose a SINGLE drone, nevermind a single tank, a helicopter or a jet --- despite dozens of atttempts by Hamas to down one using sophisticated Russian Igla-S, Strela supplied by Iran and smuiggled from Qaddafi's stash in Lybia. Not a single Israeli tank lost -- even thoughb they were parked for days on end right on the Gaza border --- well, within the range of RPG-29, RPG-30, nevemind the ATGM like Kornet, Metis-M or Milan that have an effective range of 5 miles! Normally Hamas has no problem shooting ATGM at Israeli jeep patrols, but this time they were quite as a mouse, ahaha, Hamas totally PUSSIED OUT firing at Israeli tanks even from a safe distance of 5 miles inside Gaza buildings!

4) Iron Dome is a brand new system created by Israel in record short period of time... still lots to improve & modify. There were only 4 batteres in the beginning of this conflict instead of the planned 13-15 needed for full covertage. And they intercepted 90% of the Gaza missiles projected to cause the most damage in city centers, which is one of the reasons Israeli casualties were so low (the dead Habad woman was in a place NOT covered by Iron Dome yet).

5) But it gets even better: the 5th Iron Dome battery had to be rushed through develpment 3 months ahead of schedule because of this conflict. And it intercepted 10 Fajr-5 rockets which is incredible because Iron Dome originally wasn't even designed for intercept of expensive large rockets like Zelzal or Fajr-5. That's a game-changer. There are rumours now that all the countries who were initially skeptical about Iron Dome's feasibility, are now EXTREMELY interested in buying it, including South Korea, Singapur, Colombia, the US of course.

So not only is Iron Dome's cost off-set by American military assistence as well as separate Congressional out-lays ------> once Israel starts selling this system, it will make substantial PROFIT.... which will be reinvested back into the ID program R&D, as well as into ever more advanced SAM systems like Magic Wand and Arrow-3 that initally were delayed because of budget issues. A win-win situation for Israel.

6) Further-more, the ENTIRE Israeli Military Industries benefitted from the surgical operations --- it proved that Israeli weapons work as advertised, not just Iron Dome, but electronic warfare, fancy SIGINT, ELINT equipment; the C-Music system protecting against MANPADS; the Spike NLOS that brilliantly took out 4 Islamic Jihad commanders hiding in the media complex building room without harming the civilians in that building.... the various small drones that were hunting preveiously unreachable Jihadi leadership & sophisticated under-ground rcoket launchers.... etc, etc, etc. Expect BILLIONS of dollars in new contracts for Israeli weapons signed in the next year.... big boost to the economy.

7) For all their never-ending Islamic bluster about how they will defend Gaza from Zionist Aggressor... but Iran and Hezbollah elected to SHUT THE FUCK UP & SIT THE FUCK DOWN. In fact, reportedly Hezbollah were using their operatives in South Lebanon in policing capacity -- lest God forbid, some Palistinian sympathizer fired a Grad rocket from Lebanese soil --- thus inviting Israel to kick some major Hezbollah ass again (an 8:1 ration during 2nd lebanese war in favor of IDF -- and billions of dollars in damage, which even Hassan Nasrallah regretted on TV afterwards...so much for Israel "losing" the war....)

8) Israel managed to make Obama, Hillary Clinton and Mohamma Morsi virtual GUARANTORS of a cease-fire & smuggling tunnel control. So now, neither US nor Egypt can afford to look the other way like they used to -- and risk totally discrediting themselves on the world stage, as well as being blamed for any renewal of violence. As Hillary Clinton alluded today, US in particular, can dangle its billion-dollar aid to Egypt & loan guarantees that Egypt desperately needs in order to feed its almost 90 million population as they run out of currency reserves. It's called LEVERAGE with capital '$' :)

9) Israes does NOT have to open border crossing into OR lift the arms-blockade. Certainly not in the near-future. Thus limiting Iran's ability to rebuild Gaza terror infrastructure as uuickly as they want to.

10) Israel got Islamic Jihad, Hamas AND Iran themselves to admit that Iran WAS the supplier of advanced weaponry & the decision-maker behind attacks on Israeli civilians. I mean, we all knew that, but Iran denied it, and there was no HARD proof. Now there IS proof. That is casus belli ----- thus paving legal & legitimate way for Israel to strike Iran's nuke program & regime in the near future. Thanks Ali Larijani, thanks Khaled Meshaal for your big mouth.

11) Nentanyahu did NOT get boggged down in a (very expensive) Gaza Ground-War Quagmire ----> not only did that preserve Israel's strong High-tech economy.....but it also will preempt the future criticism from his political rivals in the Left-wing that Bibi is a "warmonger". Bibi totally painted Shelley Yachimovich and Social Justice crowd into a corner, consigned them to Election irrelevancy --- just when Obama hoped that the seemingly resurrgent Israeli Labor could win elections and get rid of Obama's nemesis Netanyahu.... Not so fast, Barack Husseinovch, LOL!

12) Israel as a whole looks like REASONABLE country that is open to cease-fire --- as opposed to what Israel's critics & haters wanted to see happen: a Russian Grozny Siego type of carpet-bombing campaign on Gaza which would have opened Israel up to charges of Crimes against Humanirt & led to re-newed B.D.S camaign.

13) Israel got to TEST just how coordinated the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Islamic Jihad-Hamas-PRC "Resistance" axis was. Suffice it to say, it was a big letdown for the Axis.

14) Israel was much better at PR than in previous war. Using Youtube and creative new media, Israel supplied ample proof of just how BARBARIC, EVIL and FANATICAL Hamas and other Islamists really are. Even Hamas supporters in the West no longer dare to use the old "oh Hamas builds schools, they are legitimate democratic government, they don't hide behind human shields, blablabla" Bullshit -----> at best, they now prefer to avoid the Hamas topic altogether. That's big -- because in 2008/2009, they were screaming Israel Genocide Hamas aaarrrrhghgghgh!


15) Israel stunned Hamas and Iran with how PRECISE its intelligence was on location of the terror leaders, infrastructure, massive underground weapons depots. Hamas was so shocked, so paranoid they tried to execute random "collaborators" ---- thus making themselves look like idiots & savages for all the world media. Again, even their former supporters in the West aren't as vocal in their defense of Hamas pointless, knee-jerk brutality and massive lies......


16) Bibi can now concentrate on Elections... then on Iran, which as the Saudi King Abdullah said on those classified Wikileaks cables, is the REAL head of the snake.....

17) If rockets don't stop over the next few days/weeks... then IDF will have a legitimate excuse to give an even bigger pounding to Gaza, without it looking like Bibi's "pre-election stunt".

18) Let Hamas clowns celebrate their empty "winning" ala Charlie Sheen. That only further highlights the difference between THEM and US: despite succesful missions, IDF is genuinely regretting the loss of civilian lives on BOTH sides ---- while retarded Jihadists in Gaza are reveling in their own HUMAN SHIELDS babies & women being killed. The world is watching this abomnination and slowly realizing that Hamas are FAR from "noble freedom-fighters" as per Muslim oil-funded propaganda would have them believe....

Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!

Oooops.
 Quoting: Ashton's Succelent Volvo 3199014


LMAO...did you see that Aussie? How much time you think he spent on that garbage?

And you're probably not even going to read it. ROFL
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 Quoting: Ashton's Succulent volvo 3199014


THIS!!!!

This is the greatest victory for Israel in decades

Phase 1 of the there phase operation went off nearly flawlessness.

This is a 12 month operation.

People will remember the coming 12 months for centuries to come. A period of time when evil was brought to their knees by Israel. The world will be saved by the coming actions which will prevent the greatest nuclear arms race since the Soviet Union and America.

Iran is about to wet their pants.

Phase 1 isn't finished and we aren't to phase 2 just yet. Phase 3 is Iran.
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I'm somewhat thinking this way too... maybe this is a sign that the time has come to take out the radical terrorist scum on a worldwide scale and perhaps Israel is leading the charge.
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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NO, God is not on vacay.

If you read Ez.39, it almost perfectly describes the clean up after a nuclear event.
Ancient Israel had weapons, and God wast on vacay then either. Its no different now, just more advanced.
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Yeah... But 'pillar of cloud' was a lot less impressive this time.
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I dont think God was the Pillar of Cloud this time.
He will show His hand when its time.
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I suppose he wasn't showing his hand in Lebanon in 2006 either.
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Let's not kid ourselves. Israel's future is very bleak from where I see things.

Try this on for size:

The only reason the IDF didn't go into Gaza is because Obama told Netanyahu that future Iron Dome rollouts depend on Netanyahu doing what Obama asks of him. So the USA will provide defensive assets, but they will not allow Israel to kick ass when necessary.

The USA controls Israel, and is holding them hostage. Israel has some very tough decisions to make about its future right now. The USA has become an enemy with a friendly face.

The IDF has 15 Iron Dome Systems already... The fact is they don't want to keep useing them.. What other country in the entire world does ? Let no one fool you.. We all will fight for what we want and believe in.. Or we will accept the food given for our survival.. In the coming days you will be given an opportunity to choose what you will stand for as the forces that be direct your path in life..
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damn somebody shoot that singing fool
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Is that wind or booms in the background?
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sounds like wind...

Besides the guy on the microphone there allot more going on in the background. Sounds like lots of people..
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Wife just came to me and noted...no wonder the Arabs are so pissed off all the time....they get woken up by some whiny a-hole every morning! "If you woke me up like that I'd grab your service weapon and make sure to hit 'snooze'!"


Cheers!
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NO, God is not on vacay.

If you read Ez.39, it almost perfectly describes the clean up after a nuclear event.
Ancient Israel had weapons, and God wast on vacay then either. Its no different now, just more advanced.
 Quoting: Junie


Yeah... But 'pillar of cloud' was a lot less impressive this time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


I dont think God was the Pillar of Cloud this time.
He will show His hand when its time.
 Quoting: Junie


I suppose he wasn't showing his hand in Lebanon in 2006 either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


I could go into detail, but theological discussions will get way off track.
I think the nation of Israel on a whole has turned from God.
But, they are still there. They came back into the land and it is flurishing again. Right now we are jut seeing the set up for future events. The world is turning against her, and the US was her last ally. When there is no one else to protect her, God will do so superaturally.
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Is that wind or booms in the background?
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sounds like wind...

Besides the guy on the microphone there allot more going on in the background. Sounds like lots of people..
 Quoting: ~JustMe~


Sounds like spirits....not nice ones.
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there went the truck carrying a new supply of rockets..
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Wife just came to me and noted...no wonder the Arabs are so pissed off all the time....they get woken up by some whiny a-hole every morning! "If you woke me up like that I'd grab your service weapon and make sure to hit 'snooze'!"


Cheers!
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Holy Shit! That's hilarious!

You have a very good wife :)
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Yeah... But 'pillar of cloud' was a lot less impressive this time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


I dont think God was the Pillar of Cloud this time.
He will show His hand when its time.
 Quoting: Junie


I suppose he wasn't showing his hand in Lebanon in 2006 either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


I could go into detail, but theological discussions will get way off track.
I think the nation of Israel on a whole has turned from God.
But, they are still there. They came back into the land and it is flurishing again. Right now we are jut seeing the set up for future events. The world is turning against her, and the US was her last ally. When there is no one else to protect her, God will do so superaturally.
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Junie.. I hope your right.. If Israel falls they won't fall alone.. Life as we know it will change in a much worse way.. Just my thoughts..
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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NO, God is not on vacay.

If you read Ez.39, it almost perfectly describes the clean up after a nuclear event.
Ancient Israel had weapons, and God wast on vacay then either. Its no different now, just more advanced.
 Quoting: Junie


Yeah... But 'pillar of cloud' was a lot less impressive this time.
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It isn't over, yet.

dick
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I dont think God was the Pillar of Cloud this time.
He will show His hand when its time.
 Quoting: Junie


I suppose he wasn't showing his hand in Lebanon in 2006 either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


I could go into detail, but theological discussions will get way off track.
I think the nation of Israel on a whole has turned from God.
But, they are still there. They came back into the land and it is flurishing again. Right now we are jut seeing the set up for future events. The world is turning against her, and the US was her last ally. When there is no one else to protect her, God will do so superaturally.
 Quoting: Junie


Junie.. I hope your right.. If Israel falls they won't fall alone.. Life as we know it will change in a much worse way.. Just my thoughts..
 Quoting: Nlightened


We will all know what was right in the end hf
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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Uhhh... The 'God factor' meaning God himself hasn't factored in yet... He hasn't showed up yet to the party, ole Yahweh or rather Yeshua (Jesus) his son, won't step in until Israel is crippled badly and surrounded by Iran and Russia (Ezek.38,Isa.17). That's when Jesus will come down here, snatch out his bride(believers) and deliver Israel(God's ex-wife who he still loves and is wooing back) by using these weapons: a worldwide earthquake, confusion in enemy troops killing each other,hailstones,fire and brimstone.

BTW, This is when the Tribulation of God's Wrath begins on earth and there'll be no "wondering" if this is it... Read Rev.6:12-17 especially verse 17... where it says everyone will know that God's wrath has begun.
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Junie.. I hope your right.. If Israel falls they won't fall alone.. Life as we know it will change in a much worse way.. Just my thoughts..
 Quoting: Nlightened


There's always the Samson Option...
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HAMAS VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!N5abanana2banana2hf
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LOL, dream on, little goat-rapist.

While it's way too early to say anthing conclusively.... preminarily speaking, this is an ISRAELI Win --- not Hamas:

1) There were NO "opening of the gates of Hell" as Hamas and Islamic Jihad promised. All those billions of dollars invested into Hamas over the many years by Iran, Syria, KSA/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.... all those Iranian "super-dooper" Al-Qods Forces & IRGC advisors that buil=d state-of-the-art weapons factories, depots, bunkers, Centcom facilities.... plus shitload of advanced Russia weaponry smuggled into the tunnels first during Mubarak reign, then even more so under Morsi.......... WERE FOR NAUGHT.

Aside from that stupd Habad family that failed to heed the IDF warning and go into the stairwell where they would have been protected instead of standing by the window.... There weren't 100's of casualties that Hamas wanted by firing 1000 upgraded Chinese Grads & Fajr-3, Fajr-5 into city centers. There was no economic paralysis or depression. Israelis continued on, in fact many were lookinng on like in a soccer match & partying hardy.

2) The more talented Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders like Ahmed Ja'abari and Raed al-Atar were almost totally eliminated. The rest were hiding among children, trembling like rats they are. Big rocket launchers???? Gone. Infrastructure, bank, gas lines, parliament? Gone. This will take years and more billions of dollars to rebuild to rebuild.

3) Israel didn't lose a SINGLE drone, nevermind a single tank, a helicopter or a jet --- despite dozens of atttempts by Hamas to down one using sophisticated Russian Igla-S, Strela supplied by Iran and smuiggled from Qaddafi's stash in Lybia. Not a single Israeli tank lost -- even thoughb they were parked for days on end right on the Gaza border --- well, within the range of RPG-29, RPG-30, nevemind the ATGM like Kornet, Metis-M or Milan that have an effective range of 5 miles!

4) Iron Doem is a brand new system created by Israel in record short period of time... still lots to improve & modify. There were only 4 batteres in the beginning of this conflict instead of the planned 13-15 for full covertage. And they intercepted 90% of the Gaza missiles projected to cause the most damage in city centers, which is one of the reasons Israeli casulaties were so low (the dead Habad woman was in a place NOT covered by Iron Dome yet).

5) But it gets even better: the 5th Iron Dome battery had to be rushed through develpment 3 months ahead of schedule because of this conflict. And it intercepted 10 Fajr-5 rockets which is incredible because Iron Dome wasn't even designed for intercept exensive large rockets like Zelzal or Fajr-5. That's a game-changer. There are rumours now that all the countries who were initially skeptical about Iron Dome's feasibility, are now EXTREMELY interested in buying it, including South Korea, Singapur, Colombia, the US course. So not only is Iron Dome's cost off-set by American military assistence as well as separate Congressional out-lays ------> once Israel starts selling this system, it will make substantial PROFIT.... which will be reinvested back into the ID program R&D, as well as into ever more advanced SAM systems like Magic Wand and Arrow-3. A win-win situation for Israel.

6) Further-more, the ENTIRE Israeli Military-Industries benefitted from the surgical operations --- it proved that Israeli weapons work as advertised, not just Iron Dome. the C-Music system, the Spike NLOS that brilliantly took out 4 Islamic Jihad commanders hiding in the media complex building room without harming the civilians in that building.... the various small drones that were hunting preveiously unreachable Jihadi leadership & sophisticated under-ground rcoket launchers.... etc, etc, etc. Expect BILLIONS of dollars in new contracts for Israeli weapons signed in the next year.... big boost to the economy.

7) For all their never-ending Islamic bluster about how they will defend Gaza from Zionist Aggressor... but Iran and Hezbollah elected to SHUT THE FUCK UP & SIT THE FUCK DOWN. In fact, reportedly Hezbollah were using their operatives in South Lebanon in policing capacity -- lest God forbid, some Palistinian sympathizer fired a Grad rocket from Lebanese soil --- thus inviting Israel to kick some major Hezbollah ass again (8:1 ration during 2nd lebanese war in favor of IDF -- and billions of dollars in damage, which even Hassan Nasrallah regretted on TV afterwards...so much for Israel "losing" the war....)

8) Israel managed to make Obama, Hillary Clinton and Mohamma Morsi virtual GUARANTORS of cease-fire & smuggling tunnel control. So now, neither US nor Egypt can afford to look the other way like they used to -- and risk totally discrediting themselves on the world stage, as well as being blamed for any renewal of violence.

9) Israes does NOT have to open border crossing into OR lift the arms-blockade. Certainly not in the near-future. Thus limiting Iran's ability to rebuild Gaza terror infrastructure as uuickly as they want to.

10) Israel got Islamic Jihad, Hamas AND Iran themselves to admit that Iran WAS the supplier of advanced weaponry & the decision-maker behind attacks on Israeli civilians. I mean, we all knew that, but Iran denied it, and there was no HARD proof. Now there IS proof. That is casus belli -----? thus paving legal & legitimate way for Israel to strike Iran's nuke program & regime in the near future. Thanks Ali Larinjani, thanks for your big mouth.

11) Nentanyahu did NOT get boggged down in a (very expensive) Gaza Ground-War Quagmire ----> not only did that preserve Israel's strong High-tech economy.....but it also will preempt the future criticism from his political rivals in the Left-wing that Bibi is a "warmonger". Bibi totally painted Shelley Yachimovich and Social Justice crowd into a corner, consigned them to Election irrelevancy --- just when Obama hoped that the seemingly resurrgent Israeli Labor could win elections and get rid of Obama's nemesis Netanyahu.... Not so fast, Barack Husseinovch, LOL!

12) Israel as a whole looks like REASONABLE country that is open to cease-fire --- as opposed to what Israel's critics & haters wanted to see happen: a Russian Grozny Siego type of carpet-bombing campaign on Gaza which would have opened Israel up to charges of Crimes against Humanirt & led to re-newed B.D.S camaign.

13) Israel got to TEST just how coordinated the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Islamic Jihad-Hamas-PRC "Resistance" axis was. Suffice it to say, it was a big letdown for the Axis.

14) Israel was much better at PR than in previous war. Using Youtube and creative new media, Israel supplied ample proof of just how BARBARIC, EVIL and FANATICAL Hamas and other Islamists really are. Even Hamas supporters in the West no longer dare to use the old "oh Hamas builds schools, they are legitimate democratic government, they don't hide behind human shields, blablabla" Bullshit -----> at best, they avoid the Hamas topic altogether. Tha't big -- because in 2008/2009, they were screaming Israel Genocide Hamas aaarrrrhghgghgh!


15) Israel stunned Hamas and Iran with how PRECISE its intelligence was on location of the terror leaders, infrastructure, massive underground weapons depots. Hamas was so shocked, so paranoid they tried to execute random "collaborators" ---- thus making themselves look like idiots & savages all the world media. Again, even their former supporters in the West aren't as vocal in their defense of Hamas pointless, knee-jerk brutality and massive lies......


16) Bibi can now concentrate on Elections... then on Iran, which as the Saudi King Abdullah said on those classified Wikileaks cables, is the REAL head of the snake.....


Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!

Oooops.
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Epic post! But how is Israel going to deal with Obama?

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