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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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It costs $40.000 per missile fired by the Iron Dome to intercept one every Hamas rocket...I wonder how much longer Israel can take this kind of pounding !
 Quoting: mrmuffins69


they will just keep printing money
 Quoting: subzero86


Israel's currency is not used as a world wide reserve ! So Israel cannot print money like the FED without inflation skyrocketing !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16158284


Don't worry about it guys. Us folks here in states will put on our credit card. When I get up in the morning to go to my shit job, I take pleasure knowing my tax dollars are going to good use.
 Quoting: Redpaw360


...


Is it Israel's leaders calling to "Wipe (Iran) from the map"?

No..it is Iran's leader, who believes he can bring the coming of the 12th mahdi by killing all Israelis and Americans.

Israel has the absolute right to defend herself against overt aggression (suicide vests, rockets from Gaza and Golan, etc..)

You think Israel is "staging" this bloodshed as an excuse to attack Iran? This is a distraction KEEPING them from attacking.

If they are so busy defending their own borders (please note that IRAN provides 100% of the weaponry to Hezbollah), they have little time or resources to attack Iran.

The latest round of targeted attacks is a direct response from Grad rockets launched against Israel, without provocation.

So, if the beast offends, cut off it's head...which is exactly what Israel did in that beautifully surgical strike on the moving vehicle containing the terrorist head of Hamas.

Before you go flapping your jaw in hatred, please get your facts straight.

There has never, not once, been an Israeli use of force without provocation and bloodshed by terrorist elements first.

Look it up...you'll see.

But back to the point: If Israel does create several smoking holes in the ground in Iran where their nuke facilities used to be, that is their right, when Iran's "president" has threatened to eliminate the State of Israel literally hundreds of times.

There comes a time when you have to start believing their rhetoric and take decisive action.

What is Israel supposed to do? Wait until Iran launches a nuke against them and then respond with what is left of their arsenal?

Israel is a very small country, and cannot afford to risk a nuclear attack.

They should never have to go to sleep at night wondering if tomorrow is the day Iran decides to wipe them from the earth in some sick agenda to bring about the "12th Mahdi".

Religious zealots in Iran are just that...zealots.

The will stop at nothing until they accomplish their goal...and they keep biding time and building more and more nuclear facilities, installing more and more centrifuges. Why? They don't need nuclear energy plants...they have more oil than they know what to do with, so that defeats their "we need energy for our homes" B.S. argument.

Yes...there may come a day when Israel attacks Iran, and I can honestly say that scares me...but are YOU going to stop Iran from trying to wipe-out Israel?

Is the US president going to do anything to help Israel? No...which is why Isreal's leaders know they are standing alone in a very cruel world.

:idfbar:
 Quoting: Fat Albert


Except, Ahmadinejad never called to wipe Israel off the map. That was blatant disinformation, this information came out many years ago but supporters of the terrorist state Israel still use it as justification of eradicating Iran.
LOL, and you're forgetting that every time Israel makes some bold claim against it's neighbors, Americans die. If your little war happens guess who gets to fund it and die in it? Americans. Every. fucking. time.
And this isn't "hatred". I'm assuming you think me antisemite because I don't support Israel. Whatever, I just don't like seeing my countrymen dying because the idiots in charge of Israel can't act civilized.
 Quoting: jadksn 27785061


Your countrymen? Iranians?

We don't hate the Iranian people, only the "Twelver" antichrist wannabe named "Ahmahinedad".

Follow the links to see your "fearless leader" threatening to wipe Israel off the map, or kill them, or whatever. Let's not get hung-up on semantics, but the spirit of what he is saying:

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Oh, and your peace-loving Iranian leadership had two of it's "fighter jets" launch missiles against a US drone in INTERNATIONAL WATERS...and they both missed. What a laugh!

Your "air farce" can't even hit an unarmed drone with TWO fighter jets?

I fart in your general direction.
 Quoting: Fat Albert


[link to www.fair.org]

This "wipe Israel off the map" is just a war slogan for Americans. Because Israel is such a big fucking vagina that they need Americans to fight and fund their wars for them. I have no allegiance or even warm feelings towards Iran or that hot-headed prick Ahmadinejad, but I can see a great injustice has been done to them.
The fact is, Ahmadinejad has never called for the destruction of Israel. Never. Not once. But the effort was successful in ensuring the sycophant masses wouldn't care when terrorist state Israhell vaporized an entire people with nuclear weapons.
This would be different if it were only your own people dying for this stupid little argument over who's god is better, but MY people will die because of it.
So fuck you and your terrorist regime!
 Quoting: jadksn 27785061


No, fuck you for shilling for stupidity. The entire world watched Iran declare that Israel will be wiped off the face of the map... While standing at the UN Podium.

Who do you think you are trying to fool?.


Except, that NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED DUMBSHIT.
WE'VE BEEN LIED TO BECAUSE ISRAEL WANTS OUR SHIT!

[link to thelede.blogs.nytimes.com]

Seriously, find a new slogan for war! Even Israel has outed this one!
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A baby has been seriously injured in southern Israel from rocket attack on house.
Are any of you who cry for Gaza's children going to cry for the Israeli baby?
Protest on Israel's behalf maybe?
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[link to www.haaretz.com]
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Israeli TV: Three people were killed after Gaza rockets hit southern Israel.

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Morning!!
Holly, ground invasion coming

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#Hamas cleric: "Annihilation of the Jews here in Palestine is one of the most splendid blessings for Palestine
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Yep, Hamas is such a wonderful partner for peace.

Hmm, the "enlightened" world community always loves to justify all the Palestinian atrocities with the "67 lines" knee-jerk excuse.

Notice how the Hamas cleric did NOT mention 1967 lines. Nor did he say "Zionists". Nor even "Israelis".

No, he specifically said JEWS. They want to kill Jews to please Allah.

Points for honesty, Mr. Hamas Spritual Leader Man.

(Which is more than I can say for the "moderate" Arafat & Abbas who share the same goal as Hamas, only they will put on a show in broken English for the gullible Western bleeding-hearts about "peace"...)
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Israel and it's Jewish mystics aren't any better, it's just there is less of them.
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live Israeli coverage in Hebrew but lots of footage

[link to www.flatplanet.tv]
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[link to www.flatplanet.tv]
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A baby has been seriously injured in southern Israel from rocket attack on house.
Are any of you who cry for Gaza's children going to cry for the Israeli baby?
Protest on Israel's behalf maybe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20068093


The loss of innocent lives on both sides is sickening.
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Fuck this petty shit and bring out the nukes!peace
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Americans are dumb fks. So fking dumb they might get the drones out to kill a few more kiddies.scheming
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Let me ask you this,
When somebody tries to punch you in the face,
how many times do you duck before you try to know them the fuck out?!
Dumb are we?
Maybe you should rethink that line.
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Jabri funeral now in Gaza
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live Israeli coverage in Hebrew but lots of footage

[link to www.flatplanet.tv]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Thanks.
Just one any....

The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything...

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Americans are dumb fks. So fking dumb they might get the drones out to kill a few more kiddies.scheming
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26532944


Let me ask you this,
When somebody tries to punch you in the face,
how many times do you duck before you try to knock them the fuck out?!
Dumb are we?
Maybe you should rethink that line.
[/quote

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i predict a dirty bomb or some b-c weapon blowing tel aviv in the skies within 48 hrs......
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Iron Dom needs an updateexplosion
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i predict a dirty bomb or some b-c weapon blowing tel aviv in the skies within 48 hrs......
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That will surely bring on a war.
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Iron Dom needs an updateexplosion
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steel dome or platin dome then?
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Four rockets that were fired at Beersheba were intercepted. (Ilana Curiel)

An air raid siren sounded in Beersheba, Hof Ashkelon Regional Council and the city of Ashkelon.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15761277


It costs $40.000 per missile fired by the Iron Dome to intercept one every Hamas rocket...I wonder how much longer Israel can take this kind of pounding !
 Quoting: subzero86


Subzero86,

I tried to explain this to you before. Each intercept may cost 30,000-40,000 US dollars, but it's a BARGAIN when you consider

1) Lives & property saved (imagine if a rocket were to hit a CEO of Intel-Israel division and also kill his daughter -- you may have an international scandal on your hands and all kinds of lawsuits)

2) Saves huge costs in medical care & rescue services avoid for the dead, dying as well as serious non-fatal injuries from shrapnel. Easily in millions of dollars when counted surgery, ICU costs + long-term rehab & medication (plus, again, potential lawsuits against Israeli government)

3) The prestige of Israeli military industry, the Iron Dome project in particular. Remember, Iron Dome is very young, developed in record short period of time just over 2 years. It needs battle-testing & modification. For example: the 1st battery was first used in combat in April 2011. The 5th battery has just gone on-line a few weeks ago. Only 2 years apart between them, but in terms of technological capability, the 5th battery is YEARS ahead of the 1st one, in radar, in software, in the Tamir interceptor that can now even intercept larger Iranian rockets like Fajr-5 and Zelzal (remember, Iron Dome was originally only supposed to deal with much smaller mortar, homemade Qassam & Grad).

4) Additional US aid has pretty much paid for most of Iron Dome. So the "real" price Israel pays for Intercept is not 35,000 but more like 5,000 dollars. The rest comes out of the military aid.

5) Once Iron Dome version 2.0 is battle tested against bigger rockets & salvos.... South Korea, Singapur, Colombia and of course US would LOVE to buy it --- so in the end, Israel might actually make PROFIT from Iron Dome.

6) Iron Dome gives Israeli government flexibility to be patient and PREVENTS large-scale operations like Castlead. Considering that between March 2011 and now there have been whopping 6-7 seperate escalations by the Gaza jihadists, with literally 1,000 total rockets fired at Israel.... you potentially are talking about more than 1 Castlead in that time span.

And remember, Castlead alone cost 2 billion dollars in operations costs & paralyzed economy in the South. And of course it led to the libelous Goldstone Report & gave pretext to that cunt Erdogan to severe ties with Israel. So that too carries a big price tag in the longer-run.

Now multiply that by several Castlead-type operations.

You're talking billions of dollars... that Iron Dome potentially saved. To quote Donald Trump, it's "OOOJE".

7) And its experience is proving invaluable as far as Israel's new missile defense system, David's Sling, is concerned. Orinally, Israel was going to RUSH David's Sling or Magic Wand as it's also known in time for 2012. The version would have been far from optimal, very skeletal. But since Iron Dome 2.0 version has shown potential during testing, Israel probably made a decision that they will take their sweet time with Magic Wand and when it's finished in 2014, it will be super-advanced. Win-win situation.

Sorry, I am tired, but something along those lines, Subzero86.
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Okay, so, Gaza strip has less night vision goggles, except for what Iran and Russia and Hollywood has sent them. So..is Israeli ground attack put off until nightfall now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27772469


anybody got any real opinions on this or are we just going to do the screw Israel dance for awhile?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27772469


One need only look at the name of the operation and find its biblical reference. Operation Pillar of Cloud
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14571878


well, I did consider that. Wasn't sure how literally to take it.

I thought I remembered the ground attack the last time being at night however to give Israel and extra advantage.
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I say they go Sampson and get this show on the road.
Id love if they found a peaceful soltion to thir problems, but no muslim or muslim lover will be happy with an agreement unless it includes robbing people of their land. Or wiping her off the map. You all want to take sides with groups that support radical muslims? Go for it. But Im not.
 Quoting: Junie


Sampson is not an option for many reasons ! The amount of innocent civilians killed in such a strike would be unimaginable !

And also the nuclear fallout will rain down on Israeli cities once the winds shift direction !
 Quoting: subzero86


It certainly is an option.
If they are going to be attacked from all sides, she will use that option. No doubt about that. What would they have to lose facing annihalation from all sides?
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It is an absolute last resort option !
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I say they go Sampson and get this show on the road.
Id love if they found a peaceful soltion to thir problems, but no muslim or muslim lover will be happy with an agreement unless it includes robbing people of their land. Or wiping her off the map. You all want to take sides with groups that support radical muslims? Go for it. But Im not.
 Quoting: Junie


Sampson is not an option for many reasons ! The amount of innocent civilians killed in such a strike would be unimaginable !

And also the nuclear fallout will rain down on Israeli cities once the winds shift direction !
 Quoting: subzero86


It certainly is an option.
If they are going to be attacked from all sides, she will use that option. No doubt about that. What would they have to lose facing annihalation from all sides?
 Quoting: Junie


It is an absolute last resort option !
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Absolutely agree. I just think we are fast approaching that last resort.
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live Israeli coverage in Hebrew but lots of footage

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Thanks.

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hamas celebrating death of "zionist pigs".......
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A baby has been seriously injured in southern Israel from rocket attack on house.
Are any of you who cry for Gaza's children going to cry for the Israeli baby?
Protest on Israel's behalf maybe?
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verysad
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Okay, so, Gaza strip has less night vision goggles, except for what Iran and Russia and Hollywood has sent them. So..is Israeli ground attack put off until nightfall now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27772469


anybody got any real opinions on this or are we just going to do the screw Israel dance for awhile?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27772469


One need only look at the name of the operation and find its biblical reference. Operation Pillar of Cloud
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14571878


well, I did consider that. Wasn't sure how literally to take it.

I thought I remembered the ground attack the last time being at night however to give Israel and extra advantage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27772469


If they do a ground invasion, it will be at night. They have the tactical advantage...The Gazans have the will, that the israelis don't.
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Sampson is not an option for many reasons ! The amount of innocent civilians killed in such a strike would be unimaginable !

And also the nuclear fallout will rain down on Israeli cities once the winds shift direction !
 Quoting: subzero86


It certainly is an option.
If they are going to be attacked from all sides, she will use that option. No doubt about that. What would they have to lose facing annihalation from all sides?
 Quoting: Junie


It is an absolute last resort option !
 Quoting: subzero86


Absolutely agree. I just think we are fast approaching that last resort.
 Quoting: Junie


Let's pray that it never gets to that ! The fallout from nuking the entire middle east would spread not only to Israel but around the globe !

It will also lead to a much wider conflict => WW3 and that is something none of us want !
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rocket just took off....

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Subzero86,

I tried to explain this to you before. Each intercept may cost 30,000-40,000 US dollars, but it's a BARGAIN when you consider

1) Lives & property saved (imagine if a rocket were to hit a CEO of Intel-Israel division and also kill his daughter -- you may have an international scandal on your hands and all kinds of lawsuits)

2) Saves huge costs in medical care & rescue services avoid for the dead, dying as well as serious non-fatal injuries from shrapnel. Easily in millions of dollars when counted surgery, ICU costs + long-term rehab & medication (plus, again, potential lawsuits against Israeli government)

3) The prestige of Israeli military industry, the Iron Dome project in particular. Remember, Iron Dome is very young, developed in record short period of time just over 2 years. It needs battle-testing & modification. For example: the 1st battery was first used in combat in April 2011. The 5th battery has just gone on-line a few weeks ago. Only 2 years apart between them, but in terms of technological capability, the 5th battery is YEARS ahead of the 1st one, in radar, in software, in the Tamir interceptor that can now even intercept larger Iranian rockets like Fajr-5 and Zelzal (remember, Iron Dome was originally only supposed to deal with much smaller mortar, homemade Qassam & Grad).

4) Additional US aid has pretty much paid for most of Iron Dome. So the "real" price Israel pays for Intercept is not 35,000 but more like 5,000 dollars. The rest comes out of the military aid.

5) Once Iron Dome version 2.0 is battle tested against bigger rockets & salvos.... South Korea, Singapur, Colombia and of course US would LOVE to buy it --- so in the end, Israel might actually make PROFIT from Iron Dome.

6) Iron Dome gives Israeli government flexibility to be patient and PREVENTS large-scale operations like Castlead. Considering that between March 2011 and now there have been whopping 6-7 seperate escalations by the Gaza jihadists, with literally 1,000 total rockets fired at Israel.... you potentially are talking about more than 1 Castlead in that time span.

And remember, Castlead alone cost 2 billion dollars in operations costs & paralyzed economy in the South. And of course it led to the libelous Goldstone Report & gave pretext to that cunt Erdogan to severe ties with Israel. So that too carries a big price tag in the longer-run.

Now multiply that by several Castlead-type operations.

You're talking billions of dollars... that Iron Dome potentially saved. To quote Donald Trump, it's "OOOJE".

7) And its experience is proving invaluable as far as Israel's new missile defense system, David's Sling, is concerned. Orinally, Israel was going to RUSH David's Sling or Magic Wand as it's also known in time for 2012. The version would have been far from optimal, very skeletal. But since Iron Dome 2.0 version has shown potential during testing, Israel probably made a decision that they will take their sweet time with Magic Wand and when it's finished in 2014, it will be super-advanced. Win-win situation.

Sorry, I am tired, but something along those lines, Subzero86.
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Thank you for your input, much appreciated ! thumbs
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I will pray as I was told to do so, but Im fully aware of whats coming. If I had it in my power I would remove every single innocent life that wants no part in this.

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