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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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Off topic question...how does Gaza survive economically? Is there any industry there? They are so crowded and have so little land.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The major agricultural products are strawberries, citrus, dates, olives, flowers, and various vegetables"


but those industries are dying...

 Quoting: Dr. Acula

The major agricultural products are strawberries, citrus, dates, olives, flowers, and various vegetables. Pollution and massive population pressure on water have reduced the productive capacity of the surrounding farms, however

Small-scale industries in the city include the production of plastics, construction materials, textiles, furniture, pottery, tiles, copperware, and carpets.


Israel is helping them? There is a blockade. And they control the water...
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And Mexico? WEED!!!!!!
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This is nothing compared to what's happening in Syria right now, and that's muzzies against muzzies...
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Hamas Leader Dares Israel to Invade Amid Gaza Airstrikes

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Triple Dog Dare....
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yeah...i doubt a ceasefire will happen.
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Damn commercial scared the crap out of me
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Guy doing interview in the background... [link to rt.com]


well, he was,,,
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No they dont. If they want to get a Hamas leader they blast away his known car, or known house, or zoom in on his known cell phone. They know very well if they bomb inside a densely populated refugee camp their surgical capacity is useless,,, So why do it? Terrorism. Plain and simple-..

Then they tell you to tell everyone else it was legitimate. "Hamas cowards. Hiding behind kids. Bad parenting." snicker, snicker, snort snort, "they're only muzzies",,, blah blah.

Not too many people believe that, Dupe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


IDF accepts accidental civilian killing as a side effect of removing Hamas. It's unavoidable.

You don't like it, but you cannot and must not equate it to blowing up civilian buses or night clubs for the sole purpose of killing AS MANY CIVILIANS AS POSSIBLE.
That would be dishonest and you know it.

Israel could kill everyone in Gaza in a few minutes. I'd like you to tell me why they haven't.
 Quoting: ISO


Yes, yes, yes, Likud policy is to kill and maim civilians. They have made it clear numerous times: their rationale is to punish the population for voting Hamas... and to convince them why they should not support them in the future.

Terrorism: to target civilians for a political objective.-..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


You ignored my question. Israel seems highly ineffective at killing civilians. One would think they could take out hundreds of thousands very quickly. Why only 100?
 Quoting: ISO


Because of International Outrage

they gotta make themselves look good
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No they dont. If they want to get a Hamas leader they blast away his known car, or known house, or zoom in on his known cell phone. They know very well if they bomb inside a densely populated refugee camp their surgical capacity is useless,,, So why do it? Terrorism. Plain and simple-..

Then they tell you to tell everyone else it was legitimate. "Hamas cowards. Hiding behind kids. Bad parenting." snicker, snicker, snort snort, "they're only muzzies",,, blah blah.

Not too many people believe that, Dupe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


IDF accepts accidental civilian killing as a side effect of removing Hamas. It's unavoidable.

You don't like it, but you cannot and must not equate it to blowing up civilian buses or night clubs for the sole purpose of killing AS MANY CIVILIANS AS POSSIBLE.
That would be dishonest and you know it.

Israel could kill everyone in Gaza in a few minutes. I'd like you to tell me why they haven't.
 Quoting: ISO


Yes, yes, yes, Likud policy is to kill and maim civilians. They have made it clear numerous times: their rationale is to punish the population for voting Hamas... and to convince them why they should not support them in the future.

Terrorism: to target civilians for a political objective.-..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


You ignored my question. Israel seems highly ineffective at killing civilians. One would think they could take out hundreds of thousands very quickly. Why only 100?
 Quoting: ISO


Because they arent as barbaric as that? The political objective is NOT genocide, it's for them to change their leadership.

Suicide bombing is in the category...

But obviously you arent objective enough to see that. Are you? Question is: why arent you objective? It isnt your fight... it isnt your war... it isnt your friends and relatives being blown apart. It's just a Youtube or two you watch, of one side of other people's misery. lol
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Guy doing interview in the background... [link to rt.com]


well, he was,,,
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From what I heard him say, he expects something to take a couple of days...not sure what the gist was..

I think it was that the ceasefire isn't active yet
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Off topic question...how does Gaza survive economically? Is there any industry there? They are so crowded and have so little land.
 Quoting: littlemiracles


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The major agricultural products are strawberries, citrus, dates, olives, flowers, and various vegetables"


but those industries are dying...

 Quoting: Dr. Acula

The major agricultural products are strawberries, citrus, dates, olives, flowers, and various vegetables. Pollution and massive population pressure on water have reduced the productive capacity of the surrounding farms, however

Small-scale industries in the city include the production of plastics, construction materials, textiles, furniture, pottery, tiles, copperware, and carpets.


Israel is helping them? There is a blockade. And they control the water...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


And Mexico? WEED!!!!!!
 Quoting: ~JustMe~


And not the best, either. :(
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08:31AM Hamas fires eight rockets toward Beersheba; 5 intercepted by Iron Dome !

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08:31AM Hamas fires eight rockets toward Beersheba; 5 intercepted by Iron Dome !

[link to www.jpost.com]
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peaceful cease fire rockets filled with kittens! Oh that wacky Hamas.
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Haaretz.com ‏@haaretzcom

8:30 A.M. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton due to come to #Israel to discuss #Gaza operation #PillarofDefense [link to htz.li]
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IDF accepts accidental civilian killing as a side effect of removing Hamas. It's unavoidable.

You don't like it, but you cannot and must not equate it to blowing up civilian buses or night clubs for the sole purpose of killing AS MANY CIVILIANS AS POSSIBLE.
That would be dishonest and you know it.

Israel could kill everyone in Gaza in a few minutes. I'd like you to tell me why they haven't.
 Quoting: ISO


Yes, yes, yes, Likud policy is to kill and maim civilians. They have made it clear numerous times: their rationale is to punish the population for voting Hamas... and to convince them why they should not support them in the future.

Terrorism: to target civilians for a political objective.-..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


You ignored my question. Israel seems highly ineffective at killing civilians. One would think they could take out hundreds of thousands very quickly. Why only 100?
 Quoting: ISO


Because they arent as barbaric as that? The political objective is NOT genocide, it's for them to change their leadership.

Suicide bombing is in the category...

But obviously you arent objective enough to see that. Are you? Question is: why arent you objective? It isnt your fight... it isnt your war... it isnt your friends and relatives being blown apart. It's just a Youtube or two you watch, of one side of other people's misery. lol
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Mexico you really should not talk.. There are more deaths there everyday than since this conflict started,,
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Looks to me like they do there best not to have civilian casualties

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PROPAGANDA

The whole web is drowning in propaganda...from both sides...

The truth is somewhere there in the mix but certainly not on GLP...
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If you want to red karma me at least have the balls to sign it ....roll on the red karma i dont really care. THe truth is the truth and in this world the truth is ALWAYS buried in a pile of bullshit.
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good morning everybody!
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Good morning
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Yes, yes, yes, Likud policy is to kill and maim civilians. They have made it clear numerous times: their rationale is to punish the population for voting Hamas... and to convince them why they should not support them in the future.

Terrorism: to target civilians for a political objective.-..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


You ignored my question. Israel seems highly ineffective at killing civilians. One would think they could take out hundreds of thousands very quickly. Why only 100?
 Quoting: ISO


Because they arent as barbaric as that? The political objective is NOT genocide, it's for them to change their leadership.

Suicide bombing is in the category...

But obviously you arent objective enough to see that. Are you? Question is: why arent you objective? It isnt your fight... it isnt your war... it isnt your friends and relatives being blown apart. It's just a Youtube or two you watch, of one side of other people's misery. lol
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Mexico you really should not talk.. There are more deaths there everyday than since this conflict started,,
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Your not allowed an opinion when your own country is worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Haaretz.com ‏@haaretzcom

8:30 A.M. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton due to come to #Israel to discuss #Gaza operation #PillarofDefense [link to htz.li]
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Looks to me like they do there best not to have civilian casualties

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PROPAGANDA

The whole web is drowning in propaganda...from both sides...

The truth is somewhere there in the mix but certainly not on GLP...
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If you want to red karma me at least have the balls to sign it ....roll on the red karma i dont really care. THe truth is the truth and in this world the truth is ALWAYS buried in a pile of bullshit.
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I didn't say anything or give bad karma
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good morning everybody!
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Good morning
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Looks to me like they do there best not to have civilian casualties

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 Quoting: reaperz73


PROPAGANDA

The whole web is drowning in propaganda...from both sides...

The truth is somewhere there in the mix but certainly not on GLP...
 Quoting: taniatarn


If you want to red karma me at least have the balls to sign it ....roll on the red karma i dont really care. THe truth is the truth and in this world the truth is ALWAYS buried in a pile of bullshit.
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I didn't say anything or give bad karma
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Geez I didn't even see your first post .
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good morning everybody!
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Morning! hf
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good morning everybody!
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good morning everybody!
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Good morning :)
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Rocks and Molotov Cocktails Mark a New Intifada in Judea and Samaria


The fire from Gaza has been spreading to Judea and Samaria in recent days, with a steady increase in the number of attacks and violent riots against Jewish civilians and against the security forces. Around 10 PM Monday, Arabs threw several Molotov cocktails at an Egged bus near the community of Adam. Arabs also burned two tires on the road, the Jewish Voice reported.

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In demonstrations outside Rachel’s Tomb Arabs threw 73 Molotov cocktails at the tomb’s compound and at the security forces there. Two rioters were seriously injured by a gas grenade that hit their heads, and seven more were injured only lightly from rubber bullets.

During the day the IDF killed two Arabs when they were throwing Molotov cocktails. One was killed near Halhul, while he was throwing a petrol bomb at IDF soldiers. Earlier an Arab was shot and killed while throwing a Molotov cocktail at the Jewish community of Hebron.

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good morning everybody!
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Morning! hf
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Damn, ISO.

That shows what an INTENTIONAL killing of innocent people is.

BIG difference.
 Quoting: FUGUM


Dude, you DO realize that what ISO showed -- and I myself have refused to look even ONCE because my imagination is as such that once I see it, then I have seen it all....

well, the 2004 Jerusalem bombing is lieterally one of 100 such attempted once ---- and that's not counting OTHER forms of HAMAS, Islamic Jihad & Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade attacks on Israeli CIVILIANS --- until IDF broke the back of Intifada & erected that Separation Barrier (which every "enlightened" Western country condemned, by the way as being "too restrictive" on Palestians, yes you can't make this shit up!)

Listerning to Hamas defenders and Hamas themselves, you realize it's truly ORWELLIAN. You see, the poseurs & phony Liberals always tell you that what Orwell was warning us about was either Communist OR Fascist Totalitarian society. And true enough, there are dangers of either of those extremes materializing some time in the future (as they had been in the past in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, etc..)

However, the truth is: ISLAMIC 1984 is already here.

For instance that's how these POS trolls were able to turn:

--Jewish independece & self-determination INTO..."Nakba"
--Mass-murder of Jewish civilians by Paradise-seeking scum INTO... "resistance"
--Jews Abraham, Moses, Jesus INTO....Muslims (yes 1000+ years before Islam, LOL!)
--Holocast INTO..."HoloHoax"
--Calls for elimination of an entire nation born out of Holocaust INTO "noble Palestinian freedom-fighting"


Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we're rapidly approaching Islamic 1984. Except, even Orwell couldn't envision the full extent of its sly evilness in his worst nightmared!
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PROPAGANDA

The whole web is drowning in propaganda...from both sides...

The truth is somewhere there in the mix but certainly not on GLP...
 Quoting: taniatarn


If you want to red karma me at least have the balls to sign it ....roll on the red karma i dont really care. THe truth is the truth and in this world the truth is ALWAYS buried in a pile of bullshit.
 Quoting: taniatarn


I didn't say anything or give bad karma
 Quoting: reaperz73


Geez I didn't even see your first post .
 Quoting: reaperz73


But I agree there may be disinfo on both sides. Mybe
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IDF accepts accidental civilian killing as a side effect of removing Hamas. It's unavoidable.

You don't like it, but you cannot and must not equate it to blowing up civilian buses or night clubs for the sole purpose of killing AS MANY CIVILIANS AS POSSIBLE.
That would be dishonest and you know it.

Israel could kill everyone in Gaza in a few minutes. I'd like you to tell me why they haven't.
 Quoting: ISO


Yes, yes, yes, Likud policy is to kill and maim civilians. They have made it clear numerous times: their rationale is to punish the population for voting Hamas... and to convince them why they should not support them in the future.

Terrorism: to target civilians for a political objective.-..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


You ignored my question. Israel seems highly ineffective at killing civilians. One would think they could take out hundreds of thousands very quickly. Why only 100?
 Quoting: ISO


Because they arent as barbaric as that? The political objective is NOT genocide, it's for them to change their leadership.

Suicide bombing is in the category...

But obviously you arent objective enough to see that. Are you? Question is: why arent you objective? It isnt your fight... it isnt your war... it isnt your friends and relatives being blown apart. It's just a Youtube or two you watch, of one side of other people's misery. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Thank you for the level headed answers, and lack of attacks that others may employ. Thank you for noticing that the goal is not genocide. That's a sticking point I have with activists.

The reason I side with Israel in general is because when I look at the way each side attacks the other, I see a genuine goal of killing little toddlers and other emotionally heavy targets from the Palestinians, as seen in their suicide bombings. I do not see Israel intentionally blowing up buses of children or night clubs full of college kids. I see innocents getting killed as side effects.

It could be argued that no accidental killings should be permitted and therefore attacking Hamas in Gaza shouldn't be permitted. That of course wouldn't be possible if rockets are coming by the hundreds, hoping to hit children as they go to and go home from school. Yes, Hamas times rocket attacks to coincide with the times elementary schools are opening, and letting out.

I feel the same way about you as far as being "fair". It would seem that you insist on moral equivalency when clearly it is the Palestinian mode of operation to try to kill toddlers. That's their prized target, and that's what enrages the world in such unwaiverable ways against Palestinians.

None of this is to say I blame regular citizens of Gaza hating Israel after their loved ones get killed. I don't. But remembering the suicide bombings is key.
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PROPAGANDA

The whole web is drowning in propaganda...from both sides...

The truth is somewhere there in the mix but certainly not on GLP...
 Quoting: taniatarn


If you want to red karma me at least have the balls to sign it ....roll on the red karma i dont really care. THe truth is the truth and in this world the truth is ALWAYS buried in a pile of bullshit.
 Quoting: taniatarn


I didn't say anything or give bad karma
 Quoting: reaperz73


Geez I didn't even see your first post .
 Quoting: reaperz73

hugs
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