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you need some pesticide?
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Lol..a flyswatter would do the trick
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Hey bud,

you are helping the troll derail a good thread...
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Guilty as charged. I won't do it anymore
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Far from over is right

The Pillar of Cloud operation is phase 1 of a bigger 12 month operation.

Israel knew exactly the trap they were setting when Hillary came and brokered peace with the Muslim Brotherhood. Strong recognition from Hillary and Obama set up what is happening in Egypt RIGHT NOW - today.

Now the seas are collapsing around Egypt - right after they thought they had a victory and it was safe to cross.


Several of us said this the day peace was brokered. There is a thread about it, as well.

Chaos is developing in Egypt. The truce between Gaza and Israel isn't staying peaceful. The Palestinians will be recognized at the U.N. on November 29th.

Israel has promised a SEVERE response to all of this.

This is unfolding fast and furious.

Now Russia is sending ships close to Gaza. America already has ships there. The stall over the last 48 hours is allowing more players on the field to take positions.

The walls are closing around Israel. The walls are closing around Egypt.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has called on unity from others in the Middle East for a strategic and coordinated attack on Israel. Asking Hamas to not attack them alone, but rather wait for a coordinated effort.

War is at hand. War is ongoing. The cease fire has led to more chaos.
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i green texted it on 21 november :

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The low could be related to the Egyptian riots. IMHO.

I won't say anymore about it in this thread -- kinda off topic. Just a thought.
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yea, might be so, self proclaiming dictator EVENT.

all in all, it is apparently still a little event compared to what is to come at the end of the month hiding
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Hey guys !

Nice to see this thread is still alive !
 Quoting: subzero86


It's still hanging on - seems it's now divided into two (2) camps:

1) Those continuing to monitor the activities of the region, with an understanding that this is still far from over

2) Trolling kids, but LJS is making a good pace at cleaning it up
 Quoting: ClydeX


Unfortunately that's the way this whole thread was during the events of operation "Pillar of Defense" !

The people that brought updates and the trolls !

There was an especially annoying one, an aussie AC who trolled for days without stopping...hope he's gone now that LJS is here !
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Hamas polices Gaza border after IDF fire kills man by fence.

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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
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If Palestine is recognized as a state at the UN and Morsi is impeached in Egypt...it's pretty much game over !

If the US doesn't veto the Palestinian bid I think it clearly shows which side Obummer is on and it's safe to say Israel will be on its own ! verysad
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You know what, I think I've had just about enough of this hand-wringing & whining.

1) Israel is full of Jews and Jews, especially Ashkenazi ones, are supposed to be awesome, smart and creative.

2) Israel, Mossad and Co. had to have known who and what Barry Hussenovich Soetoro The First was even before his election in 2008. And if by some mindboggling reason, they didn't do their homework THEN... then they absolutely should have known it by NOW.

3) And for all the Obama hostility to Israel, mostly of covert & sneaky variety as Obama is too smart to have confronted Israel publically --- for instance, why do you think Erdogan all of the sudden started to accuse Israel of being terrorist-state and sent provocative Flotilla? --- what with him being Obama's best chum.....why do you think suddenly Muslim Brotherhood is on the march, etc.

4) Well, for all the Obama's Anti-Israeli background & clever backstage manipulations.... and considering that Romney was supposed to be Bibi's good friend...... Mossad seems to have done absolutely NOTHING to sabotage Obama's re-election.

*Nothing on Benghazi-gate.
*Nothing on Obama's Chicago gay bath-house hijinks.
*Nothing on Obama's cocain using & possibly dealing.
*Nothing on that video tape that LA Times was allegedly suppressing back in 2008.
*Nothing on fake BC
*Nothing on Obama's muslim faith
*Nothing on Obama's college records, his alleged lies about being a foreign student, the dubious Saudi Arabia characters who bank-rolled his education....

Nothing. Mossad did nothing. It was all there. Obama barely won the re-election as it is, probably with George Soros vote-flipping in Spain; so unconvering even ONE of the aformentioned scandals, would have ruined Obama.

5) After dodging a UN bullet in 2011, Israel HAD to have known that the only reason it didn't work was because Obama & Abbas were saving the best for last --- that is, for AFTER Obama's November 2012 Elections. Netanyahu had ample time to prepare for that eventuality.

6) Actually, Israel and their supposed top-notch intelligence operators, International Law experts, and Propaganda meisters... should have been ALL preparing for this contingency/eventuality for years, nay for DECADES. With not just Plan A in place, but also plan B, C, D, E, F, well sorry I only know the alphabet until the letter F, but you get the idea

7) I already posited in my 18-point post a few days back, that in my opinion one of the biggest reasons Netanyuahu cut short the Operation "Amud Anan" was because of the Abu Mazen's impending UN Status-Upgrade application. Which in turn would allow PA to sue Israel for WAR CRIMES in Hage ----> not matter how inherently ridiculous & frivilous such charges may be, do NOT expect the (massively Saudi/Qatar-bribed) European "Progressives" to give Israel a fair chance.

8) It must be shown beyond reasonable doubt and using 21st century media tools that Paletine does NOT even begin to meet the necessary criteria for Statehood if only because:

a) One of the main conditions for being accepted into the family of nations is that the applying entity MUST be both economically self-sufficient and, even more importanly, be peaceful & peace-seeking. PA absolutely fails on both accounts. The terror, the terror incitement & vile teaching of children to hate & kill the Jews is rampant in "Palestine". Easily provable and demonstratable.

b) Both Hamas AND the secular PLO founding Charters clearly deny both Jewish rights & existence. Their leaders have echoed that sentiment over the years, both in Arabic and in English. Even the darling of the West, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, Mr. Moderate Himself... is nothing but a Holocaust-Denier, a bank-roller of the 1972 Munich Massacre. Hell, as recently as this year, he said that Jews have no history in Jerusalem! In Jerusalem!

c) Abbas doesn't even represent the Palestinian people becaue his Presidential term expired 3 years ago. And his has zero authority in Gaza.

d) Again, PA should be disqualified if only because its military wing Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is classified as a terrorist organization --- with history of dozens of bombings, shootings and other terror activity.

e) One of the main condition for Statehood is ability to uphold agreements & treaties over time. And a unilateral application to the UN is a gross violation of the Oslo Accords -- both in letter & spirit. And it's not as if Abbas has no peace partner --- in fact, Israel has been practically begging Abbas to come to the negotiation table for years. Likewise Israel is on record as having made sweeping concessions in 2000 with Ehud Barak and 2008 with Ehud Olemert. So the rejectionism & intransigence has clearly been the greater Palestinian strategy (especially with Obama pulling the strings behind the scenes)

f) San Remo, Balfour Declaration, the whole League of Nation decision on Jewish homeland being ENSHRINED into the Founding Charter of its successor, the UN. That guarantees Israel a much bigger territory. An undeniable fact that cannot be over-written by the UN General Assembly chockfull of banana-republics & dictators. Furthermore, even the UNSC Resolution 242 authored by Eugene Rostow stipilates that the final status of the territories can only be decided through BI-LATERAL agreement. See: the editorial Eugene Rostow wrote in which he basically upholds Israel's righrs, if not outright sides with Israel.

If nothing else, all these alleged Jewish & Israeli geniuses, experts and officials should try to exert much more pressure on the overtly hostile Abbas. For instance, might want to let Abbas know that he and his corrupt sons not only will be cut off financially, Israel will also no longer protect him from Hamas asssassination squads -- remember Hamas is on record as being AGAINST this state application because it, if only indirectly, recognizes the Jewish state, LOL.......

Might want to tell Obama that if he doesn't stop Abbas, that Jewish settlement blocks, most of Area C and the Jordan Valley will be annexed (the latter is all the more important especially now that Jordan is at risk falling into Muslim Brotherhood hands)

So knowing all **THAT**.... having all that potential leverage..... if a week from now Bibi, Barak and Lieberman & their cadre of advisers & diplomats STILL get caught with their pants down... then they have NOONE to blame but themselves.
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just wanted to say you are well knowledgeable cheers
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Just the basics, playa.

Let's see if Bibi is the Zionist he always claimed he was, or if he is just another Israeli sell-out coward in the mold of Shimon Pers, Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, Tsipi Livni, Shelley Yachimovich, Yossi Beilin, Ben-Ami, Ben-Eliezer, Shaul Mofaz, Yair Lapid, Zahava Gallion, et al.

Bibi, balls's on your court....Your Zionist father's and heroic brother's Ghosts are watching closely.
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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
 Quoting: reaperz73


It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
 Quoting: reaperz73


It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


This whole thing from the beginning has been to frame Iran. Why can't anybody see that?
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If the nasty little troll shows back up, just report his replies & one of the other mods will look into it.

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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
 Quoting: reaperz73


It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


ask yourself this sub, has he ever kept any promises with them or anyone else for that? Only promises he keeps are the ones he makes to the loonies like himself.
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Folks, I have to go for a while.

If the nasty little troll shows back up, just report his replies & one of the other mods will look into it.

As you all know, it is the same IP hopping little creep. Do not let him derail you -- just ignore him.

I will check in when I return to see if all is safe, sane & well for the genuine posters.

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:gthumbup:

Roger that LJS !
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Urgent meeting held by Egyptian Prime Minister with both ministers of defense and interior: Al Arabiya
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Let me guess, they are going to arrest Egyptian Supreme Court?

Deny the mututally agreed upon US troops to destroy smuggling tunnels on Gaza border?

Condemn Israel shooting the Gazans trying to break Israel's border?


LOL, just another espisode of the soap "As the Islamic World Turns (Upside-down)"
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Folks, I have to go for a while.

If the nasty little troll shows back up, just report his replies & one of the other mods will look into it.

As you all know, it is the same IP hopping little creep. Do not let him derail you -- just ignore him.

I will check in when I return to see if all is safe, sane & well for the genuine posters.

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Thanks LJS
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Hey guys !

Nice to see this thread is still alive !
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Hey Sub!

cheers
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ask yourself this sub, has he ever kept any promises with them or anyone else for that? Only promises he keeps are the ones he makes to the loonies like himself.
 Quoting: godzilla85


UNFORTUNATELY for Israel, you're right GZ85 ! But a part of me really wants to believe he will keep his promise ! I know it's probably just wishful thinking...

I really hope Obama won't forsaken Israel !
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Hey guys !

Nice to see this thread is still alive !
 Quoting: subzero86


Hey Sub!

cheers
 Quoting: Monk Meat


Hey Monk !

hi
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ask yourself this sub, has he ever kept any promises with them or anyone else for that? Only promises he keeps are the ones he makes to the loonies like himself.
 Quoting: godzilla85


UNFORTUNATELY for Israel, you're right GZ85 ! But a part of me really wants to believe he will keep his promise ! I know it's probably just wishful thinking...

I really hope Obama won't forsaken Israel !
 Quoting: subzero86


I don't share your optimism unfortunately.
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This thread is dead without the trolls. Just kidding LJS! =)
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The Palestinians will be recognized at the U.N. on November 29th.

Israel has promised a SEVERE response to all of this.
 Quoting: endoftimes101


that was certainly the most usefull info i read the last 300 pages hf

ok, so that is the doom coming, i wondered what would happen

[link to img15.hostingpics.net]

and sooo it begins damned
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ask yourself this sub, has he ever kept any promises with them or anyone else for that? Only promises he keeps are the ones he makes to the loonies like himself.
 Quoting: godzilla85


UNFORTUNATELY for Israel, you're right GZ85 ! But a part of me really wants to believe he will keep his promise ! I know it's probably just wishful thinking...

I really hope Obama won't forsaken Israel !
 Quoting: subzero86


I don't share your optimism unfortunately.
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Obama is the catalyst for the final mideast war. Obama is counting on Israel losing. We will see.
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Hamas polices Gaza border after IDF fire kills man by fence.

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 Quoting: subzero86


Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
 Quoting: reaperz73


It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


I know I don't trust him, so you can bet your last dollar that Bibi knows the score.

Most (at least most here now) know that this cease fire has been engineered to show Israel's restraint and willingness to negotiate, while at the same time create yet another opportunity for the world at large to see the aggression truly coming from the other side of the fence (literally).

Consider this as well; at this point in history, Israel knows full well it has been left on it's own - that writing has been chiseled onto the wall. With this understanding, don't discount the possibilities that again appeasing Washington (BO) will also ultimately reveal that even though Israel capitulates with the desires of Washington under the guise of more and more promises, Washington cannot be trusted from an Israeli standpoint any more than Hamas & Co.

As this comes to fruition, Israel will actually have a much more firm footing to do whatever they deem necessary to ensure their own safety and survival.

The attention span for many has been exceeded during this cease fire time frame. This is the by-product of a society so steeped with instant gratification, that if something isn't "right now", then it has either failed or the operation is over in entirety. This is far from the truth, and this time is being used for many preparations, both politically and logistically, on more than one front, while also crating an environment where true supporters of Israel (as Israel - not some concocted combined area) as well as their true enemies are all ultimately revealed.

This is the beginning of separating the wheat from the chaff.

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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
 Quoting: reaperz73


It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
 Quoting: subzero86


This whole thing from the beginning has been to frame Iran. Why can't anybody see that?
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"frame Iran"? Huh? Iran has admitted to financing Hamas as well as to sending arms & the technology to build long range rockets on site. "suckered them into admitting something they'd denied for years"? Sure. "framed"? Nah, not sure how anyone can see it that way.
Wake up & smell reality.
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The Palestinians will be recognized at the U.N. on November 29th.

Israel has promised a SEVERE response to all of this.
 Quoting: endoftimes101


that was certainly the most usefull info i read the last 300 pages hf

ok, so that is the doom coming, i wondered what would happen

[link to img15.hostingpics.net]

and sooo it begins damned
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CORRECT. But it will not be pretty for anybody. You think if Israel is pushed to extermination of their entire country that they wont nuke their neighbors? They would have to.
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The Palestinians will be recognized at the U.N. on November 29th.

Israel has promised a SEVERE response to all of this.
 Quoting: endoftimes101


that was certainly the most usefull info i read the last 300 pages hf

ok, so that is the doom coming, i wondered what would happen

[link to img15.hostingpics.net]

and sooo it begins damned
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CORRECT. But it will not be pretty for anybody. You think if Israel is pushed to extermination of their entire country that they wont nuke their neighbors? They would have to.
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Sadly, it won't be just "their neighbors".
Wake up & smell reality.
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If Palestine is recognized as a state at the UN and Morsi is impeached in Egypt...it's pretty much game over !

If the US doesn't veto the Palestinian bid I think it clearly shows which side Obummer is on and it's safe to say Israel will be on its own ! verysad
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You know what, I think I've had just about enough of this hand-wringing & whining.

1) Israel is full of Jews and Jews, especially Ashkenazi ones, are supposed to be awesome, smart and creative.

2) Israel, Mossad and Co. had to have known who and what Barry Hussenovich Soetoro The First was even before his election in 2008. And if by some mindboggling reason, they didn't do their homework THEN... then they absolutely should have known it by NOW.

3) And for all the Obama hostility to Israel, mostly of covert & sneaky variety as Obama is too smart to have confronted Israel publically --- for instance, why do you think Erdogan all of the sudden started to accuse Israel of being terrorist-state and sent provocative Flotilla? --- what with him being Obama's best chum.....why do you think suddenly Muslim Brotherhood is on the march, etc.

4) Well, for all the Obama's Anti-Israeli background & clever backstage manipulations.... and considering that Romney was supposed to be Bibi's good friend...... Mossad seems to have done absolutely NOTHING to sabotage Obama's re-election.

*Nothing on Benghazi-gate.
*Nothing on Obama's Chicago gay bath-house hijinks.
*Nothing on Obama's cocain using & possibly dealing.
*Nothing on that video tape that LA Times was allegedly suppressing back in 2008.
*Nothing on fake BC
*Nothing on Obama's muslim faith
*Nothing on Obama's college records, his alleged lies about being a foreign student, the dubious Saudi Arabia characters who bank-rolled his education....

Nothing. Mossad did nothing. It was all there. Obama barely won the re-election as it is, probably with George Soros vote-flipping in Spain; so unconvering even ONE of the aformentioned scandals, would have ruined Obama.

5) After dodging a UN bullet in 2011, Israel HAD to have known that the only reason it didn't work was because Obama & Abbas were saving the best for last --- that is, for AFTER Obama's November 2012 Elections. Netanyahu had ample time to prepare for that eventuality.

6) Actually, Israel and their supposed top-notch intelligence operators, International Law experts, and Propaganda meisters... should have been ALL preparing for this contingency/eventuality for years, nay for DECADES. With not just Plan A in place, but also plan B, C, D, E, F, well sorry I only know the alphabet until the letter F, but you get the idea

7) I already posited in my 18-point post a few days back, that in my opinion one of the biggest reasons Netanyuahu cut short the Operation "Amud Anan" was because of the Abu Mazen's impending UN Status-Upgrade application. Which in turn would allow PA to sue Israel for WAR CRIMES in Hage ----> not matter how inherently ridiculous & frivilous such charges may be, do NOT expect the (massively Saudi/Qatar-bribed) European "Progressives" to give Israel a fair chance.

8) It must be shown beyond reasonable doubt and using 21st century media tools that Paletine does NOT even begin to meet the necessary criteria for Statehood if only because:

a) One of the main conditions for being accepted into the family of nations is that the applying entity MUST be both economically self-sufficient and, even more importanly, be peaceful & peace-seeking. PA absolutely fails on both accounts. The terror, the terror incitement & vile teaching of children to hate & kill the Jews is rampant in "Palestine". Easily provable and demonstratable.

b) Both Hamas AND the secular PLO founding Charters clearly deny both Jewish rights & existence. Their leaders have echoed that sentiment over the years, both in Arabic and in English. Even the darling of the West, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, Mr. Moderate Himself... is nothing but a Holocaust-Denier, a bank-roller of the 1972 Munich Massacre. Hell, as recently as this year, he said that Jews have no history in Jerusalem! In Jerusalem!

c) Abbas doesn't even represent the Palestinian people becaue his Presidential term expired 3 years ago. And his has zero authority in Gaza.

d) Again, PA should be disqualified if only because its military wing Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is classified as a terrorist organization --- with history of dozens of bombings, shootings and other terror activity.

e) One of the main condition for Statehood is ability to uphold agreements & treaties over time. And a unilateral application to the UN is a gross violation of the Oslo Accords -- both in letter & spirit. And it's not as if Abbas has no peace partner --- in fact, Israel has been practically begging Abbas to come to the negotiation table for years. Likewise Israel is on record as having made sweeping concessions in 2000 with Ehud Barak and 2008 with Ehud Olemert. So the rejectionism & intransigence has clearly been the greater Palestinian strategy (especially with Obama pulling the strings behind the scenes)

f) San Remo, Balfour Declaration, the whole League of Nation decision on Jewish homeland being ENSHRINED into the Founding Charter of its successor, the UN. That guarantees Israel a much bigger territory. An undeniable fact that cannot be over-written by the UN General Assembly chockfull of banana-republics & dictators. Furthermore, even the UNSC Resolution 242 authored by Eugene Rostow stipilates that the final status of the territories can only be decided through BI-LATERAL agreement. See: the editorial Eugene Rostow wrote in which he basically upholds Israel's righrs, if not outright sides with Israel.

If nothing else, all these alleged Jewish & Israeli geniuses, experts and officials should try to exert much more pressure on the overtly hostile Abbas. For instance, might want to let Abbas know that he and his corrupt sons not only will be cut off financially, Israel will also no longer protect him from Hamas asssassination squads -- remember Hamas is on record as being AGAINST this state application because it, if only indirectly, recognizes the Jewish state, LOL.......

Might want to tell Obama that if he doesn't stop Abbas, that Jewish settlement blocks, most of Area C and the Jordan Valley will be annexed (the latter is all the more important especially now that Jordan is at risk falling into Muslim Brotherhood hands)

So knowing all **THAT**.... having all that potential leverage..... if a week from now Bibi, Barak and Lieberman & their cadre of advisers & diplomats STILL get caught with their pants down... then they have NOONE to blame but themselves.
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just wanted to say you are well knowledgeable cheers
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Just the basics, playa.

Let's see if Bibi is the Zionist he always claimed he was, or if he is just another Israeli sell-out coward in the mold of Shimon Peres, Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, Tsipi Livni, Shelley Yachimovich, Yossi Beilin, Ben-Ami, Ben-Eliezer, Shaul Mofaz, Yair Lapid, Zahava Gallion, et al.

Bibi, ball's on your court....Your Zionist father's and heroic brother's Ghosts are watching closely.

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For those who don't know November 29 apparently is special date to Arabs because of 1947.

They aleady have Nakba Day. They have similar-sounding but even more bizarra, Naksa Day. Then the various Day's of Rage. Day's of Resistance. Day's of Struttin'-like-a-Dandy-with-an-Orange-Beard (true story: coloring one's beard Orange is actually very fashionable in Gaza, plus quite a few Arabs have natural orange beards, as weird as it sounds)
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Hamas polices Gaza border after IDF fire kills man by fence.

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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
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It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
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I know I don't trust him, so you can bet your last dollar that Bibi knows the score.

Most (at least most here now) know that this cease fire has been engineered to show Israel's restraint and willingness to negotiate, while at the same time create yet another opportunity for the world at large to see the aggression truly coming from the other side of the fence (literally).

Consider this as well; at this point in history, Israel knows full well it has been left on it's own - that writing has been chiseled onto the wall. With this understanding, don't discount the possibilities that again appeasing Washington (BO) will also ultimately reveal that even though Israel capitulates with the desires of Washington under the guise of more and more promises, Washington cannot be trusted from an Israeli standpoint any more than Hamas & Co.

As this comes to fruition, Israel will actually have a much more firm footing to do whatever they deem necessary to ensure their own safety and survival.

The attention span for many has been exceeded during this cease fire time frame. This is the by-product of a society so steeped with instant gratification, that if something isn't "right now", then it has either failed or the operation is over in entirety. This is far from the truth, and this time is being used for many preparations, both politically and logistically, on more than one front, while also crating an environment where true supporters of Israel (as Israel - not some concocted combined area) as well as their true enemies are all ultimately revealed.

This is the beginning of separating the wheat from the chaff.
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What do you suppose will happen if Israel is attacked by multiple Muslim states in unison? Israel would obviously respond viciously in the beginning. What would Obama do? Threaten to join the Muslims against Israel and bomb Israel from subs and carriers?Seems to me that Obama expects Israel to accept extermination or risk the US attacking Israel. This power broker thing Obama is doing, coupled with Obama's Muslim sympathies spells the end of Israel. If Israel submits to Obama they will be destroyed. They will also be destroyed if they don't. How does Israel deal with this?
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Update from israelnationalnews.com

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High Alert in Judea, Samaria
The IDF is on alert in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem due to threats of another terrorist attack.

On Thursday night the IDF conducted an arrest operation, detaining 28 Palestinian Authority residents suspected of involvement in terrorism.

The night before, 55 suspects were arrested, some of them PA members of parliament affiliated with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Both terrorist groups, which call openly for Israel’s destruction, are recognized as political parties in the PA.
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I'm missing my daily dose of doom... huffy
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I'm missing my daily dose of doom... huffy
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Patience is a virtue!
Shouldn't be too long now.

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