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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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 Quoting: Dangerwalt


looks like a rocket heading out from gaza to israel. prob that area will be targeted soon
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Two of them.
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And to the victor go the spoils (of war).

Israel was brutally attacked in '67 by two countries, nearly simultaneously...and kicked ass.

They took the Golan Heights to establish the buffer zone so there is no more "high ground" for their enemies to launch attacks from, and they took Gaza out of absolute necessity.

Every time Israel "gives back" land in an effort to create a lasting peace (at the demand of "world leaders" at the U.N.), the Palestinians and other similar peoples turn that land into open sewers and terrorist training camps, then blame Israel for not giving them MORE money!

Wise people see through the Arab/Palestinian propaganda.

Hate-filled people listen to it, believe it and propagate it on this board.

Sub-zero, your views are a breath of fresh air in this stuffy smoke-filled room.

:idfbar:
 Quoting: Fat Albert


At the end of every war in history there have been border changes, land gained and land lost ! Why should this be any different in Israel's case ?

Unfortunately the hatred many people have for Israel is blinding them from seeing that this situation is no different from any other war on earth,,,where at the end the victor gets the spoils ! Not to mention that Israel never started the war, they got attacked in the first place !
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Fine let the idiots go at it with eachother. I won't be a part of it.

Israel's just been foaming at the mouth for the perfect chance to wipe out Iran for many years. Now they have it, and the world finally sees them for what they really are.
It would be wise for the USA to nullify any agreements we have with them. They're a volatile and unstable nation.
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Not sure which side you choose, but G-d and sane people are with Israel.

5,000 years of persecution, genocide and attacks based on "convenience" is our legacy, but we are not bitter...we know the rules:

An eye for an eye.

Hamas launches 70 rockets at innocent civilians? We kill the leader of Hamas.

We precisely take out the rocket launchers and kill the rocket makers.

We do not arbitrarily target civilians in order to sow terror, kill babies and destroy G-d's chosen people.

It is not a "trick"...it is self-defense in a country surrounded by haters of the first covenant, the Old Testament, and the word of G-d.

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 Quoting: Fat Albert


im against the entire situation people are dying on both sides and it has to end, leaders of both governments and armed forces need to be held responsible for war crimes.
 Quoting: mrmuffins69


I understand and thank you for clarifying your position.

No one wants to see bloodshed, but the U.N. will not help Israel, and passively supports anti-semitism (as does our "fearless leader, Mr. Obama).

The bloodshed is self-defense. Israel did not start this battle. The actions are in response to repeated rocket fire from north and south, and they have held their fire long enough.

In return, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood guys from Egypt are now launching missiles by the dozen every hour.

Is Israel supposed to simply sit there and take hit after hit without striking back?

If Mexico were launching missiles across the border into Texas, what do you think the U.S. response would be?

Same as if someone came into your house with a gun (G-d forbid)..you have the obligation to defend your family, as Israel has the right and obligation to defend its people.

Be well, and Shalom.

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 Quoting: Fat Albert

So they are all still going at it with Egypt included?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20068093


Not exactly...Egypt uses Hamas as their proxy, much as Iran uses Hezbollah as theirs.

These countries provide weapons and training to Hamas and Hezbollah in order to perpetuate the bloodshed against Israel.

That way, they can pretend their hands are not red with the blood of Israeli children and innocents, but the carnage continues..because the Islamists refuse to accept peace.

Their only way is to kill and attempt to wipe Israel off the map (per Iran's president), and also to "Eliminate the Great Satan"..referring to the USA.

Anything that is not in 100% alignment with their extreme ideology must be killed. It's in their Koran...written by a warlord, Mohammed.

Most Jews prefer to follow the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments: "Thou shall have no other G-d before me".

These people worship their Mohammad and follow his writings which dictate the bloody elimination of "non-believers" in their "religion".

I call that worshiping another god (small case intended)...because no matter how many times the Muslims say they worship the same G-d as Christians and Jews, that G-d holds judgment for himself, he specifically tells us through Moses and the commandments "Thou shalt not kill"..not "Kill if they won't be like us".

Shalom

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Mostly because the "Palestinians" refuse to accept the offer of statehood unless Israel slits it's own throat and goes back to the '67 borders.

Make excessive and unacceptable demands, insist Israel is the aggressor (after murdering thousands in Israel) and then make demands?

Hah!

I doubt we will see a two-state solution in our lifetimes...tried that at Camp David and the Palestinians have said "it's not enough" and have repeatedly broken their "word" from the day the accord was signed.

Never trust a man who won't show his face in public.

 Quoting: Fat Albert


Israel will never go back to the 1967 borders, they are impossible to defend !
 Quoting: subzero86


And to the victor go the spoils (of war).

Israel was brutally attacked in '67 by two countries, nearly simultaneously...and kicked ass.

They took the Golan Heights to establish the buffer zone so there is no more "high ground" for their enemies to launch attacks from, and they took Gaza out of absolute necessity.

Every time Israel "gives back" land in an effort to create a lasting peace (at the demand of "world leaders" at the U.N.), the Palestinians and other similar peoples turn that land into open sewers and terrorist training camps, then blame Israel for not giving them MORE money!

Wise people see through the Arab/Palestinian propaganda.

Hate-filled people listen to it, believe it and propagate it on this board.

Sub-zero, your views are a breath of fresh air in this stuffy smoke-filled room.

:idfbar:
 Quoting: Fat Albert


clappa
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 Quoting: Dangerwalt


Yup. It started again. Who is bombing who this time?
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Rockets launched from gaza to Israel.
Just one any....

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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
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 Quoting: Dangerwalt


Yup. It started again. Who is bombing who this time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6568391


Rockets launched from gaza to Israel.
 Quoting: Dangerwalt


any cams in israel?
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nice to see people falling for oldest trick in the book, pitting 2 sides against each other in order to divide and conquer but go ahead continue to pick your side and watch has you lose more and more
 Quoting: mrmuffins69


Not sure which side you choose, but G-d and sane people are with Israel.

5,000 years of persecution, genocide and attacks based on "convenience" is our legacy, but we are not bitter...we know the rules:

An eye for an eye.

Hamas launches 70 rockets at innocent civilians? We kill the leader of Hamas.

We precisely take out the rocket launchers and kill the rocket makers.

We do not arbitrarily target civilians in order to sow terror, kill babies and destroy G-d's chosen people.

It is not a "trick"...it is self-defense in a country surrounded by haters of the first covenant, the Old Testament, and the word of G-d.

:idfbar:
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 Quoting: Fat Albert


im against the entire situation people are dying on both sides and it has to end, leaders of both governments and armed forces need to be held responsible for war crimes.
 Quoting: mrmuffins69


I understand and thank you for clarifying your position.

No one wants to see bloodshed, but the U.N. will not help Israel, and passively supports anti-semitism (as does our "fearless leader, Mr. Obama).

The bloodshed is self-defense. Israel did not start this battle. The actions are in response to repeated rocket fire from north and south, and they have held their fire long enough.

In return, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood guys from Egypt are now launching missiles by the dozen every hour.

Is Israel supposed to simply sit there and take hit after hit without striking back?

If Mexico were launching missiles across the border into Texas, what do you think the U.S. response would be?

Same as if someone came into your house with a gun (G-d forbid)..you have the obligation to defend your family, as Israel has the right and obligation to defend its people.

Be well, and Shalom.

:idfbar:
 Quoting: Fat Albert


we are already at war with mexico but its not the government. its the drug cartels, we have been fighting for years in this drug war. american deaths is unclear, some say up to 6000 from drug war related crimes others.what the mexican gov says is around 50,000 but some argue that it could be closer to 110,000. other central and south american countries also have very high death counts.
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Hope they get on with it !
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im against the entire situation people are dying on both sides and it has to end, leaders of both governments and armed forces need to be held responsible for war crimes.
 Quoting: mrmuffins69


I understand and thank you for clarifying your position.

No one wants to see bloodshed, but the U.N. will not help Israel, and passively supports anti-semitism (as does our "fearless leader, Mr. Obama).

The bloodshed is self-defense. Israel did not start this battle. The actions are in response to repeated rocket fire from north and south, and they have held their fire long enough.

In return, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood guys from Egypt are now launching missiles by the dozen every hour.

Is Israel supposed to simply sit there and take hit after hit without striking back?

If Mexico were launching missiles across the border into Texas, what do you think the U.S. response would be?

Same as if someone came into your house with a gun (G-d forbid)..you have the obligation to defend your family, as Israel has the right and obligation to defend its people.

Be well, and Shalom.

:idfbar:
 Quoting: Fat Albert

So they are all still going at it with Egypt included?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20068093


Not exactly...Egypt uses Hamas as their proxy, much as Iran uses Hezbollah as theirs.

These countries provide weapons and training to Hamas and Hezbollah in order to perpetuate the bloodshed against Israel.

That way, they can pretend their hands are not red with the blood of Israeli children and innocents, but the carnage continues..because the Islamists refuse to accept peace.

Their only way is to kill and attempt to wipe Israel off the map (per Iran's president), and also to "Eliminate the Great Satan"..referring to the USA.

Anything that is not in 100% alignment with their extreme ideology must be killed. It's in their Koran...written by a warlord, Mohammed.

Most Jews prefer to follow the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments: "Thou shall have no other G-d before me".

These people worship their Mohammad and follow his writings which dictate the bloody elimination of "non-believers" in their "religion".

I call that worshiping another god (small case intended)...because no matter how many times the Muslims say they worship the same G-d as Christians and Jews, that G-d holds judgment for himself, he specifically tells us through Moses and the commandments "Thou shalt not kill"..not "Kill if they won't be like us".

Shalom

:idfbar:
 Quoting: Fat Albert


hf
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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
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Think The poor of Gaza were lucky enough to sleep in bomb shelters while air strikes rained down upon them? Last time I checked, no Israelis were killed today..
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Yup. It started again. Who is bombing who this time?
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Rockets launched from gaza to Israel.
 Quoting: Dangerwalt


Thx. Will be an interesting day, full of rocket launches and kabooms. ;)
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Yup. It started again. Who is bombing who this time?
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Rockets launched from gaza to Israel.
 Quoting: Dangerwalt


any cams in israel?
 Quoting: akalucas


Good question. Let's look.
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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
 Quoting: subzero86


Think The poor of Gaza were lucky enough to sleep in bomb shelters while air strikes rained down upon them? Last time I checked, no Israelis were killed today..
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Then why don't they just stop?
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Fine let the idiots go at it with eachother. I won't be a part of it.

Israel's just been foaming at the mouth for the perfect chance to wipe out Iran for many years. Now they have it, and the world finally sees them for what they really are.
It would be wise for the USA to nullify any agreements we have with them. They're a volatile and unstable nation.
 Quoting: jadksn 27785061


Is it Israel's leaders calling to "Wipe (Iran) from the map"?

No..it is Iran's leader, who believes he can bring the coming of the 12th mahdi by killing all Israelis and Americans.

Israel has the absolute right to defend herself against overt aggression (suicide vests, rockets from Gaza and Golan, etc..)

You think Israel is "staging" this bloodshed as an excuse to attack Iran? This is a distraction KEEPING them from attacking.

If they are so busy defending their own borders (please note that IRAN provides 100% of the weaponry to Hezbollah), they have little time or resources to attack Iran.

The latest round of targeted attacks is a direct response from Grad rockets launched against Israel, without provocation.

So, if the beast offends, cut off it's head...which is exactly what Israel did in that beautifully surgical strike on the moving vehicle containing the terrorist head of Hamas.

Before you go flapping your jaw in hatred, please get your facts straight.

There has never, not once, been an Israeli use of force without provocation and bloodshed by terrorist elements first.

Look it up...you'll see.

But back to the point: If Israel does create several smoking holes in the ground in Iran where their nuke facilities used to be, that is their right, when Iran's "president" has threatened to eliminate the State of Israel literally hundreds of times.

There comes a time when you have to start believing their rhetoric and take decisive action.

What is Israel supposed to do? Wait until Iran launches a nuke against them and then respond with what is left of their arsenal?

Israel is a very small country, and cannot afford to risk a nuclear attack.

They should never have to go to sleep at night wondering if tomorrow is the day Iran decides to wipe them from the earth in some sick agenda to bring about the "12th Mahdi".

Religious zealots in Iran are just that...zealots.

The will stop at nothing until they accomplish their goal...and they keep biding time and building more and more nuclear facilities, installing more and more centrifuges. Why? They don't need nuclear energy plants...they have more oil than they know what to do with, so that defeats their "we need energy for our homes" B.S. argument.

Yes...there may come a day when Israel attacks Iran, and I can honestly say that scares me...but are YOU going to stop Iran from trying to wipe-out Israel?

Is the US president going to do anything to help Israel? No...which is why Isreal's leaders know they are standing alone in a very cruel world.

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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
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Think The poor of Gaza were lucky enough to sleep in bomb shelters while air strikes rained down upon them? Last time I checked, no Israelis were killed today..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19058378


Maybe the poor of Gaza are the ones allowing these years of attacks on Israel.
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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
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Think The poor of Gaza were lucky enough to sleep in bomb shelters while air strikes rained down upon them? Last time I checked, no Israelis were killed today..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19058378


Why remain anonymous? Scared to show yourself?

You can hide behind the "Anonymous Coward" handle...but that is what you will be called from here on out.

How does it feel to be a coward?

Nice yellow streak you have there, pal.
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A factory in Ashkelon was hit by a rocket fired from Gaza overnight. No injuries were reported but damage was caused.
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[link to rt.com]
Just one any....

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LATEST UPDATES

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07:01
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Don't get caught up in the "theater"! There are many actors in the global passion play! Some are seen, others are unseen! Look carefully at what you're seeing. Listen intently to what you're hearing. A "beast is rising out of the sea"!
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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
 Quoting: subzero86


Think The poor of Gaza were lucky enough to sleep in bomb shelters while air strikes rained down upon them? Last time I checked, no Israelis were killed today..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19058378


Why remain anonymous? Scared to show yourself?

You can hide behind the "Anonymous Coward" handle...but that is what you will be called from here on out.

How does it feel to be a coward?

Nice yellow streak you have there, pal.
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Albert you have a PM ! wink
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I will never understand how red blooded Americans can so feverishly support a country they have never been to half a world away. Even if supporting said country endangers American security. It absolutely boggles my mind how we can gamble on triggering WW3 over these foreign religious wars. They have nothing to do with us here in the states!

hmm
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1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza.
 Quoting: subzero86


Think The poor of Gaza were lucky enough to sleep in bomb shelters while air strikes rained down upon them? Last time I checked, no Israelis were killed today..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19058378


Don't know the answer, but Israel does not "rain fire" down on innocent Palestinians.

The Palestinians are sometimes killed because their terrorist leaders (cowards) build their missile and bomb-making factories in the middle of highly populated civilian areas.

The only way to eliminate them is to be as surgical as possible with Israel's missiles.

Did you see the video of the strike on the Hamas leader's car today? It was a very small, purpose-built missile which took out ONLY the car.

There may have been a scorch burn to the people around the vehicle, and that is truly sad, because like most of us, we go about our days not knowing what evil lurks in the car next to ours...but what must be done, must be done.

Hamas, on the other hand, deliberately targets civilians in order to create terror.

That is why Israel had to build bomb shelters for citizens in harm's way.

Do you see Hamas giving a crap about the civilians in their territories? No...they call them "martyrs", and when they aren't busy working hand-in-hand with the AP to doctor photos to create scenes of carnage that do not exist (see Operation Cast Lead photo scam perpetrated by the AP news service).

Hamas is VERY well funded, and they could build bomb shelters if they wanted to...however, they prefer to be the SOURCE of the terror, and do not care how many of the people around them die. That's why they are called "TERRORISTS".

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bang bang boom right now...rocketfire?

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Ustream channel won't load, anyone have an alt?.

Thanks,
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2 or 3 Loud explosions.

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A salvo of Grad-type rockets was fired in the direction of Beersheba.

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