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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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New details emerging:

Ground invasion order was canceled twice at the last minute

On Monday night (Tues morning US time) Nachal soldiers received orders to move towards Gaza, opened the border gates, but at the last moment the action was delayed. (Thanks Hilary)

In fact at least twice the IDF was about to enter Gaza, the units received their orders, and then the order changed.

(rough translation from Maariv)

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


What could of Obama said to BiBi to prompt this decision !

I knew that Hussein didn't have Israel's best interest at heart despite his apparent open support for Israel's security !
 Quoting: subzero86


Yep, I read that earlier, early on in this thread that someone felt Obama was changing his support more favorably towards Israel. I didn't comment on the time, but did not buy into it at all. I don't trust him or the Clinton(s).
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Bus bombing changed everything, and Hamas still claims they have captured a pilot...Bibi did not want to lose elections because of dead Israelis in TelAviv...so he made truce...until after elections...then DOOM!
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New details emerging:

Ground invasion order was canceled twice at the last minute

On Monday night (Tues morning US time) Nachal soldiers received orders to move towards Gaza, opened the border gates, but at the last moment the action was delayed. (Thanks Hilary)

In fact at least twice the IDF was about to enter Gaza, the units received their orders, and then the order changed.

(rough translation from Maariv)

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


What could of Obama said to BiBi to prompt this decision !

I knew that Hussein didn't have Israel's best interest at heart despite his apparent open support for Israel's security !
 Quoting: subzero86




Obamma is the man! Obviously he knows whats right in the name of world peace.
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After Bedouin camp guards were killed earlier by Egyptian forces, shooters opened fire on UN peacekeeping forces along the Sinai border. Conflicting reports over injuries.

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Tarfon can you give us your perspective on what happened yesterday, please !?

What could of possible convinced BiBi to do this, knowing full well it's political suicide for him and also that is just a matter of time before Israel will be under rocket fire again !
 Quoting: subzero86


Three possibilities:

1) The Israeli government is infiltrated by US interests aligned with the Muslim brotherhood who want to create the illusion of peace with Egypt, leading to the end of Israel as we know it and the greater caliphate in the Middle East. Israel is a testing ground for Iron Dome for US interests.

2) Bibi feels safe with the right but not with the left, so a ceasefire strengthens him politically, and a ground war is delayed until after the Israeli elections. Still seems risky with 70% of Israelis against a ceasefire and less than two months until elections.

3) It's only a matter of time before Iran/Hezbollah intervenes, and perhaps Israeli intelligence knows this, and prefers not to get entrapped in Gaza and instead keep its eyes facing north. Perhaps it accomplished enough technically at this stage.
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New details emerging:

Ground invasion order was canceled twice at the last minute

On Monday night (Tues morning US time) Nachal soldiers received orders to move towards Gaza, opened the border gates, but at the last moment the action was delayed. (Thanks Hilary)

In fact at least twice the IDF was about to enter Gaza, the units received their orders, and then the order changed.

(rough translation from Maariv)

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


What could of Obama said to BiBi to prompt this decision !

I knew that Hussein didn't have Israel's best interest at heart despite his apparent open support for Israel's security !
 Quoting: subzero86




Obamma is the man! Obviously he knows whats right in the name of world peace.
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Obamma is the man! Obviously he knows whats right in the name of world peace.
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Oh yeah I'm sure this will bring peace ! Hamas just needs a break to rearm and resupply and the fireworks will start all over again !

Giving Hamas this opportunity is a grave mistake, even if a ground invasion will be ordered in the future when Hamas starts firing again...it won't have the same effect as it would of had now and more IDF soldiers will become casualties.

Hamas was in disarray, its top leaders killed, its arsenal crippled, it was the perfect time to strike a decisive blow, now they will regroup and resupply and when Israel actually decides to do in, it will be twice as hard to flush them out...all this thanks to Hussein ! grumpy2
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New details emerging:

Ground invasion order was canceled twice at the last minute

On Monday night (Tues morning US time) Nachal soldiers received orders to move towards Gaza, opened the border gates, but at the last moment the action was delayed. (Thanks Hilary)

In fact at least twice the IDF was about to enter Gaza, the units received their orders, and then the order changed.

(rough translation from Maariv)

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Hillary/Obama have their trust in Morsi.........

Grab the popcorn.
 Quoting: MisterHouston


relieved that egypt is now responsible for israel's security!
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It was not only truce or ceasefire, but Hamas got what it wanted for several years...opening of borders and free movment for the people....

That what ship to Gaza was about (remember Mavi Marmara?) so BiBi must be either REALLY smart or REALLY scared...because like it or not Hamas got what it wanted...

4-5 killed Hamas leaders is nothing for them as they have hundreds of leaders that can replace....
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New details emerging:

Ground invasion order was canceled twice at the last minute

On Monday night (Tues morning US time) Nachal soldiers received orders to move towards Gaza, opened the border gates, but at the last moment the action was delayed. (Thanks Hilary)

In fact at least twice the IDF was about to enter Gaza, the units received their orders, and then the order changed.

(rough translation from Maariv)

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


What could of Obama said to BiBi to prompt this decision !

I knew that Hussein didn't have Israel's best interest at heart despite his apparent open support for Israel's security !
 Quoting: subzero86


Yep, I read that earlier, early on in this thread that someone felt Obama was changing his support more favorably towards Israel. I didn't comment on the time, but did not buy into it at all. I don't trust him or the Clinton(s).
 Quoting: MisterHouston


Yep, Obama's nice talk about Israel comes at a high price
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Three possibilities:

1) The Israeli government is infiltrated by US interests aligned with the Muslim brotherhood who want to create the illusion of peace with Egypt, leading to the end of Israel as we know it and the greater caliphate in the Middle East. Israel is a testing ground for Iron Dome for US interests.

2) Bibi feels safe with the right but not with the left, so a ceasefire strengthens him politically, and a ground war is delayed until after the Israeli elections. Still seems risky with 70% of Israelis against a ceasefire and less than two months until elections.

3) It's only a matter of time before Iran/Hezbollah intervenes, and perhaps Israeli intelligence knows this, and prefers not to get entrapped in Gaza and instead keep its eyes facing north. Perhaps it accomplished enough technically at this stage.
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Thank you for your insight Tarfon !

Reading number 1 on your list gives me the creeps, I pray to God that is not the case.

I'm hoping it's number 3 on the list, it's the most plausible !
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It was not only truce or ceasefire, but Hamas got what it wanted for several years...opening of borders and free movment for the people....

That what ship to Gaza was about (remember Mavi Marmara?) so BiBi must be either REALLY smart or REALLY scared...because like it or not Hamas got what it wanted...

4-5 killed Hamas leaders is nothing for them as they have hundreds of leaders that can replace....
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That's what makes no sense at all and means there is a LOT we do not know.. why would an operation that Israel initiated lead to ceasefire terms she has never come close to accepting in the past? Sure glad there are no signatures anywhere on this "agreement".
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After Bedouin camp guards were killed earlier by Egyptian forces, shooters opened fire on UN peacekeeping forces along the Sinai border. Conflicting reports over injuries.

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Tarfon can you give us your perspective on what happened yesterday, please !?

What could of possible convinced BiBi to do this, knowing full well it's political suicide for him and also that is just a matter of time before Israel will be under rocket fire again !
 Quoting: subzero86


Three possibilities:

1) The Israeli government is infiltrated by US interests aligned with the Muslim brotherhood who want to create the illusion of peace with Egypt, leading to the end of Israel as we know it and the greater caliphate in the Middle East. Israel is a testing ground for Iron Dome for US interests.

2) Bibi feels safe with the right but not with the left, so a ceasefire strengthens him politically, and a ground war is delayed until after the Israeli elections. Still seems risky with 70% of Israelis against a ceasefire and less than two months until elections.

3) It's only a matter of time before Iran/Hezbollah intervenes, and perhaps Israeli intelligence knows this, and prefers not to get entrapped in Gaza and instead keep its eyes facing north. Perhaps it accomplished enough technically at this stage.
 Quoting: tarfonwxx



Sounds like three sound, plausible possibilities.
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Obamma is the man! Obviously he knows whats right in the name of world peace.
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Oh yeah I'm sure this will bring peace ! Hamas just needs a break to rearm and resupply and the fireworks will start all over again !

Giving Hamas this opportunity is a grave mistake, even if a ground invasion will be ordered in the future when Hamas starts firing again...it won't have the same effect as it would of had now and more IDF soldiers will become casualties.

Hamas was in disarray, its top leaders killed, its arsenal crippled, it was the perfect time to strike a decisive blow, now they will regroup and resupply and when Israel actually decides to do in, it will be twice as hard to flush them out...all this thanks to Hussein ! grumpy2
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
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Obamma is the man! Obviously he knows whats right in the name of world peace.
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Oh yeah I'm sure this will bring peace ! Hamas just needs a break to rearm and resupply and the fireworks will start all over again !

Giving Hamas this opportunity is a grave mistake, even if a ground invasion will be ordered in the future when Hamas starts firing again...it won't have the same effect as it would of had now and more IDF soldiers will become casualties.

Hamas was in disarray, its top leaders killed, its arsenal crippled, it was the perfect time to strike a decisive blow, now they will regroup and resupply and when Israel actually decides to do in, it will be twice as hard to flush them out...all this thanks to Hussein ! grumpy2
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True, but this peace lull will shut Hillary/Obama up once it fells.....however, what will it cost them in battlefield position or flushing them out(?)....is a fair question/concern.
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Thread: BREAKING: "Ceasefire" - DAY 1: Updates in Israel/Gaza

First report: Two rockets from Lebanon fired into Israel. Intercepts.

from rotter
 Quoting: boku82


Waiting on better source boku82, to see if this is confirmed !
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LOL, good luck with that!
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
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Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
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New details emerging:

Ground invasion order was canceled twice at the last minute

On Monday night (Tues morning US time) Nachal soldiers received orders to move towards Gaza, opened the border gates, but at the last moment the action was delayed. (Thanks Hilary)

In fact at least twice the IDF was about to enter Gaza, the units received their orders, and then the order changed.

(rough translation from Maariv)

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Hillary/Obama have their trust in Morsi.........

Grab the popcorn.
 Quoting: MisterHouston


relieved that egypt is now responsible for israel's security!

 Quoting: tarfonwxx



For Morsi's first stage show, he has really set himself up as a diplomatic guarantor against Hamas. When the truce fails, will this give Bibi what he needs to move ahead and get the Obama/Hillary-caliphate off his back?
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True, but this peace lull will shut Hillary/Obama up once it fells.....however, what will it cost them in battlefield position or flushing them out(?)....is a fair question/concern.
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IDF soldiers lives that will be the cost !
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
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Thread: BREAKING: "Ceasefire" - DAY 1: Updates in Israel/Gaza

First report: Two rockets from Lebanon fired into Israel. Intercepts.

from rotter
 Quoting: boku82


Waiting on better source boku82, to see if this is confirmed !
 Quoting: subzero86


LOL, good luck with that!
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norespect
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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lol

its pretty nice to be this secluded.

I tried to live in an apartment once...

then a house in a nice lil urban zone...

nope, couldnt do it lol

i gotta be able to stretch my legs



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Did you get a good deal on it at Cosco?
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True, but this peace lull will shut Hillary/Obama up once it fells.....however, what will it cost them in battlefield position or flushing them out(?)....is a fair question/concern.
 Quoting: MisterHouston


IDF soldiers lives that will be the cost !
 Quoting: subzero86



Yes, as always it is, when political decisions are made.
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[link to reuters.livestation.com]

is back up. There's lots of traffic below on the street and someone sounds like they are speaking over a loudspeaker (doesn't sound like prayer).
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Barak: If the ceasefire fails, we will know what to do
Barak further explained that should we need to proceed with a ground invasion in the future, it is advisable to do so with broad international support. (Kol Yisrael radio)

Sounds a lot like Obama, frankly, this new idea that you only do a war when you have the world behind you.

Why Israel might hesitate to start a ground invasion

"Higher Palestinian casualties could lead to an erosion of international support for Israel's right to defend itself from the Hamas rocket attacks," according to Haim Malka, a senior fellow at Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu is hesitant for a ground operation because of the political liability and the risks that such an operation carries for Israel," Malka said.

Palestinian health officials said 104 people have died and another 860 have been wounded in Gaza since Israel began its offensive in response to what it characterized as incessant rocket attacks by militants. Israeli officials say three people have died and 68 have been wounded in Israel as the result of rocket fire from Gaza.

Public opinion polls in Israel also appeared reluctant to deeper military involvement.

According to the Jerusalem Post, Israelis expressed strong backing for the ongoing military air operation, but were hesitant to add a ground offensive. The paper reported on Monday that 85% of Israelis believed in starting the military operation.

When asked how the government should proceed, 45% of the survey respondents favored continuing air strikes while 25% recommended a ground offensive. Some 22% said Israel should seek a cease fire.

The intention of the air assault is to weaken or destroy the capability of Hamas to launch rockets into Israel, according to an Israeli official.

Militants in Gaza have fired nearly 1,000 rockets at Israel since the conflict began, the Israel Defense Forces said Monday. Israel has targeted more than 1,300 sites in its bombing campaign, according to the IDF.

U.S. sends warships near Israel in case of evacuation needed

Ambassador Oren said at the current rate of activity military action could last 45 days to 100 days. He said Hamas has 10,000 to 11,000 rockets left, but would not say how many Israel has destroyed, though Israel has fired just over 1,100.

When asked by reporters what Israel wanted from Hamas Oren said, “Guarantees against the return to the status quo.”

Negotiations in Egypt to try to halt to the fighting have yet to yield a breakthrough. There was a 50-50 chance the mission would be expanded to a ground invasion, one government official told Israel's Haaretz newspaper.

In an interview on Israeli television, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Monday no option had been ruled out, but at this stage "everything depends on the action of Hamas."

Former Israeli General Dan Harel said Israel is running out of targets that are away from population centers while Hamas leaders and other targeted individuals have now gone underground or are in mosques or among the civilian population.

"These are targets Israel will not strike because it is morally wrong," Harel said.

If that is indeed Israel's position, it also lessens the chance of a ground invasion that would no doubt target the locations of Hamas leaders and weapons in sensitive areas.

[link to security.blogs.cnn.com]
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Waiting on better source boku82, to see if this is confirmed !
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LOL, good luck with that!
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norespect
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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The Lebanese army disabled a rocket on Thursday which was primed to be fired into northern Israel and said two others were launched late on Wednesday but fell short of the border.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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LOL, good luck with that!
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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The Lebanese army disabled a rocket on Thursday which was primed to be fired into northern Israel and said two others were launched late on Wednesday but fell short of the border.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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Is there anyother source confiring that other than the ynetnews?
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For Morsi's first stage show, he has really set himself up as a diplomatic guarantor against Hamas. When the truce fails, will this give Bibi what he needs to move ahead and get the Obama/Hillary-caliphate off his back?
 Quoting: MisterHouston


that was my first thought, when I heard Egypt is now responsible for Hamas.. does that mean Israel can have a go at Egypt when SHTF?

ohyeah
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
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Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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The Lebanese army disabled a rocket on Thursday which was primed to be fired into northern Israel and said two others were launched late on Wednesday but fell short of the border.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Is there anyother source confiring that other than the ynetnews?
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[link to www.naharnet.com]

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Iranian president welcomes the ceasefire on Pakistani TV


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