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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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From Netanyahu's Facebook:

I realize that there are citizens who expect a harsher military action and we may very well need to do that. But at present, the right thing for the State of Israel is to exhaust this possibility of reaching a long-term cease-fire. As Prime Minister, I have the responsibility, and it is the highest responsibility, to make the right steps to ensure our security. That is what I have done and it is what I will continue to do
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I can confirm this...
 Quoting: ~JustMe~


That doesn't sound like someone who is wimping out our giving in to Obama and Clinton. It sounds like somebody who's being prudent.
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Nice view on RT.
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I really believe if this was over cameras would be gone. Drones gone. Rooster well he can stay.
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OK, I definitely hear something besides the drones, the call to prayer and the rooster. It sounds like jet engines.
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Which feed? Wind noise sometimes...
 Quoting: Taking Suggestions

I don't know if that is all wind.

Look at the trees in both vids. RT and Reuters. The tree limbs are barely moving and not that frequently.
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Wind screens are used on even handheld microphones to filter out breathing. It doesn't take much to get wind noise.
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*nod*
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Has there been any shelling from Israel since the official ceasefire.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Not that there evidence of. People still watching though. I think this cease fire will stick until Iran grows a set.
 Quoting: WISC


Honestly im far from being a religious person but the bible speaks of all this peace and security and then Bam the doom hammer hits full force.

Not saying the bible is right but i can actually see this as a possibility.

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: Dapurps


Yep. But if the Bible IS right....then there should come a man that everyone follows and the Temple building begins. Which is ready and set for that time.cool2
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I am gonna need extra coffee tonight. Too quite. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: reaperz73


Yeah I'm gonna do the same.

I'm gonna start cooking at about 3am

so my schedule will be this...

GLP
prepping Turkey
GLP
Baking Turkey
GLP
Stuffing
GLP
Make Pie
GLP
Bake Pie
GLP
Make Banana Pudding
GLP
Bake this
GLP
Cook That
GLP
Too tired to eat when its done

lol

GLP

then leave for another dinner with family at about 2pm

GLP

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I am gonna need extra coffee tonight. Too quite. Calm before the storm.
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Toss back a couple of pseudoephedrine+whatever extra crap and you will be golden for at least 4-6 hours. Follow Labeling. Don't ask why I know this.
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I am gonna need extra coffee tonight. Too quite. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: reaperz73


Yeah I'm gonna do the same.

I'm gonna start cooking at about 3am

so my schedule will be this...

GLP
prepping Turkey
GLP
Baking Turkey
GLP
Stuffing
GLP
Make Pie
GLP
Bake Pie
GLP
Make Banana Pudding
GLP
Bake this
GLP
Cook That
GLP
Too tired to eat when its done

lol

GLP

then leave for another dinner family at about 2pm

GLP
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


No doubt. Been cooking here all day.
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I am gonna need extra coffee tonight. Too quite. Calm before the storm.
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Toss back a couple of pseudoephedrine+whatever extra crap and you will be golden for at least 4-6 hours. Follow Labeling. Don't ask why I know this.
 Quoting: Taking Suggestions


I know this cause I had a few too many pseudoephedrine and started seeing huge spiders and crap.
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HAMAS VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!N5abanana2banana2hf
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LOL, dream on, little goat-rapist.

While it's way too early to say anything conclusively.... preliminarily speaking, this is an ISRAELI Win --- not Hamas:

1) There were NO "opening of the gates of Hell" as Hamas and Islamic Jihad promised. All those billions of dollars invested into Hamas over the many years by Iran, Syria, KSA/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.... all those Iranian "super-dooper" Al-Qods Forces & IRGC advisors that built state-of-the-art weapons factories, depots, bunkers, Centcom facilities.... plus shitload of advanced Russia weaponry smuggled into the tunnels first during Mubarak reign, then even more so under Morsi.......... WERE FOR NAUGHT.

Aside from that stupd Habad family that failed to heed the IDF warning and go into the stairwell where they would have been protected instead of standing by the window.... There weren't 100's of casualties that Hamas wanted by firing 1000 upgraded Chinese Grads & Fajr-3, Fajr-5 into city centers. There was no economic paralysis or depression. Israelis continued on, in fact many were lookinng on like in a soccer match & partying hardy.

2) The more talented Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders like Ahmed Ja'abari and Raed al-Atar were almost totally eliminated. The rest were hiding among children, trembling like rats they are. Big rocket launchers???? Gone. Infrastructure, bank, gas lines, parliament? Gone. This will take years and more billions of dollars to rebuild to rebuild.

3) Israel didn't lose a SINGLE drone, nevermind a single tank, a helicopter or a jet --- despite dozens of atttempts by Hamas to down one using sophisticated Russian Igla-S, Strela supplied by Iran and smuiggled from Qaddafi's stash in Lybia. Not a single Israeli tank lost -- even thoughb they were parked for days on end right on the Gaza border --- well, within the range of RPG-29, RPG-30, nevemind the ATGM like Kornet, Metis-M or Milan that have an effective range of 5 miles!

4) Iron Doem is a brand new system created by Israel in record short period of time... still lots to improve & modify. There were only 4 batteres in the beginning of this conflict instead of the planned 13-15 for full covertage. And they intercepted 90% of the Gaza missiles projected to cause the most damage in city centers, which is one of the reasons Israeli casulaties were so low (the dead Habad woman was in a place NOT covered by Iron Dome yet).

5) But it gets even better: the 5th Iron Dome battery had to be rushed through develpment 3 months ahead of schedule because of this conflict. And it intercepted 10 Fajr-5 rockets which is incredible because Iron Dome wasn't even designed for intercept exensive large rockets like Zelzal or Fajr-5. That's a game-changer. There are rumours now that all the countries who were initially skeptical about Iron Dome's feasibility, are now EXTREMELY interested in buying it, including South Korea, Singapur, Colombia, the US course. So not only is Iron Dome's cost off-set by American military assistence as well as separate Congressional out-lays ------> once Israel starts selling this system, it will make substantial PROFIT.... which will be reinvested back into the ID program R&D, as well as into ever more advanced SAM systems like Magic Wand and Arrow-3. A win-win situation for Israel.

6) Further-more, the ENTIRE Israeli Military-Industries benefitted from the surgical operations --- it proved that Israeli weapons work as advertised, not just Iron Dome. the C-Music system, the Spike NLOS that brilliantly took out 4 Islamic Jihad commanders hiding in the media complex building room without harming the civilians in that building.... the various small drones that were hunting preveiously unreachable Jihadi leadership & sophisticated under-ground rcoket launchers.... etc, etc, etc. Expect BILLIONS of dollars in new contracts for Israeli weapons signed in the next year.... big boost to the economy.

7) For all their never-ending Islamic bluster about how they will defend Gaza from Zionist Aggressor... both Iran and Hezbollah wisely elected to SHUT THE FUCK UP & SIT THE FUCK DOWN. In fact, reportedly Hezbollah were using their operatives in South Lebanon in policing capacity -- lest God forbid, some Palistinian sympathizer fired a Grad rocket from Lebanese soil --- thus inviting Israel to kick some major Hezbollah ass again (8:1 ration during 2nd lebanese war in favor of IDF -- and billions of dollars in damage, which even Hassan Nasrallah regretted on TV afterwards...so much for Israel "losing" the war....)

8) Israel managed to make Obama, Hillary Clinton and Mohammad Morsi virtual GUARANTORS of cease-fire & smuggling tunnel control. So now, neither US nor Egypt can afford to look the other way like they used to -- and risk totally discrediting themselves on the world stage, as well as being blamed for any renewal of violence.

9) Israes does NOT have to open border crossing into OR lift the arms-blockade. Certainly not in the near-future. Thus limiting Iran's ability to rebuild Gaza terror infrastructure as uuickly as they want to.

10) Israel got Islamic Jihad, Hamas AND Iran themselves to admit that Iran WAS the supplier of advanced weaponry & the chief decision-maker behind attacks on Israeli civilians. I mean, we all knew that already, but Iran vehemently denied it, and there was no HARD proof to the contrary. Now there IS proof. That, my friends, is casus belli ----- thus paving legal & legitimate way for Israel to strike Iran's nuke program & regime in the near future. Thanks Ali Larijani, thanks for your big mouth. By your prideful admission, you just made Israel's justificaztion for pre-emptively striking your country all that much easier.

11) Nentanyahu did NOT get boggged down in a (very expensive) Gaza Ground-War Quagmire ----> not only did that preserve Israel's strong High-tech economy.....but it also will preempt the future criticism from his political rivals in the Left-wing that Bibi is a "warmonger". Bibi totally painted Shelley Yachimovich and Social Justice crowd into a corner, consigned them to Election irrelevancy --- just when Obama hoped that the seemingly resurrgent Israeli Labor could win elections and get rid of Obama's nemesis Netanyahu.... Not so fast, Barack Husseinovch, LOL!

12) Israel as a whole looks like a REASONABLE country that is open to cease-fire --- as opposed to what Israel's critics & haters wanted to see happen: a Russian Grozny Siege style of carpet-bombing campaign on Gaza which would have opened Israel up to charges of Crimes against Humanity & led to re-newed B.D.S camaign.

13) Israel got to TEST just how coordinated the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Islamic Jihad-Hamas-PRC "Resistance" axis was. Suffice it to say, it was a big letdown for the Axis. Lots of impotent press releases, but nothing in a way of action.

14) Israel was much better at PR than in previous war. Using Youtube and creative new media, Israel supplied ample proof of just how BARBARIC, EVIL and FANATICAL Hamas and other Islamists really are. Even Hamas supporters in the West no longer dare to use the old "oh Hamas builds schools, they are legitimate democratic government, they could never hide behind human shields, blablabla" Bullshit -----> at best, they avoid the Hamas topic altogether. That's big -- because in 2008/2009, they were screaming Israel Genocide; Hamas are Saints aaarrrrhghgghgh!


15) Israel stunned Hamas and Iran with how PRECISE its intelligence was on location of the terror leaders, infrastructure, massive underground weapons depots. Hamas was so shocked, so paranoid they tried to execute random "collaborators" ---- thus making themselves look like idiots & savages all the world media. Again, even their former supporters in the West aren't as vocal in their defense of Hamas pointless, knee-jerk brutality and massive lies......this time around.


16) Bibi can now concentrate on Elections... then on Iran, which as the Saudi King Abdullah said on those classified Wikileaks cables, is the REAL head of the snake.....

17) Let the savages shoot their Kalashnikov's and rape their wives in celebtration of their divine "victory". It only further highlights the difference between THEM and US: IDF despite mission success, deeply regrets ANY civilian deaths, Israeli or Palestinian-- while Hamas went out of their way to make sure their HUMAN SHIELD babies were killed and then paraded them in front of TV cameras. Sick, sick, sick.

18) Bibi can also concentrate on dealing with Abbas's (I am sure Obama-orchestrated) UN upgrade folly.


Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!

Oooops.
 Quoting: Ashton's Succelent Volvo 3199014


Not sure I agree with all of that - but Mother of God that was a solid defense of Bibi's actions.
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no shit. were those anti-chabad jibes i detected, though, ashton? hope they haven't been bothering you trying to get you to lay tefillin while you protest that you're only half-jewish.
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Not at all.

My only frustration was with the Chabad lady who didn't build a safe room ahead of time; who disobeyed IDF warning to stay away from windows especially once a siron goes off; and who instead go into the stairwell where they would be protected -----> not only did the parents died, but they endangered their little children, who thankfully survived but will now grow up without a parent.

Israelis were also routeinly ignoring warnings to NOT stand under Iron Dome intercepts and gawk at it like it's fireworks

Look, I understand the crazy Israelis. In fact, as someone who's a very mercurial person -- before I fell in love with performance arts, I was big into (Mixed) martial arts and other athletics as a kid.... Hell, some people still will tell you I am crazy and stubborn.

But even I know that war is war is war. Missile barrages are nothing to play around with.

That's my point. Sorry for bad spelling in the above post, I am always in a hurry, I tried to edit it.
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different view here finally


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OK, time for operation Rooster Recovery! lol
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Rooster's don't usually crow at 2:15 AM do they????
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I've owned plenty of chickens.

And yeah, the fuckers don't really care.

Its hard as hell to drown out the sounds of their crowing when you sleep.

Also all it takes is one to crow and they will start a crowing competition...

My neighbor is half a mile away... his rooster and my two roosters got into a crowing contest that last 2 days...
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


I had a nutty rooster. That old fart would crow at anytime he fancied...
 Quoting: Junie


Haha, that's right rooster crowing LIKE.A.BOSS.

Come to think of it, there ain't that much difference between your average rooster and your average Jihadi.

Once one Jihadi from one clan/tribe starts to steal, destroy, rape and murder... then they all join in, trying to ONE-UP one another --- all vying for Prophet Mohammad's good graces.


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Blurb on CNNi just stated that the UN Security Counsel was meeting to discuss the failure of Gaza to abide by the Cease Fire due to 26 rockets fired after the 9pm deadline.

Cheers!
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I am gonna need extra coffee tonight. Too quite. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: reaperz73


Yeah I'm gonna do the same.

I'm gonna start cooking at about 3am

so my schedule will be this...

GLP
prepping Turkey
GLP
Baking Turkey
GLP
Stuffing
GLP
Make Pie
GLP
Bake Pie
GLP
Make Banana Pudding
GLP
Bake this
GLP
Cook That
GLP
Too tired to eat when its done

lol

GLP

then leave for another dinner with family at about 2pm

GLP
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Awesome!!
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Some dirt poor old man who owns that rooster and shares his living room with it has no idea his bird is an international hero.

Wish there was some way to contact him.
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Blurb on CNNi just stated that the UN Security Counsel was meeting to discuss the failure of Gaza to abide by the Cease Fire due to 26 rockets fired after the 9pm deadline.

Cheers!
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This. Just heard about this, but couldn't find any link.
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Some dirt poor old man who owns that rooster and shares his living room with it has no idea his bird is an international hero.

Wish there was some way to contact him.
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Jets just now on Reuters Live
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Rooster's don't usually crow at 2:15 AM do they????
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I've owned plenty of chickens.

And yeah, the fuckers don't really care.

Its hard as hell to drown out the sounds of their crowing when you sleep.

Also all it takes is one to crow and they will start a crowing competition...

My neighbor is half a mile away... his rooster and my two roosters got into a crowing contest that last 2 days...
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


I had a nutty rooster. That old fart would crow at anytime he fancied...
 Quoting: Junie


Haha, that's right rooster crowing LIKE.A.BOSS.

Come to think of it, there ain't that much difference between your average rooster and your average Jihadi.

Once one Jihadi from one clan/tribe starts to steal, destroy, rape and murder... then they all join in, trying to ONE-UP one another --- all vying for Prophet Mohammad's good graces.


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yes there is the roosters brain is bigger
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Jets just now on Reuters Live
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It's a "ceasefire" not a "ceaseflyer" ;)
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This thread has really slowed down.
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Some dirt poor old man who owns that rooster and shares his living room with it has no idea his bird is an international hero.

Wish there was some way to contact him.
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apparently Gaza Rooster has been around since 2009.
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17) Let the savages shoot their Kalashnikov's and rape their wives in celebtration of their divine "victory". It only further highlights the difference between THEM and US: IDF despite mission success, deeply regrets ANY civilian deaths, Israeli or Palestinian-- while Hamas went out of their way to make sure their HUMAN SHIELD babies were killed and then paraded them in front of TV cameras. Sick, sick, sick.

18) Bibi can also concentrate on dealing with Abbas's (I am sure Obama-orchestrated) UN upgrade folly.


Um... again... just as Saddam promised the Mother of all Battles.... the Hamas "Gates of Hell" was a big FAIL!!!

Oooops.


Not sure I agree with all of that - but Mother of God that was a solid defense of Bibi's actions.


no shit. were those anti-chabad jibes i detected, though, ashton? hope they haven't been bothering you trying to get you to lay tefillin while you protest that you're only half-jewish.


Not at all.

My only frustration was with the Chabad lady who didn't build a safe room ahead of time; who disobeyed IDF warning to stay away from windows especially once a siron goes off; and who instead go into the stairwell where they would be protected -----> not only did the parents died, but they endangered their little children, who thankfully survived but will now grow up without a parent.

Israelis were also routeinly ignoring warnings to NOT stand under Iron Dome intercepts and gawk at it like it's fireworks

Look, I understand the crazy Israelis. In fact, as someone who's a very mercurial person -- before I fell in love with performance arts, I was big into (Mixed) martial arts and other athletics as a kid.... Hell, some people still will tell you I am crazy and stubborn.

But even I know that war is war is war. Missile barrages are nothing to play around with.

That's my point. Sorry for bad spelling in the above post, I am always in a hurry, I tried to edit it.


glad to hear it.
my mom is from the east end of london -- during the blitz people became quite cavalier about their own personal safety and more than a few died because of it. my point? it's not "crazy israelis": people are just stupid.
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Just blew it out on RT
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apparently Gaza Rooster has been around since 2009.
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lol

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apparently Gaza Rooster has been around since 2009.
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A truly hero
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Ashton: martial arts, eh? just came from the dojo where we're learning karate as a family -- bet you'd laugh your guts out at us.

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