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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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The 'God factor' seems unimpressive so far. I mean, for some reason Israel needs all those nukes and bombs from the USA. Seems like ole Yahweh is on Vacay.
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Uhhh... The 'God factor' meaning God himself hasn't factored in yet... He hasn't showed up yet to the party, ole Yahweh or rather Yeshua (Jesus) his son, won't step in until Israel is crippled badly and surrounded by Iran and Russia (Ezek.38,Isa.17). That's when Jesus will come down here, snatch out his bride(believers) and deliver Israel(God's ex-wife who he still loves and is wooing back) by using these weapons: a worldwide earthquake, confusion in enemy troops killing each other,hailstones,fire and brimstone.

BTW, This is when the Tribulation of God's Wrath begins on earth and there'll be no "wondering" if this is it... Read Rev.6:12-17 especially verse 17... where it says everyone will know that God's wrath has begun.
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Yeah, well... We'll see.
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Is that wind or booms in the background?
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Wondering the exact same thing.
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Here's my take on the Torah.

If you read the Torah for what it is...it is an incredible book of advanced knowledge hidden in simple stories so that future generations can pass them on. If the SHTF, everyone better have a copy of the Old Testament on them. In that book has everything you need to keep your society going in the crappiest of situations.

From preserving Math in the Gematria to the quantum physics in the Kabbalah and critical thinking skills in the oral traditions of arguing what God did or did not want based upon how that word ties into other words, etc.

Even the idea of keeping Niddah would be vital in a world that went backwards. Niddah is family purity and is the funny thing orthodox jews do to keep themselves 'pure'. So no touching other people outside of their communities or even between men and women. If there were a pandemic, you would not touch people outside of your community nor would you want to be touching your neighbors.

Pre-marital sex would be forbidden. In a sexual promiscuous society, without antibiotics, one std could wipe out all of your sexually mature people. Also, so wouldn't anal sex because of the risk of disease transmission and oral sex. Granted oral sex isn't prohibited in the OT but if you care about your wife, you wouldn't be forcing your c@co in her mouth. It's too easy to give her strep or another viral infection that could kill her.

Even circumcision, love it or hate it - is vital in a world without advanced medicine.

Regarding pork- pigs and humans are physiologically very similar. We share the same parasites. It isn't a good thing to be eating. And - in the case of flu - remember pig can catch avian flu and human flu. We do not generally get avian flu. A pig could catch the flu from us and the flu from a bird - mix it up in its body and give it back to us in a deadly form. So if you find yourself back in the dark ages, do not keep pigs and chickens together.

Now love or hate Israel - but they are descendants from the strongest and toughest that survived the Holocaust. They come from tough stock just two generations ago and have been battle tested their whole existence. Do not confuse American Jews with Israeli Jews. American Jews are pussies.

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[link to www.timeanddate.com]

It can't be the wind. Gaza City weather says the wind is only 4 kph.

But it does sound like it could be wind.
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HAMAS VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!N5abanana2banana2hf
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LOL, dream on, little goat-rapist.

While it's way too early to say anthing conclusively.... preminarily speaking, this is an ISRAELI Win --- not Hamas:

1) There were NO "opening of the gates of Hell" as Hamas and Islamic Jihad promised. All those billions of dollars invested into Hamas over the many years by Iran, Syria, KSA/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.... all those Iranian "super-dooper" Al-Qods Forces & IRGC advisors that buil=d state-of-the-art weapons factories, depots, bunkers, Centcom facilities.... plus shitload of advanced Russia weaponry smuggled into the tunnels first during Mubarak reign, then even more so under Morsi.......... WERE FOR NAUGHT.

Aside from that stupd Habad family that failed to heed the IDF warning and go into the stairwell where they would have been protected instead of standing by the window.... There weren't 100's of casualties that Hamas wanted by firing 1000 upgraded Chinese Grads & Fajr-3, Fajr-5 into city centers. There was no economic paralysis or depression. Israelis continued on, in fact many were lookinng on like in a soccer match & partying hardy.

2) The more talented Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders like Ahmed Ja'abari and Raed al-Atar were almost totally eliminated. The rest were hiding among children, trembling like rats they are. Big rocket launchers???? Gone. Infrastructure, bank, gas lines, parliament? Gone. This will take years and more billions of dollars to rebuild to rebuild.

3) Israel didn't lose a SINGLE drone, nevermind a single tank, a helicopter or a jet --- despite dozens of atttempts by Hamas to down one using sophisticated Russian Igla-S, Strela supplied by Iran and smuiggled from Qaddafi's stash in Lybia. Not a single Israeli tank lost -- even thoughb they were parked for days on end right on the Gaza border --- well, within the range of RPG-29, RPG-30, nevemind the ATGM like Kornet, Metis-M or Milan that have an effective range of 5 miles!

4) Iron Doem is a brand new system created by Israel in record short period of time... still lots to improve & modify. There were only 4 batteres in the beginning of this conflict instead of the planned 13-15 for full covertage. And they intercepted 90% of the Gaza missiles projected to cause the most damage in city centers, which is one of the reasons Israeli casulaties were so low (the dead Habad woman was in a place NOT covered by Iron Dome yet).

5) But it gets even better: the 5th Iron Dome battery had to be rushed through develpment 3 months ahead of schedule because of this conflict. And it intercepted 10 Fajr-5 rockets which is incredible because Iron Dome wasn't even designed for intercept exensive large rockets like Zelzal or Fajr-5. That's a game-changer. There are rumours now that all the countries who were initially skeptical about Iron Dome's feasibility, are now EXTREMELY interested in buying it, including South Korea, Singapur, Colombia, the US course. So not only is Iron Dome's cost off-set by American military assistence as well as separate Congressional out-lays ------> once Israel starts selling this system, it will make substantial PROFIT.... which will be reinvested back into the ID program R&D, as well as into ever more advanced SAM systems like Magic Wand and Arrow-3. A win-win situation for Israel.

6) Further-more, the ENTIRE Israeli Military-Industries benefitted from the surgical operations --- it proved that Israeli weapons work as advertised, not just Iron Dome. the C-Music system, the Spike NLOS that brilliantly took out 4 Islamic Jihad commanders hiding in the media complex building room without harming the civilians in that building.... the various small drones that were hunting preveiously unreachable Jihadi leadership & sophisticated under-ground rcoket launchers.... etc, etc, etc. Expect BILLIONS of dollars in new contracts for Israeli weapons signed in the next year.... big boost to the economy.

7) For all their never-ending Islamic bluster about how they will defend Gaza from Zionist Aggressor... but Iran and Hezbollah elected to SHUT THE FUCK UP & SIT THE FUCK DOWN. In fact, reportedly Hezbollah were using their operatives in South Lebanon in policing capacity -- lest God forbid, some Palistinian sympathizer fired a Grad rocket from Lebanese soil --- thus inviting Israel to kick some major Hezbollah ass again (8:1 ration during 2nd lebanese war in favor of IDF -- and billions of dollars in damage, which even Hassan Nasrallah regretted on TV afterwards...so much for Israel "losing" the war....)

8) Israel managed to make Obama, Hillary Clinton and Mohamma Morsi virtual GUARANTORS of cease-fire & smuggling tunnel control. So now, neither US nor Egypt can afford to look the other way like they used to -- and risk totally discrediting themselves on the world stage, as well as being blamed for any renewal of violence.

9) Israes does NOT have to open border crossing into OR lift the arms-blockade. Certainly not in the near-future. Thus limiting Iran's ability to rebuild Gaza terror infrastructure as uuickly as they want to.

10) Israel got Islamic Jihad, Hamas AND Iran themselves to admit that Iran WAS the supplier of advanced weaponry & the decision-maker behind attacks on Israeli civilians. I mean, we all knew that, but Iran denied it, and there was no HARD proof. Now there IS proof. That is casus belli -----? thus paving legal & legitimate way for Israel to strike Iran's nuke program & regime in the near future. Thanks Ali Larinjani, thanks for your big mouth.

11) Nentanyahu did NOT get boggged down in a (very expensive) Gaza Ground-War Quagmire ----> not only did that preserve Israel's strong High-tech economy.....but it also will preempt the future criticism from his political rivals in the Left-wing that Bibi is a "warmonger". Bibi totally painted Shelley Yachimovich and Social Justice crowd into a corner, consigned them to Election irrelevancy --- just when Obama hoped that the seemingly resurrgent Israeli Labor could win elections and get rid of Obama's nemesis Netanyahu.... Not so fast, Barack Husseinovch, LOL!

12) Israel as a whole looks like REASONABLE country that is open to cease-fire --- as opposed to what Israel's critics & haters wanted to see happen: a Russian Grozny Siego type of carpet-bombing campaign on Gaza which would have opened Israel up to charges of Crimes against Humanirt & led to re-newed B.D.S camaign.

13) Israel got to TEST just how coordinated the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Islamic Jihad-Hamas-PRC "Resistance" axis was. Suffice it to say, it was a big letdown for the Axis.

14) Israel was much better at PR than in previous war. Using Youtube and creative new media, Israel supplied ample proof of just how BARBARIC, EVIL and FANATICAL Hamas and other Islamists really are. Even Hamas supporters in the West no longer dare to use the old "oh Hamas builds schools, they are legitimate democratic government, they don't hide behind human shields, blablabla" Bullshit -----> at best, they avoid the Hamas topic altogether. Tha't big -- because in 2008/2009, they were screaming Israel Genocide Hamas aaarrrrhghgghgh!


15) Israel stunned Hamas and Iran with how PRECISE its intelligence was on location of the terror leaders, infrastructure, massive underground weapons depots. Hamas was so shocked, so paranoid they tried to execute random "collaborators" ---- thus making themselves look like idiots & savages all the world media. Again, even their former supporters in the West aren't as vocal in their defense of Hamas pointless, knee-jerk brutality and massive lies......


16) Bibi can now concentrate on Elections... then on Iran, which as the Saudi King Abdullah said on those classified Wikileaks cables, is the REAL head of the snake.....


Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!

Oooops.
 Quoting: Ashton's Succelent Volvo 3199014


Epic post! But how is Israel going to deal with Obama?
 Quoting: ISO

Um. I have an idea, but I dare not type it online these days.
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RT guy drank too much during the celebration, cam down then back up a little too early.
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The Nation State of Israel is only the Tribe of Judah. So...
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It's daughter and yes you're right, the remainder of the tribes, mostly from the USA(babylon) will flood in to Israel as soon as God destroys USA(babylon). Some of the other tribes already have made their way back...people from Ethiopia, Russia, ect.
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I think when Israel is on its last breath, they'll send all their warheads up and then a few generations later, all the dirty uneducated people who are still alive will be taught God destroyed everything, and we start all over with the vicious cycle of religion.
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This should be a lesson for the mental cripples who think Israel controls the USA.

Obama STOPPED the ground invasion in progress for Christ's sake!
 Quoting: ISO

Where are you reading this juicy stuff?
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Surprisingly there are christians in Gaza too. So not everybody is going to allah's snackbar there.
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One last thing... if the world were to end tomorrow... I suspect you would create a book just like the OT to keep your civilization going. How could you convince people not to have premarital sex if there is no concept of bacterial infections? So before you go trashing the Jews or my Torah, understand that they survived the last great unheaval. I suspect that is why they considered themselves chosen. They were chosen to stay behind just as I suspect we'll be left behind this next time.
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drones getting louder
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Junie.. I hope your right.. If Israel falls they won't fall alone.. Life as we know it will change in a much worse way.. Just my thoughts..
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There's always the Samson Option...
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Thanks a lot GERMANY
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Finklestein
the name was created by GLP

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FINKLESTEIN

the very name was forged in the depths
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he/she/they stand for
truth
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and common sense


peace love to all

Finklestein Lives
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Let's not kid ourselves. Israel's future is very bleak from where I see things.

Try this on for size:

The only reason the IDF didn't go into Gaza is because Obama told Netanyahu that future Iron Dome rollouts depend on Netanyahu doing what Obama asks of him. So the USA will provide defensive assets, but they will not allow Israel to kick ass when necessary.

The USA controls Israel, and is holding them hostage. Israel has some very tough decisions to make about its future right now. The USA has become an enemy with a friendly face.

The IDF has 15 Iron Dome Systems already... The fact is they don't want to keep useing them.. What other country in the entire world does ? Let no one fool you.. We all will fight for what we want and believe in.. Or we will accept the food given for our survival.. In the coming days you will be given an opportunity to choose what you will stand for as the forces that be direct your path in life..
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Wait, Wait, Wait... Iron Dome systems are produced by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. A Israeli defense technology company, not USA.

While the concepts are basically the same, the Iron Dome is NOT the same as the USA Patriot system.

Right now there are only 5 (four gen 1, one gen 2), soon to be six reading between the lines, Iron Dome stations. The full Iron Dome implementation to cover Israel will take OVER 15 stations.


I'm lost...can you clarify what the heck you are talking about?

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Finklestein
the name was created by GLP

he/she/they came
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then the people of GLP dubbed him/her/them

FINKLESTEIN

the very name was forged in the depths
of GLP

he/she/they stand for
truth
justice
fairness
equality
and common sense


peace love to all

Finklestein Lives
For I am Finklestein
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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
These are the times that try mens souls

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...


I dont think God was the Pillar of Cloud this time.
He will show His hand when its time.
 Quoting: Junie


I suppose he wasn\'t showing his hand in Lebanon in 2006 either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


I could go into detail, but theological discussions will get way off track.
I think the nation of Israel on a whole has turned from God.
But, they are still there. They came back into the land and it is flurishing again. Right now we are jut seeing the set up for future events. The world is turning against her, and the US was her last ally. When there is no one else to protect her, God will do so superaturally.
 Quoting: Junie

Oh right
GOD SAID

what a fucking crock of SHIT

fucking religitards
hell bent on being hell bent

Religion
The ONE thing guaranteed to SEPARATE mankind for ever

and now all the religitards are doing their best to
bring about their precious ENDTIMES

and you are feeding the fire


love ya


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Might as well reason with cows.
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Has there been any shelling from Israel since the official ceasefire.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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From Netanyahu's Facebook:

I realize that there are citizens who expect a harsher military action and we may very well need to do that. But at present, the right thing for the State of Israel is to exhaust this possibility of reaching a long-term cease-fire. As Prime Minister, I have the responsibility, and it is the highest responsibility, to make the right steps to ensure our security. That is what I have done and it is what I will continue to do
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Finklestein
the name was created by GLP

he/she/they came
he/she/they spoke

then the people of GLP dubbed him/her/them

FINKLESTEIN

the very name was forged in the depths
of GLP

he/she/they stand for
truth
justice
fairness
equality
and common sense


peace love to all

Finklestein Lives
For I am Finklestein
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Einhorn!
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Kyle? Is that you? LOL
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drones getting louder
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Yes, and also that cultic bastard reading and singing a bunch of shit, also depriving people of peace and quiet.
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Has there been any shelling from Israel since the official ceasefire.
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Not that there evidence of. People still watching though. I think this cease fire will stick until Iran grows a set.
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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
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Maybe we should send the rooster a public address system!


grinning
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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
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Maybe we should send the rooster a public address system!


grinning
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I vote for the rooster. Probably smarter anyway.
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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
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Maybe we should send the rooster a public address system!


grinning
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That would be great. Time for IDF spec ops to deploy public address system for rooster.
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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
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Maybe we should send the rooster a public address system!


grinning
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Yes, give the microphone to the rooster. He's probably smarter anyway.
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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
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Maybe we should send the rooster a public address system!


grinning
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I vote for the rooster. Probably smarter anyway.
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WIN! ^^^

GOOD GOD JIM! I almost shot Vodka out my nose!!



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sounds like our rooster is saying shut the hell up
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Maybe we should send the rooster a public address system!


grinning
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I vote for the rooster. Probably smarter anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24788663


WIN! ^^^

GOOD GOD JIM! I almost shot Vodka out my nose!!



Note to self: don't drink and read at the same time
 Quoting: Taking Suggestions

*hands TS a towel*
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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