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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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Thank you i appreciate your comments & friend !

I come from Croatia originally and we had a Muslim take over that lasted hundreds of years of suffering !

I will never bow down either and let that become of my family
My family never was and never will be muslim!
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Then we were neighbors perhaps at some point, I'm from Romania ! :)

cheers
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Been dying to visit there forever! hf
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Three Iranian missile experts in Gaza from Lebanon after ceasefire



[link to www.debka.com]
 Quoting: NDH


Those missile experts better watch their back, I'm sure if Debka knows about this, the Mossad knew the second they entered the country !

This is why Iran must be taken down or at least their current regime ! Sending missile experts to better tweak Hamas' rockets in order to inflict more damage to CIVILIAN targets !

What is that if not terrorism at its best !??
 Quoting: subzero86




I agree totally with you ! ..

Israel & it's allies need to take the threat away ...
 Quoting: NDH


I don't think Iran is the threat.
And I am as you against shooting missiles at civilians but bombing houses of civilians and stealing land of people in Gaza is also wrong. You pro Zionists always seem to see just one side of this conflict and unable to dig into the view of the others involved. So will never be able to get peace.
I think the only reason why Israel is against a nuclear Iran, is that it would no longer be power #1 in middle east.
But it is time to balance... and peace.
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Three Iranian missile experts in Gaza from Lebanon after ceasefire



[link to www.debka.com]
 Quoting: NDH


Those missile experts better watch their back, I'm sure if Debka knows about this, the Mossad knew the second they entered the country !

This is why Iran must be taken down or at least their current regime ! Sending missile experts to better tweak Hamas' rockets in order to inflict more damage to CIVILIAN targets !

What is that if not terrorism at its best !??
 Quoting: subzero86




I agree totally with you ! ..

Israel & it's allies need to take the threat away ...
 Quoting: NDH


I don't think Iran is the threat.
And I am as you against shooting missiles at civilians but bombing houses of civilians and stealing land of people in Gaza is also wrong. You pro Zionists always seem to see just one side of this conflict and unable to dig into the view of the others involved. So will never be able to get peace.
I think the only reason why Israel is against a nuclear Iran, is that it would no longer be power #1 in middle east.
But it is time to balance... and peace.
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I'm not a Zionist,
A nuclear iran is out of the question ...
Look at north korea ....

Dictatorships with nukes = BAD explosion Tank abomb
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Ehud Barak to step down as Israeli Defense Minister, retire from politics

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TURKISH ANTI-AIRCRAFT DEFENSES FIRE AT SYRIAN WARPLANES: ARABIYA.
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TURKISH ANTI-AIRCRAFT DEFENSES FIRE AT SYRIAN WARPLANES: ARABIYA.
 Quoting: Luisport


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TURKISH ANTI-AIRCRAFT DEFENSES FIRE AT SYRIAN WARPLANES: ARABIYA.
 Quoting: Luisport


!
 Quoting: Swinburnian

damned
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TURKISH ANTI-AIRCRAFT DEFENSES FIRE AT SYRIAN WARPLANES: ARABIYA.
 Quoting: Luisport


bump
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And the demonstrators in Cairo are returning to Tahir Square - showing live now on CNN

[link to www.cnn.com]

Is it just me? Or is the world having a melt down?
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Egypt stocks down another 4%, with yesterday biggest drop since Arab Spring
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Egypt stocks down another 4%, with yesterday biggest drop since Arab Spring
 Quoting: Luisport


Why do I get the feeling that Egypt is going to fall apart and take the cease fire with it?

damned
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Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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The party will go on soon.

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The party will go on soon.

5a
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dance
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Is it just me? Or is the world having a melt down?
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And this is just the beginning of the meltdown, I'm afraid we ain't seen nothing yet !
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Is it just me? Or is the world having a melt down?
 Quoting: Éireann


And this is just the beginning of the meltdown, I'm afraid we ain't seen nothing yet !
 Quoting: subzero86


You KNOW that we will see more...
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Egypt stocks down another 4%, with yesterday biggest drop since Arab Spring
 Quoting: Luisport


Why do I get the feeling that Egypt is going to fall apart and take the cease fire with it?

damned
 Quoting: Éireann


Think about what a 13% drop - 9% yesterday and 4% more today ---in Egyptian stock market represents.

Literally BILLIONS of dollars lost by their economy. Remember all this drama over whether or not Obama/EU will approve a 4.5 billion dollar loan or whatever..... Now Egypt lost TWICE that in just 2 days in the stock market.

Their tourism is only going to get worse. The brain & investment drain will accelerate. Mind you, Mubarak's plutocrats already took a ton of gold & treasure out of the country as the revolution commenced in early 2011.

Egypt also doesn't get Israel's money for gas because of the blown pipeline. In fact, Israeli and American energy companies have an 8 billion dollar LAWSUIT waiting in the wings for Egypt's violation of the gas contract in question. I think Israel only held off on filing it because they wanted to give Peace with Egypt a chace -- likely at the strong urging of Obama & EU.

Maybe now average Egyptians will see the RUIN that Muslim Brotherhood has brought upon the country in only 6 months of official rule.

Then again, the people who STARTED the revolution -- secular liberals -- are dumbasses who are allergic to learning. Just like Liberal Idealists collapsed the Monarchy and brought hard-core Communists in power in the Russian Revolution in 1917. Just like Liberal-Idealists collapsed the Shah in Iran -- and brought the psychotic Apocalyptic Twelver Ayatollahs.

Same with Egypt, it seems. LOL totalitarian forces -- whether Communists, Fascist or Islamists -- are nothing if not OPPORTUNISTIC. Kinda like viruses or bacteria only attacking the weakened immune system. Same with Muslim Brotherhood.
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Any news on the ship packed with missiles from iran ?!
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Mursallini speaks: EGYPT PRESIDENT'S DECREES WILL NOT BE AMENDED, SPOKESMAN SAYS
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Any news on the ship packed with missiles from iran ?!
 Quoting: NDH


Haven't heard anything yet but you can be sure it's closely tracked !

We will probably hear about it when it's swimming with the fishes already !
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Can someone tell me ( please forgive my ignorance ) but under what Law does Israel have the right to attack this ship?
If countries with Warships etc can freely move around with weapons onboard why is this ship not allowed to?

(serious question...not trying to take the piss or anything...just dont understand why Iran is not allowed to transport weapons to an ally..?)
 Quoting: taniatarn


Tania, with all do respect, you are a Palestinian supporter, you have made that perfectly clear on many occasions, so please stop trying to act impartial !

Israel is a sovereign nation and has a right to defend itself like any other nation on Earth!

Let's say for a second that New Zealand was at war with Australia and Kiwi intelligence got word that a big transport of ballistic missiles are en route to Australia with the aim of being fired at NZ at some point in the future !

Wouldn't you want your country to take preemptive action to stop that ship from ever delivering those rockets to the Aussies !?

It's the same think with Israel, it has the right to prevent weapons from reaching Gaza or Sudan because those weapons are going to be fired at Israeli cities in the near future !

Hamas wanted a cease fire so it can catch its breath, resupply from Iran and start the cycle all over again...Israel has the right to stop Hamas (a terrorist organization) from resupplying its weapon stash !
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Just to clarify my position...Religious Extremism and everything it stands for is very frightening.No matter what the religion. I dont like war full stop...and I certainly dont side with Hamas or Islam. But I do think that there is SIGNIFICANTLY less options for the Gazan children to be protected, than the Israeli Children and as a Mother this strikes a chord deep in my heart. I side with Palestines children being able to experience freedom from the current prison they are in ( and it is a prison not just in the physical sense but also a religious prison for them as well. ) Many many MANY people do not want to be there but cannot leave. The same cannot be said for the Israeli people who can freely come and go. I realise they are also suffering from the stress of rocket fire...I do not agree with this either and do not wish missiles to all on Israel at all. I believe religion is the root of this issue...and not just Islam/Muslim Extremism. The Jewish faith is just as dangerous.

Yes I would want something to be done to help prevent those rockets being fired on my country...but I would on the other hand want a Kiwi ship to make it to New Zealand with a supply that was destined for our defence. Do you see what that really means? If those weapons were bound for Israel to be fired on Gaza you would be cheering for it to get thru...and be livid if the Palestines Allies decided to illegally sink the ship...

That is why I asked the question impartially cause I want to know how this stands in line with international Law...can ISrael LEGALLY destroy the ship?
 Quoting: taniatarn


You are not impartial. Obvious Jihadist.
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The party will go on soon.

5a
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There is big chance for that!! Gaza was just a prelude for the big conflict!!

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Any news on the ship packed with missiles from iran ?!
 Quoting: NDH


Maybe?

Iranian warships returning to Sudan: military
Monday, 26 November 2012

Iranian warships will return to Sudan on Friday, the armed forces said, one month after a similar port call followed Khartoum's accusation that Israel bombed a military factory.

Sudan's links to Iran have come under scrutiny after Khartoum accused Israel of the October 23 strike against the Yarmouk compound, which led to speculation that Iranian weapons were stored or manufactured at the factory in Khartoum.

"Two Iranian warships would also visit Port Sudan harbor on November 30 and would stay at the harbor for three days within the military maritime cooperation," said Sawarmi Khaled Saad, Sudan's army spokesman quoted by the official SUNA news agency.

[link to english.alarabiya.net]
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Just to clarify my position...Religious Extremism and everything it stands for is very frightening.No matter what the religion. I dont like war full stop...and I certainly dont side with Hamas or Islam. But I do think that there is SIGNIFICANTLY less options for the Gazan children to be protected, than the Israeli Children and as a Mother this strikes a chord deep in my heart. I side with Palestines children being able to experience freedom from the current prison they are in ( and it is a prison not just in the physical sense but also a religious prison for them as well. ) Many many MANY people do not want to be there but cannot leave. The same cannot be said for the Israeli people who can freely come and go. I realise they are also suffering from the stress of rocket fire...I do not agree with this either and do not wish missiles to all on Israel at all. I believe religion is the root of this issue...and not just Islam/Muslim Extremism. The Jewish faith is just as dangerous.

Yes I would want something to be done to help prevent those rockets being fired on my country...but I would on the other hand want a Kiwi ship to make it to New Zealand with a supply that was destined for our defence. Do you see what that really means? If those weapons were bound for Israel to be fired on Gaza you would be cheering for it to get thru...and be livid if the Palestines Allies decided to illegally sink the ship...

That is why I asked the question impartially cause I want to know how this stands in line with international Law...can ISrael LEGALLY destroy the ship?
 Quoting: taniatarn


You are not impartial. Obvious Jihadist.
 Quoting: ISO


I don't think she is a Jihadist, perhaps just a mother who was very touched by the images of dying children in Gaza after the Israeli airstrikes !

And I get that and respect that but the only reason you haven't seen dying screaming children in Israel is because of Hamas' poorly made rockets and the IDF's Iron Dome system...because God knows Hamas tried its best to kill Israeli CIVILIANS !

That is the big difference, the children who die in Gaza are collateral damage because Hamas fires rockets from the rooftops of their schools and kindergartens...any child who dies in Israel would die because he was deliberately targeted by Hamas ! That is a huge difference !
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I agree totally with you ! ..

Israel & it's allies need to take the threat away ...
 Quoting: NDH


What allies my friend ?

With the muslim-in-chief at the White House I really have to wonder how many allies does Israel have left !?
 Quoting: subzero86



Don't worry about Obama as much as their Intel sources. If they're becoming all the same, that's the killer.
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Here's some shit about why Turkey's involved. They want to sell concrete.

By mid-2011, prices for Turkish cement (Gazans snub Egypt’s lower-quality products) had fallen from almost $1,000 per ton at the height of the closures in mid-2008 to $250 in June 2010.

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"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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This is why Hamas will never disappear.

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"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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For the Israeli politic followers - What is your take on these guys? From what I understand a couple of them are from the more hawkish side of Likud.

RT @haaretzcom: Initial results of #Likud primaries show top five are Gideon Sa'ar, Gilad Erdan, Silvan Shalom, Yisrael Katz and Danny Danon

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Egypt stocks down another 4%, with yesterday biggest drop since Arab Spring
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Why do I get the feeling that Egypt is going to fall apart and take the cease fire with it?

damned
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[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Egypt's president Mohammed Morsi has insisted he would not be another dictator as he tried to calm violent opposition to a decree that grants him absolute powers.



He also unilaterally cancelled legal challenges to the committee drawing up a new constitution as well as to the upper house of parliament, both of which are dominated by his Muslim Brotherhood backers.

With no lower house of parliament until the new constitution is formed, this decree gave him stronger powers than those of his overthrown predecessor, Hosni Mubarak.



Opponents fear that there will be clashes on Tuesday when the Muslim Brotherhood organises a counter-rally to support the president against the Tahrir Square protesters. Some even fear the military, which have taken a back seat since Mr Morsi became president in June, may use the confrontation as a excuse to step back in.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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There were supposed to be talks between Hamas and the Israelis today to fine tune the cease fire.

Anyone know the outcome?
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