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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

[link to www.mfa.gov.il (secure)]

WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
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just level them. don't worry about money.
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HURRY UP AND NUKE THE MUZZ
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DO NOT BE LEFT IN THE DARKNESS…………..


How do we know that the exile is almost finished, and the final redemption must be near. ?



Well first of all It is written concerning the Final Redemption:



It shall come to be on that day that the Lord will once again show His hand… And He will gather in the dispersed ones of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:11-12)



It is know that in the era of the Redemption itself will come the end of the exile, rebuilding the Temple, gathering all the Jewish people, bringing them back to Israel, and the Messiah will usher in an age of universal peace.



According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics there were 13,421,000 Jews worldwide in 2010.

On the eve of Israel’s 62nd Independence Day (2010) 5,726,000 Jews live in Israel.



ONE SHOULD NOTICE THAT THIS IS A BIG STEP TOWARD THE COMPLETION OF THE REDEPTION.

ALMOST HALF OF THE JEW’S IN THE WORLD HAVE ALREADY BEEN “GATHERED” AS HAS BEEN PROPHESIEZED AND LIVE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL

RIGHT NOW !



THIS IS NOT A SMALL THING.

READ MORE


THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE
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...


lmao...like you give a fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28128250


i do, actually, i wish they had somewhere to go
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


How gratuitous of you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


it's not gratuitous, israelis and palestinians are both victims of other interests, this is the frontline of greater players, i'm a human being and i am not disconnected from their suffering, but that doesnt lead me to hate israelis, unlike the trolls here
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


My bad...
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DO NOT BE LEFT IN THE DARKNESS…………..


How do we know that the exile is almost finished, and the final redemption must be near. ?



Well first of all It is written concerning the Final Redemption:



It shall come to be on that day that the Lord will once again show His hand… And He will gather in the dispersed ones of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:11-12)



It is know that in the era of the Redemption itself will come the end of the exile, rebuilding the Temple, gathering all the Jewish people, bringing them back to Israel, and the Messiah will usher in an age of universal peace.



According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics there were 13,421,000 Jews worldwide in 2010.

On the eve of Israel’s 62nd Independence Day (2010) 5,726,000 Jews live in Israel.



ONE SHOULD NOTICE THAT THIS IS A BIG STEP TOWARD THE COMPLETION OF THE REDEPTION.

ALMOST HALF OF THE JEW’S IN THE WORLD HAVE ALREADY BEEN “GATHERED” AS HAS BEEN PROPHESIEZED AND LIVE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL

RIGHT NOW !



THIS IS NOT A SMALL THING.

READ MORE


THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE
[link to godssecret.wordpress.com (secure)]
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hf

darkness is greatest before the light of day
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran says Palestinians in the Gaza Strip should be "equipped" to defend themselves against Israel.

But Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast refused to comment on Israeli allegations that Iran is already sending arms to Gaza, which has been under Israel's attack since last week in retaliation for rockets fired by Hamas into Israel.

[link to m.yahoo.com]
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...


i do, actually, i wish they had somewhere to go
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


How gratuitous of you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


it's not gratuitous, israelis and palestinians are both victims of other interests, this is the frontline of greater players, i'm a human being and i am not disconnected from their suffering, but that doesnt lead me to hate israelis, unlike the trolls here
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


My bad...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Although telling Palestinians "you wish they had somewhere else to go", is like telling the Native Americans to get off our land...
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Michael Oren on Israel Radio: Obama in no shape or form has vetoed a ground invasion in Gaza
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So that means he told Israel no. I bet that pissed off Bibi.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15193147



Netty doesn't need an excuse to defend the homeland.


Obmammy can shove it.
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
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good morning everyone. what happened here? i read a few pages backwards and ... woah ... well, nevermind. something new down there in gaza, new developments since page 678 worth noticing to get up to date?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129060


Same, same.
One rocket from Gaza injured a person in Israel seriously.
Clinton will ruin the party, arriving tomorrow
 Quoting: Limpan


thanks for the update. clinton will come and walk about the ruins presenting a concerned face? oh my, that's a total drag then. so, it's enjoy as long as it lasts, isn't it then?
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OMG reuters is a bad hum.............dcomp
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1 seriusly injured in Eshkol.


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Meanwhile Netanyahu is looking for the quickest way to back down possible. FUcking sickening.
 Quoting: ISO


He should ground war and have done with it or carpet bomb the whole of Gazza.


Tell the muzzies to get out or face certain death , carpet bomb then say there... fire another rocket from that ya bastards
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Seriously. It's uncompromising "purists" like you who will bring Shelley Yachimovich or Yair Lapid to power. And then it's over!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231



Yes, as much as Bibi may be handling or mishandling this whole affair, may G-d help Israel if the likes of these two ever rise to power,
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Whoa, don't lay this on G-d.

It's on Israelis who SHOULD know better.

They got played by Shimon Peres's Siren Song of Peace...back in 1992.... and now really should have learned their lesson.

Same with Obama. So many Republicans got tired of supporting Bush, preferred to have a civil war within Republican Party between GOP Establishment, Tea Party and Paul tarfs >>>>>>>>>>> and Obama managed to steal the election right under Romney's nose because of all that GOP disunity.

If Nrtanuahu is not going into Gaza, it's because:

1) The benefits do NOT justify the huge risks & economic costs associated with a month-long war/occupation. If Bibi believes Hamas has no chemical WMD or significant stockspiles of Fajr-5 type weapons... if he believes Iranin Command & Control and spy bunkers have all been taken out from the air..... then what should he go into Hell-on-earth like Gaza?

2) He doesn't want to be distracted from Iran (and Hezbollah) which will be a far bigger fight.

3) Obama & EU have expressely forbidden the operation, threatening to withhold the UNSC Veto if Bibi disobeys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


I think you may be misinterpreting me. I'm not laying this on G-d in the past tense. Of course the voting public in Israel are old enough to be accountable for their decisions. In the future, however, when things go off the rails G-d will be called on for help due to their poor decisions.
I agree with your points 1) and 2) but on point 3) I'm not sure it's as clear cut as an outright red light on an invasion. Do you have evidence?
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Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


My opinion is equally as important as yours or that of any other poster here. Now get over yourself already! Everyone else has!
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran says Palestinians in the Gaza Strip should be "equipped" to defend themselves against Israel.

But Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast refused to comment on Israeli allegations that Iran is already sending arms to Gaza, which has been under Israel's attack since last week in retaliation for rockets fired by Hamas into Israel.

[link to m.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: Limpan


They're right.

A boxing fight is only fair when both of the opponents are wearing boxing gloves.
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

[link to www.mfa.gov.il (secure)]

WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129016


But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

[link to www.mfa.gov.il (secure)]

WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129016


But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231



AlJazeera is owned by the Saudis if i'm not mistaken, and they respond/are loyal to the west as long as they buy up their dirty oil.

Faaaail 5a
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran says Palestinians in the Gaza Strip should be "equipped" to defend themselves against Israel.

But Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast refused to comment on Israeli allegations that Iran is already sending arms to Gaza, which has been under Israel's attack since last week in retaliation for rockets fired by Hamas into Israel.

[link to m.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: Limpan


Was he even asked the question?

Iran has previously denied it had directly supplied Hamas with Iranian-made Fajr-5 missiles that (....) have hit near Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

The article quotes speculations, or straight misinfo, by the Likud govt (correct me if I am wrong), not even the journalistic nicety of saying (... "allegedly"...).

The internet is a jungle... lol
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RABAT - Morocco announced on Sunday it will set up a field hospital in the Gaza Strip to help Palestinians injured in Israeli air strikes, which the king described as "military aggression" in a statement.

Mohammed VI "ordered the immediate setting up of a Moroccan field hospital in the Gaza Strip," which will include medical staff from "the armed forces as well as Moroccan civilian doctors and paramedics," the statement from the royal palace said.

The hospital was designed to "reinforce existing medical capabilities" in the territory, it added.
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

[link to www.mfa.gov.il (secure)]

WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129016


But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


LOL!

I do not say that i support Israel, however, they are both to blame for the ongoing situation
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Why can't Middle Eastern countries stop fighting each other?
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How Hamas gets there weapons

Just after midnight on October 24, a series of loud explosions shook a neighborhood on the southern outskirts of the Sudanese capital, Khartoum. Within minutes, flames shooting skyward illuminated the area, and the Yarmouk Industrial Complex was consumed by fire.

Witnesses said they heard planes in the area, and a subsequent analysis of satellite images revealed six large craters “each approximately 16 meters [52 feet] wide … and consistent with craters created by air-delivered munitions,” according to the Satellite Sentinel Project, a non-governmental organization that analyzed DigitalGlobe imagery.


[link to security.blogs.cnn.com]
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


I'm shamelessly pro Israel...If you happen to think I have an insatiable blood because of that fact...

...well, I don't give a fuck.

Seriously.

0 fucks will be given.

Infact...

I actually enjoy the fact that you seem so disturbed by what you've read here.

It really makes me happy...you know, "all warm and fuzzy inside".

hugs
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Seriously. It's uncompromising "purists" like you who will bring Shelley Yachimovich or Yair Lapid to power. And then it's over!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231



Yes, as much as Bibi may be handling or mishandling this whole affair, may G-d help Israel if the likes of these two ever rise to power,
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Whoa, don't lay this on G-d.

It's on Israelis who SHOULD know better.

They got played by Shimon Peres's Siren Song of Peace...back in 1992.... and now really should have learned their lesson.

Same with Obama. So many Republicans got tired of supporting Bush, preferred to have a civil war within Republican Party between GOP Establishment, Tea Party and Paul tarfs >>>>>>>>>>> and Obama managed to steal the election right under Romney's nose because of all that GOP disunity.

If Nrtanuahu is not going into Gaza, it's because:

1) The benefits do NOT justify the huge risks & economic costs associated with a month-long war/occupation. If Bibi believes Hamas has no chemical WMD or significant stockspiles of Fajr-5 type weapons... if he believes Iranin Command & Control and spy bunkers have all been taken out from the air..... then what should he go into Hell-on-earth like Gaza?

2) He doesn't want to be distracted from Iran (and Hezbollah) which will be a far bigger fight.

3) Obama & EU have expressely forbidden the operation, threatening to withhold the UNSC Veto if Bibi disobeys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


I think you may be misinterpreting me. I'm not laying this on G-d in the past tense. Of course the voting public in Israel are old enough to be accountable for their decisions. In the future, however, when things go off the rails G-d will be called on for help due to their poor decisions.
I agree with your points 1) and 2) but on point 3) I'm not sure it's as clear cut as an outright red light on an invasion. Do you have evidence?
 Quoting: my 2 cents


What do you mean? I said EITHER #1, #2 OR #3 ---- Bibi only needs one of those reasons and Gaza operation is OFF.

And don't under-estimate Obama's leverage here. It's one thing before the election, he couldn't have threatened Netanyahu too much because had Bibi launched a solo war against Hezbollah or Iran, then world ecnomy would have crashed in the short-term, which would have doomed Obama's re-election chances.

Post elections, Bibi no longer has that sword hanging over Obama's head. While Obama has a few big cards, including the aformentioned UN Security Council VETO --- without the use of which, Israel's economy would have been strangled long time ago by sanctions, boycott and divestment. Right or wrong, that's just the way world is.

Bibi knows it. He is not stupid, nor is he a coward. If Gaza War is NO-go, then there MUST be a big reason why. I mentioned the main 3.
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


I'm shamelessly pro Israel...If you happen to think I have an insatiable blood because of that fact...

...well, I don't give a fuck.

Seriously.

0 fucks will be given.

Infact...

I actually enjoy the fact that you seem so disturbed by what you've read here.

It really makes me happy...you know, "all warm and fuzzy inside".

hugs
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that's to be expected.
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
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My opinion is equally as important as yours or that of any other poster here. Now get over yourself already! Everyone else has!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


you tell him...that AC above is just a self important arsehole Jew...seems what this thread has attracted.
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

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WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
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But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
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80 tons of supplies: worthless (to MSM)
1 dead Gaza Arab baby: priceless (to MSM)
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PBS news KWAME HOLMAN: Within days, Iran will be ready to double its production of weapons-grade enriched uranium. The International Atomic Energy Agency reported the finding today. It means Tehran could be within three months of obtaining enough uranium for a nuclear warhead. Iran has insisted it has no plans to make nuclear weapons, but it refuses to stop its enrichment program.
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Re: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire
On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

[link to www.mfa.gov.il (secure)]

WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129016


But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


Israel carefully, oh so carefully controls their border with Gaza. They readily admit it's a blockade. It's not a free flow of goods and services. The humanitarian aid is from UN agencies (refugee relief), and you can be sure that Israel is reimbursed. So yeah it's free electricity to Gaza, but Israel profits... lol

On the other hand, Sinai and Gaza trade is a free enterprise unrestricted thriving exchange... unless, on rare occasions, the tunnels arent operating...
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Why can't Middle Eastern countries stop fighting each other?
 Quoting: TheDude99

When Arabs stop attacking Israel there will be peace.
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Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin

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