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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
littlemiracles

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5 rockets just launched on RT feed
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Bottom line:

If Netanyahu was serious about removing Hamas, the IDF would be:

1>Prepared for a long bloody war in Gaza lasting a year or more.

2>Not be wishy washy about whether or not a ground op is required

3>talking to world leaders about their stupid opinions which are as enlightening as fortune cookies

4>Sitting outside Gaza for 3 days watching nothing happen.

Ground op not happening. It's a bluff, and Hamas called Netty on it to be honest. Netty is gonna wind up looking soft here.
 Quoting: ISO


What on earth are you talking about?

1) Considering the Gaza is THE most heavily armed terror hub in the world, with the most densely populated civilian & terror infrastructure funded by billions of dollars from Iran, KSA, Qatar, Turkey, MB in Egypt... a YEAR long Israel ground operation would cost Israel 10-20 billion of dollars alone (not counting the longer-term psychological, demoralizing aspect). For a tiny, 1st world high-tech nation that is beyond UNACCEPTABLE.

2) You've got it compltely upside-down: No Israeli government would surprive even a 2-3 month long war -- unless it was the BIG one meaning taking out Iraninan nukes, Syrian chemical WMD stocks or if Egyptian army were to roll into Sinai uninvited.

3) You're thinking (military, dimplomatic, geo-political) reality is simple. It's is NOT. It's incredible complex & risky, esprcially in that part of the world.The Gaza/Palestinian terror build-up has been NEGLECTED by almost 20 year rule by the Left-wing Labor & Kadima parties (doing the bidding of their masters in Washington DC, Brussels, London, Paris, Ryadh, Doha and Dubai, of coursE).

The reason why IDF has "wasted" 3 days on the outskirts of Gaza is not because Netanyahu is stupid or because he doesn't want to strike quickly and thus retain element of surprise.... No, it's because this operation is designed as multi-stage, multi-tiered --- in response to incresinly more sophisticated challenged of modern, urban-based warfare.

IDF did catch Hamas with their pants down Wednsday morning, but within a few hours, the element of surprise went away as Israel knew it would. And remember, it also takes a while to call up reserves & equipment, WITHOUT spooking or telegraphic it to Gaza terror groups --- certainly in an era of cable internet, satellites, Iphones with high-res digital cameras, Twitter, etc. That's just asking too much of IDF -- or even a superpower like the US military, for that matter!

4) Netanyahu also understand that he is operating in very dangerous waters politically. And it's not just the usual suspects that want to his downfall at any cost -- Morsi, Erdogan, Iranian Mullahs, Soros -- but even his "friends" like Obama, Cameron, Merkel would stick a knife in his back the first real chance they get. If that's not enough while the internal opposition has been respecting the war-time unity in Israel, you already are seeing Commies from Zahava Gallion, Yair Lapid to Ben-Eliezer starting to ever-so-daftly criticize the operation -- and it's only been 3 days, LOL.

Remember, the 2009 Castlead op, IDF didn't even try to go in until after a WEEK of ariel operations. Of course George Bush was still in office, so Israel had way more international leeway (and still got the libelous trash that was Goldstone Report as "thanks"!!! the irony)
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i want to see that big bottle... someone has the link ready? also want to see the chair again
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Saddest news of today is probably those kids in Egypt. That is a crisis, Gaza is a setback.
What?
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5 rockets just launched on RT feed
 Quoting: littlemiracles


Yep, just saw that. Scary shit. hiding
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Booms, and numerous rocket fire from Gaza just now.
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...


In other words:
Egyptian PM:"Time has come to fully, completely, and comprehensively reconsider ... the 1.5Bn a year the US gives us"
 Quoting: 8200


Exactly, Egypt wont do shit
 Quoting: strikeforce


Muslim Brotherhood World Wide Unite....
 Quoting: Nlightened


As of these latest events, people tend to remember 2008 as similar situation.

I think 1973 on steroids is more likely to happen.

Absolutely NO SOLUTION will come out of this.
This is a road to nowhere.
 Quoting: Démodé


yes that is it bang on

its a circle and it will only end when one kills the other simple as that two religions two cultures that clash in the same proximity
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Saddest news of today is probably those kids in Egypt. That is a crisis, Gaza is a setback.
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Oh, for sure.
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link?
 Quoting: boku82


Live reporting by Brit guy from Gaza

[link to www.ustream.tv]
 Quoting: Démodé

He's working from hamas underground military base.
 Quoting: BloodyT3CH


Smagu kita lietuvi matyti :D
 Quoting: TheCuriousObserver


Indeed. I wish I had more Serbs here at GLP.

Or maybe not...
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Boku, a polskie media mowia o zmianie szefa PSL - wydania specjalne programu xD
 Quoting: zKnight


english language please :D

->gg -> (o PSL wiem, lipa z mediami)
 Quoting: boku82


news about tanks possibly BS
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Exactly, Egypt wont do shit
 Quoting: strikeforce


Muslim Brotherhood World Wide Unite....
 Quoting: Nlightened


As of these latest events, people tend to remember 2008 as similar situation.

I think 1973 on steroids is more likely to happen.

Absolutely NO SOLUTION will come out of this.
This is a road to nowhere.
 Quoting: Démodé


yes that is it bang on

its a circle and it will only end when one kills the other simple as that two religions two cultures that clash in the same proximity
 Quoting: Anderson_G


if that is your only solution, i hope the arabs win
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#GazaUnderAttack Israel tanks has started invading oni#Gaza strips now ! #GazaunderAttack
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Confirmed with source or just twitter?
Nexus News
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11/17/2012 02:03 PM
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5 rockets just launched on RT feed
 Quoting: littlemiracles


You have sound there?
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#GazaUnderAttack Israel tanks has started invading oni#Gaza strips now ! #GazaunderAttack
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Confirmed with source or just twitter?
 Quoting: Nexus News


probably BS, 95%
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Muslim Brotherhood World Wide Unite....
 Quoting: Nlightened


As of these latest events, people tend to remember 2008 as similar situation.

I think 1973 on steroids is more likely to happen.

Absolutely NO SOLUTION will come out of this.
This is a road to nowhere.
 Quoting: Démodé


yes that is it bang on

its a circle and it will only end when one kills the other simple as that two religions two cultures that clash in the same proximity
 Quoting: Anderson_G


if that is your only solution, i hope the arabs win
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27879072


nope its not my solution but just look at it all how many times have we been down this path
Anderson_G

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Smagu kita lietuvi matyti :D
 Quoting: TheCuriousObserver



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#GazaUnderAttack Israel tanks has started invading oni#Gaza strips now ! #GazaunderAttack
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26837644


Confirmed with source or just twitter?
 Quoting: Nexus News


No sources yet, Twitter talk
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5 rockets just launched on RT feed
 Quoting: littlemiracles


You have sound there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27932600


No just watched the light balls fly. What kind of missiles would they be? Just bright solid balls of light...
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Alarm im Netivot
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Smagu kita lietuvi matyti :D
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 Quoting: SPUD


1rof11rof11rof1
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any live feed with sound ?
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5 rockets just launched on RT feed
 Quoting: littlemiracles


You have sound there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27932600


No just watched the light balls fly. What kind of missiles would they be? Just bright solid balls of light...
 Quoting: littlemiracles


Qassams
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Just in: since 2001, Israeli operations killed 1000 kids in Gaza.

This really works for no one.
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REMINDER:

About lebendy billion pages ago, Trinity warned not to derail this thread or derailers would be baned.

Stay on topic.
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any live feed with sound ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21061993


Nothing. Harry's pops on from time to time but nothing consistent.
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Alarm in Netivot
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Alarm in Beer Sheva.

Iron Dome intercepts rocket in Ashdod.
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Just in: since 2001, Israeli operations killed 1000 kids in Gaza.

This really works for no one.
 Quoting: Démodé


Israelis have died since 2001 as well. Ignoring those numbers is going to instantly look inhumane while you try to look humane.
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5 rockets just launched on RT feed
 Quoting: littlemiracles


You have sound there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27932600


No just watched the light balls fly. What kind of missiles would they be? Just bright solid balls of light...
 Quoting: littlemiracles


Qassams
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27932600


Thanks, so not much damage then? I'm a newb to war paraphernalia
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Just in: since 2001, Israeli operations killed 1000 kids in Gaza.

This really works for no one.
 Quoting: Démodé


And your source is???????
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Breaking - Israeli tanks firing dozens of shells at Eastern Gaza

At the news bar on press tv

[link to www.presstv.ir]

hiding
 Quoting: Tigershield


BS?
 Quoting: zKnight


Wish it was BS. But it's not

hiding