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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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Thread: BREAKING: "Ceasefire" - DAY 1: Updates in Israel/Gaza

First report: Two rockets from Lebanon fired into Israel. Intercepts.

from rotter
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Waiting on better source boku82, to see if this is confirmed !
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LOL, good luck with that!
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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lol

its pretty nice to be this secluded.

I tried to live in an apartment once...

then a house in a nice lil urban zone...

nope, couldnt do it lol

i gotta be able to stretch my legs



Plus, the "coffin" is nice and safe. tounge


Yeah, I bet a good coffin really makes the place for you!

Did you get a good deal on it at Cosco?
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True, but this peace lull will shut Hillary/Obama up once it fells.....however, what will it cost them in battlefield position or flushing them out(?)....is a fair question/concern.
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IDF soldiers lives that will be the cost !
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Yes, as always it is, when political decisions are made.
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[link to reuters.livestation.com]

is back up. There's lots of traffic below on the street and someone sounds like they are speaking over a loudspeaker (doesn't sound like prayer).
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Barak: If the ceasefire fails, we will know what to do
Barak further explained that should we need to proceed with a ground invasion in the future, it is advisable to do so with broad international support. (Kol Yisrael radio)

Sounds a lot like Obama, frankly, this new idea that you only do a war when you have the world behind you.

Why Israel might hesitate to start a ground invasion

"Higher Palestinian casualties could lead to an erosion of international support for Israel's right to defend itself from the Hamas rocket attacks," according to Haim Malka, a senior fellow at Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu is hesitant for a ground operation because of the political liability and the risks that such an operation carries for Israel," Malka said.

Palestinian health officials said 104 people have died and another 860 have been wounded in Gaza since Israel began its offensive in response to what it characterized as incessant rocket attacks by militants. Israeli officials say three people have died and 68 have been wounded in Israel as the result of rocket fire from Gaza.

Public opinion polls in Israel also appeared reluctant to deeper military involvement.

According to the Jerusalem Post, Israelis expressed strong backing for the ongoing military air operation, but were hesitant to add a ground offensive. The paper reported on Monday that 85% of Israelis believed in starting the military operation.

When asked how the government should proceed, 45% of the survey respondents favored continuing air strikes while 25% recommended a ground offensive. Some 22% said Israel should seek a cease fire.

The intention of the air assault is to weaken or destroy the capability of Hamas to launch rockets into Israel, according to an Israeli official.

Militants in Gaza have fired nearly 1,000 rockets at Israel since the conflict began, the Israel Defense Forces said Monday. Israel has targeted more than 1,300 sites in its bombing campaign, according to the IDF.

U.S. sends warships near Israel in case of evacuation needed

Ambassador Oren said at the current rate of activity military action could last 45 days to 100 days. He said Hamas has 10,000 to 11,000 rockets left, but would not say how many Israel has destroyed, though Israel has fired just over 1,100.

When asked by reporters what Israel wanted from Hamas Oren said, “Guarantees against the return to the status quo.”

Negotiations in Egypt to try to halt to the fighting have yet to yield a breakthrough. There was a 50-50 chance the mission would be expanded to a ground invasion, one government official told Israel's Haaretz newspaper.

In an interview on Israeli television, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Monday no option had been ruled out, but at this stage "everything depends on the action of Hamas."

Former Israeli General Dan Harel said Israel is running out of targets that are away from population centers while Hamas leaders and other targeted individuals have now gone underground or are in mosques or among the civilian population.

"These are targets Israel will not strike because it is morally wrong," Harel said.

If that is indeed Israel's position, it also lessens the chance of a ground invasion that would no doubt target the locations of Hamas leaders and weapons in sensitive areas.

[link to security.blogs.cnn.com]
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Waiting on better source boku82, to see if this is confirmed !
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LOL, good luck with that!
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norespect
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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The Lebanese army disabled a rocket on Thursday which was primed to be fired into northern Israel and said two others were launched late on Wednesday but fell short of the border.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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LOL, good luck with that!
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norespect
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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The Lebanese army disabled a rocket on Thursday which was primed to be fired into northern Israel and said two others were launched late on Wednesday but fell short of the border.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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Is there anyother source confiring that other than the ynetnews?
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For Morsi's first stage show, he has really set himself up as a diplomatic guarantor against Hamas. When the truce fails, will this give Bibi what he needs to move ahead and get the Obama/Hillary-caliphate off his back?
 Quoting: MisterHouston


that was my first thought, when I heard Egypt is now responsible for Hamas.. does that mean Israel can have a go at Egypt when SHTF?

ohyeah
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
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Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
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Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
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norespect
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Hahaha.....Obviously it's bullshit.
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The Lebanese army disabled a rocket on Thursday which was primed to be fired into northern Israel and said two others were launched late on Wednesday but fell short of the border.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Is there anyother source confiring that other than the ynetnews?
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[link to www.naharnet.com]

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Iranian president welcomes the ceasefire on Pakistani TV
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



Sure why not?
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Barak: If the ceasefire fails, we will know what to do
Barak further explained that should we need to proceed with a ground invasion in the future, it is advisable to do so with broad international support. (Kol Yisrael radio)

Sounds a lot like Obama, frankly, this new idea that you only do a war when you have the world behind you.

Why Israel might hesitate to start a ground invasion

"Higher Palestinian casualties could lead to an erosion of international support for Israel's right to defend itself from the Hamas rocket attacks," according to Haim Malka, a senior fellow at Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu is hesitant for a ground operation because of the political liability and the risks that such an operation carries for Israel," Malka said.

Palestinian health officials said 104 people have died and another 860 have been wounded in Gaza since Israel began its offensive in response to what it characterized as incessant rocket attacks by militants. Israeli officials say three people have died and 68 have been wounded in Israel as the result of rocket fire from Gaza.

Public opinion polls in Israel also appeared reluctant to deeper military involvement.

According to the Jerusalem Post, Israelis expressed strong backing for the ongoing military air operation, but were hesitant to add a ground offensive. The paper reported on Monday that 85% of Israelis believed in starting the military operation.

When asked how the government should proceed, 45% of the survey respondents favored continuing air strikes while 25% recommended a ground offensive. Some 22% said Israel should seek a cease fire.

The intention of the air assault is to weaken or destroy the capability of Hamas to launch rockets into Israel, according to an Israeli official.

Militants in Gaza have fired nearly 1,000 rockets at Israel since the conflict began, the Israel Defense Forces said Monday. Israel has targeted more than 1,300 sites in its bombing campaign, according to the IDF.

U.S. sends warships near Israel in case of evacuation needed

Ambassador Oren said at the current rate of activity military action could last 45 days to 100 days. He said Hamas has 10,000 to 11,000 rockets left, but would not say how many Israel has destroyed, though Israel has fired just over 1,100.

When asked by reporters what Israel wanted from Hamas Oren said, “Guarantees against the return to the status quo.”

Negotiations in Egypt to try to halt to the fighting have yet to yield a breakthrough. There was a 50-50 chance the mission would be expanded to a ground invasion, one government official told Israel's Haaretz newspaper.

In an interview on Israeli television, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Monday no option had been ruled out, but at this stage "everything depends on the action of Hamas."

Former Israeli General Dan Harel said Israel is running out of targets that are away from population centers while Hamas leaders and other targeted individuals have now gone underground or are in mosques or among the civilian population.

"These are targets Israel will not strike because it is morally wrong," Harel said.

If that is indeed Israel's position, it also lessens the chance of a ground invasion that would no doubt target the locations of Hamas leaders and weapons in sensitive areas.

[link to security.blogs.cnn.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx



Ummm, another perspective noted; since Hamas has went underground....wait a few and wait for them to expose themselves again.....with Morsi on the hook also.
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For Morsi's first stage show, he has really set himself up as a diplomatic guarantor against Hamas. When the truce fails, will this give Bibi what he needs to move ahead and get the Obama/Hillary-caliphate off his back?
 Quoting: MisterHouston


that was my first thought, when I heard Egypt is now responsible for Hamas.. does that mean Israel can have a go at Egypt when SHTF?

ohyeah
 Quoting: tarfonwxx



I wouldn't....unless Egypt gets involved. I just feel Morsi has placed himself in a bad position....he will have to watch Hamas and at the same time watch his local (radical) Muslim Brotherhood. The old-boy is in a bad position in IMHO.
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Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



Sure why not?
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You're completely out of touch with reality. Which is why you can't see the obvious.
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Anyone know what exactly Reuters is showing?
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just a bunch of yellow flags
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You have short term memory Sub. Isreal started all this by killing someone who had plans for peace. Why would Hamas start trouble again when Hamas knows that Egypt would be held accountable for it to Isreal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Israel killed Hamas' leader because they've already been under a heavy barrage of rockets for weeks !

If Hamas learned to accept Israel's existence and not fire rockets at it...Israel couldn't care less about Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Yes, we need to get to a final solution.

But just a comment; I believe the entire Arab-world military complex and abilities in it self is very, very fragile and is the ultimate paper-tiger.
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lol

its pretty nice to be this secluded.

I tried to live in an apartment once...

then a house in a nice lil urban zone...

nope, couldnt do it lol

i gotta be able to stretch my legs
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Plus, the "coffin" is nice and safe. tounge


Yeah, I bet a good coffin really makes the place for you!

Did you get a good deal on it at Cosco?



Always gotta keep that coffin safe! lol

I got it at Countsco

Its lil different from the warm blood's store

tounge

lol

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Anyone know what exactly Reuters is showing?
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Victory demonstration in Gaza

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Victory demonstration in Gaza
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Thanks
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lol

its pretty nice to be this secluded.

I tried to live in an apartment once...

then a house in a nice lil urban zone...

nope, couldnt do it lol

i gotta be able to stretch my legs
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Plus, the "coffin" is nice and safe. tounge
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Yeah, I bet a good coffin really makes the place for you!

Did you get a good deal on it at Cosco?



Always gotta keep that coffin safe! lol

I got it at Countsco

Its lil different from the warm blood's store

tounge

lol


So do your roosters guard th place well?
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The irony in your post is amazing becasue if Israel didn't care about Gaza, it would leave it alone already. The only reason Hamas lobs rockets at Israel is to defend itself from IDF violence on the borders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28255783


Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



Sure why not?
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You're completely out of touch with reality. Which is why you can't see the obvious.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


WTF would Hammas start some shit if Egypt would be held responsibe to Isreal. Morsi put his balls on the line here and the last thing Egypt wants is a regional war.. Stop drinking the MSM koolaid man
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This looks sooo different then the pics of the starving children over there!
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For Morsi's first stage show, he has really set himself up as a diplomatic guarantor against Hamas. When the truce fails, will this give Bibi what he needs to move ahead and get the Obama/Hillary-caliphate off his back?
 Quoting: MisterHouston


that was my first thought, when I heard Egypt is now responsible for Hamas.. does that mean Israel can have a go at Egypt when SHTF?

ohyeah
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


I wouldn't....unless Egypt gets involved. I just feel Morsi has placed himself in a bad position....he will have to watch Hamas and at the same time watch his local (radical) Muslim Brotherhood. The old-boy is in a bad position in IMHO.
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My take is that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood has been a strategy for Gaza since Day 1. These movements do not know boundaries, for them, their cause is on the front lines in Gaza. The only way out for Hamas since 2006 was to work with their parent movement across the border towards regime change in Egypt.

This is what STRATFOR wrote back in '07, way before Tahrir Square:

Hamas’ long-term strategy — indeed, the only hope of the Palestinians who not prepared to accept a compromise with Israel — is for Egypt to change its tune toward Israel, which could very well involve energizing Islamist forces in Egypt and bringing about the fall of the Mubarak regime. That is the key to any solution for Hamas....

If an Islamist rising occurred in Egypt and a regime was installed that could energize the Egyptian public against Israel, then that would reflect a strategic threat to the survival of the Israeli state....

[W]ith or without the West Bank, Hamas has the potential — not the certainty, just the potential — to reach west along the Mediterranean coast and influence events in Egypt. And that is the key for Hamas.

(Friedman, 'The Geopolitics of the Palestinians', STRATFOR, June 19, 2007)
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Whatever man. Who really cares anyway. This thing needs to go to a final solution. You think Hamas is up for the challenge? Lol.
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Sure why not?
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You're completely out of touch with reality. Which is why you can't see the obvious.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


WTF would Hammas start some shit if Egypt would be held responsibe to Isreal. Morsi put his balls on the line here and the last thing Egypt wants is a regional war.. Stop drinking the MSM koolaid man
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Hello McFly gangup
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Sure why not?
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You're completely out of touch with reality. Which is why you can't see the obvious.


WTF would Hammas start some shit if Egypt would be held responsibe to Isreal. Morsi put his balls on the line here and the last thing Egypt wants is a regional war.. Stop drinking the MSM koolai
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Hello McFly gangup



Why do you always quote yourself? Just curious
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You're completely out of touch with reality. Which is why you can't see the obvious.
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WTF would Hammas start some shit if Egypt would be held responsibe to Isreal. Morsi put his balls on the line here and the last thing Egypt wants is a regional war.. Stop drinking the MSM koolaid man
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Hello McFly gangup
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Why do you always quote yourself? Just curious
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i'm trying to get this guy to reply.. I'm interested in what he thinks. Duh!!
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Arab Woman has attacked an Israel guard & has been arrested
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BREAKING....IDF soldier has attacked a Palistinian man.

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