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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
Éireann
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There is literally nothing you can do to keep me out of this thread.

You are one powerless cunt right now.

How does that feel?
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"ooooo im an internet tough guy. im a super duper caped forum crusader. im so invincible im fonzi cool"

yeah we've gotten the manure factory tour before and like gas....we pass.

cluepon - we've crapped bigger than you.


so suck my breast milk out of a crazy straw if you think i cant nuke your cock-snot ass into the next ufo portal chucklefuck.

knock it off.
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OMG!! You made me blush!!! LOL! Oh my!!
Éireann~

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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

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The ultimatum could just be a PR move, I have a gut feeling that that decision to go in has been made before the first bomb ever dropped.

 Quoting: ViperSmart 28026441


Going in is silly without an objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624



I think their objective is to re-occupy.

Probably they will take total control and go house to house if they have to.

They will encounter resistance at first, but eventually whatever Hamas has managed to smuggle in the way of anti-tank rockets and such will be used up and there will be nothing left to them.

Israel will destroy the smuggling tunnels, and set troops up on the Egyptian border and then slowly find everything, every gun, every rocket, everything...

I'm not cheer leading here either, just what I think makes sense, if I was Israel this is what i would do.

From their perspective they must crush Hamas and get rid of every last rocket, and this will require reoccupation.
 Quoting: ViperSmart 28026441


Likud forces arent capable of such an ambitious project IMHO -- house to house aimlessly looking for weapons? Nah! It will certainly be the tunnels. They'll find what they can, destroy them,, then retreat -- or maybe they'll stay and risk the wrath of both Gaza and Sinai protecting their commercial trade? Dangerous. Hamas military has already depleted their supply of missiles, which may have been another Likud objective. So both those limited objectives buys time. But why, you may ask? Good question.
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Wow! a nuke went off. lol
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Waiting on that "nuke", Phen.

Any time now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5299250


You might have just said it. I see a correlation to this latest skirmish. Suppose a dirty bomb is set off in God forbid Israel. Then where would the dirty materials have come from? Maybe Syria, or Iran, or even Egypt. Then it really is on like donk kong.
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Likud forces arent capable of such an ambitious project IMHO -- house to house aimlessly looking for weapons? Nah! It will certainly be the tunnels. They'll find what they can, destroy them,, then retreat -- or maybe they'll stay and risk the wrath of both Gaza and Sinai protecting their commercial trade? Dangerous. Hamas military has already depleted their supply of missiles, which may have been another Likud objective. So both those limited objectives buys time. But why, you may ask? Good question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624



I guess it all depends on what they have managed to get in so far as far as smuggling goes...

I have thought this too, that Israel is purposely trying to get them to use up all of their weapons, eat them up with Iron dome and then isolate them.

I think it might get more dangerous for them than they might expect trying to close up the tunnels and "starve them out"...

I think Hamas may have anti tank rockets from Iran, which will not be a good thing for the IDF obviously, and if they simply choke them off of anything coming from Egypt and wait them out the Arabic world is going to scream bloody murder.

Of course I am no general, this may all be a smokescreen or the start of some much, much bigger move, like attacking Iran.

Who knows, but it sure as hell is interesting to watch.
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Waiting on that "nuke", Phen.

Any time now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5299250


You might have just said it. I see a correlation to this latest skirmish. Suppose a dirty bomb is set off in God forbid Israel. Then where would the dirty materials have come from? Maybe Syria, or Iran, or even Egypt. Then it really is on like donk kong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25512421


Dirty (nuke) materials can be had from many sources...

[link to www.google.ca]
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Hi,

I have a simple question for our serious posters:

What do you think will happen when Palestine gets UN recognition in 10 days ?

Thanks,
SP
 Quoting: Stoned Prophet


After this, not a chance....they were obviously the aggressor here. And how's that working out for them?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I hope you're right because I am thinking if they get recognition they can arm themselves to the hilt with all kinds of nasty stuff.

I don't care you if like Jews or not. It pretty clear that Gaza is 99.94% hate and these people if given WNDs they would use them.
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Well, I was banned for 2 days and just now came back. I will refrain from hate speech and posting irrelevant topics...
What?
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Okay everybody, this thread has deteriorated badly. Can everyone go back to their corners and take a breath?

Mods - that what you have to do, do quickly. And be done with it.
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By the way, I find relational correlation to be right about 75% of the time in foretelling of future events. Notice how many just out of the blue mentioned nuke?

Things could get very interesting shortly.
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Well, I was banned for 2 days and just now came back. I will refrain from hate speech and posting irrelevant topics...
 Quoting: ~Proud Zionist~


welcome back buddy hf
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And I'd like to add - this is some of the worst trash I've ever read. I don't see why the rest of us who come here have to have this stuff thrown in our faces.
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By the way, I find relational correlation to be right about 75% of the time in foretelling of future events. Notice how many just out of the blue mentioned nuke?

Things could get very interesting shortly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25512421

That's a scary thought
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Likud forces arent capable of such an ambitious project IMHO -- house to house aimlessly looking for weapons? Nah! It will certainly be the tunnels. They'll find what they can, destroy them,, then retreat -- or maybe they'll stay and risk the wrath of both Gaza and Sinai protecting their commercial trade? Dangerous. Hamas military has already depleted their supply of missiles, which may have been another Likud objective. So both those limited objectives buys time. But why, you may ask? Good question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624



I guess it all depends on what they have managed to get in so far as far as smuggling goes...

I have thought this too, that Israel is purposely trying to get them to use up all of their weapons, eat them up with Iron dome and then isolate them.

I think it might get more dangerous for them than they might expect trying to close up the tunnels and "starve them out"...

I think Hamas may have anti tank rockets from Iran, which will not be a good thing for the IDF obviously, and if they simply choke them off of anything coming from Egypt and wait them out the Arabic world is going to scream bloody murder.

Of course I am no general, this may all be a smokescreen or the start of some much, much bigger move, like attacking Iran.

Who knows, but it sure as hell is interesting to watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28026441


Yes. I think the pressure on Likud is Cairo's inability to control Sinai. They are independent, apparently. Since Egypt used to enabled Likud's blockade of Gaza, their absence has made Gaza/Sinai trade a booming business. You cant have a national security policy that depends on a blockade of Gaza that doesnt work. I think Israel is a bit desperate,,, and they dont know what else to do..
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Well, I was banned for 2 days and just now came back. I will refrain from hate speech and posting irrelevant topics...
 Quoting: ~Proud Zionist~


It often ends with posting nothing!!!
What is this with this ban system !
I don't get it. I thought we actually had free speech???
bump
Éireann
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I don't know if it's my internet connection or what, but Harry is hit and miss at best.

I wish Obama would hurry up!
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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The ultimatum could just be a PR move, I have a gut feeling that that decision to go in has been made before the first bomb ever dropped.

 Quoting: ViperSmart 28026441


Going in is silly without an objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624



I think their objective is to re-occupy.

Probably they will take total control and go house to house if they have to.

They will encounter resistance at first, but eventually whatever Hamas has managed to smuggle in the way of anti-tank rockets and such will be used up and there will be nothing left to them.

Israel will destroy the smuggling tunnels, and set troops up on the Egyptian border and then slowly find everything, every gun, every rocket, everything...

I'm not cheer leading here either, just what I think makes sense, if I was Israel this is what i would do.

From their perspective they must crush Hamas and get rid of every last rocket, and this will require reoccupation.
 Quoting: ViperSmart 28026441


You are spot on!! Don't like much of west agenda, who often benefits economic interests, but what you are describing is the only solution

hf
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In regards to the lack of shelling, didn't some Israeli official mention that special forces were already in Gaza looking for the missile stocks?

Of course that would be the real reason to stop shelling, waiting for them to finish, like in 36 hours wink wink.
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I don't know if it's my internet connection or what, but Harry is hit and miss at best.

I wish Obama would hurry up!
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah me too!
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. ... That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave." - General Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
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I don't know if it's my internet connection or what, but Harry is hit and miss at best.

I wish Obama would hurry up!
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah me too!
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


What's Obama supposed to do?

Have Hamas and the Israel sit down and sort everything out over a few beers?
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Notice how many just out of the blue mentioned nuke?
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It's mentioned all the time, rationalized to psychologically sooth the weak witted. Consistently said as a means to an end by certain nationalities. If you want to make correlations, try to make a guess which nations say it the most?
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I don't know if it's my internet connection or what, but Harry is hit and miss at best.

I wish Obama would hurry up!
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah me too!
 Quoting: Dr. Acula

Same here.
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In regards to the lack of shelling, didn't some Israeli official mention that special forces were already in Gaza looking for the missile stocks?

Of course that would be the real reason to stop shelling, waiting for them to finish, like in 36 hours wink wink.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25512421


the article title was a bit misleading...

They arent already there

(as far as we know?)

but the article its self said when the ground invasion occurs... 20,000 special forces will look for long range rockets.
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. ... That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave." - General Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
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I don't know if it's my internet connection or what, but Harry is hit and miss at best.

I wish Obama would hurry up!
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah me too!
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


What's Obama supposed to do?

Have Hamas and the Israel sit down and sort everything out over a few beers?
 Quoting: Sesquipedalian

No, Obama's giving a speech and all of the news stations are covering it. It's the first time a US President has been to Burma... er I mean Myanmar.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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The ultimatum could just be a PR move, I have a gut feeling that that decision to go in has been made before the first bomb ever dropped.

 Quoting: ViperSmart 28026441


Going in is silly without an objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624



I think their objective is to re-occupy.

Probably they will take total control and go house to house if they have to.

They will encounter resistance at first, but eventually whatever Hamas has managed to smuggle in the way of anti-tank rockets and such will be used up and there will be nothing left to them.

Israel will destroy the smuggling tunnels, and set troops up on the Egyptian border and then slowly find everything, every gun, every rocket, everything...

I'm not cheer leading here either, just what I think makes sense, if I was Israel this is what i would do.

From their perspective they must crush Hamas and get rid of every last rocket, and this will require reoccupation.
 Quoting: ViperSmart 28026441


You are spot on!! Don't like much of west agenda, who often benefits economic interests, but what you are describing is the only solution

hf
 Quoting: Limpan


Unimaginative. There are other solutions. Besides the one proposed aint going to happen...
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In regards to the lack of shelling, didn't some Israeli official mention that special forces were already in Gaza looking for the missile stocks?

Of course that would be the real reason to stop shelling, waiting for them to finish, like in 36 hours wink wink.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25512421


here is the article

[link to www.thesundaytimes.co.uk]

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"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. ... That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave." - General Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
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Well, I was banned for 2 days and just now came back. I will refrain from hate speech and posting irrelevant topics...
 Quoting: ~Proud Zionist~


It often ends with posting nothing!!!
What is this with this ban system !
I don't get it. I thought we actually had free speech???
bump
 Quoting: Limpan


The idea was that we could come here and talk about recent developments without trying to rehash and fight about the origins of turmoil in the Middle East. We are NOT going to resolve that on this thread if it hasn't been resolved for thousands of years.

I've gotten upset on here myself, but some people keep baiting and taunting and even pissing off the Mods. Free speech doesn't include totally immature baiting and harassment. You will not find ANY website that allows people to post the crap they do on GLP. So I wouldn't complain about it - any of you.

You are ruining it for everyone else - Germany and Australia and whoever else is agitating and foul mouthed. How about majority rule? People like that right? Well how about we vote some of you off the island. Not directed toward you Limpan, but anyone who's knowingly trying to derail and agitate.
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what time will 36-Hour Ultimatum be over?
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I don't know if it's my internet connection or what, but Harry is hit and miss at best.

I wish Obama would hurry up!
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah me too!
 Quoting: Dr. Acula

Same here.
 Quoting: StaceyRay


Obama would hurry up and what? What did I miss?

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