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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

When will they realize that they are innocent humans they are killing. These people in charge are sociopaths. Insane. Netanyahoo and these leaders who pull triggers like this should be put behind bars. The time has come for humans to stop killing each other.
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I believe that Israel will be attacked from all sides and it leaves Israel with 2 options:


1. Deplete the entire IDF to wipe out the enemies

2. last resort: bring out the nukes
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UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan has strongly condemned Israel’s new anti-Palestinian offensive in the Gaza Strip, and urged the Security Council, which met in a private emergency session on Wednesday night, to demand an immediate cessation of its military action, according to Council sources.
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How Does the IDF Minimize Harm to Palestinian Civilians?

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Hamas does the exact opposite, they wait for Israeli children to come home from school and then they start firing rockets and mortars at them !
 Quoting: subzero86


just look at this^ dickhead drool at the prospect of war. pathetic zionist shill granny
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No one is inocent in this. Neither side can claim moral victory in any war.
 Quoting: Junie


Really?

So you're saying FDR and Churchill... were as bad as Hitler & Goebbels?

That US dropped a few nukes to stop 5 million dead G.I. and 20+ million Japanese that Invasion of the Mainland would have likely entailed... is as "bad" as Imperial Japan treating Chinese, Phillipinos, et al like cockroaches and torturning them in the most gruesome ways imaginable.... are "the same"????

That when UN and African Union was finally fighting Rwanda militias.... both sides were equally evil?

Pol Pot... Ah, nevermind. The sheer Stupid Quotient here is overwhelming.
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everyone was bombing civilians during ww2, still happening today
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How Does the IDF Minimize Harm to Palestinian Civilians?

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Hamas does the exact opposite, they wait for Israeli children to come home from school and then they start firing rockets and mortars at them !
 Quoting: subzero86


Keep up your propaganda.
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If Israel sends ground troops, who or what will be their target/s and how far are they treading into Gaza?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27506199


Uh, well that's the 6.4 billion dollar Question... it seems.

Because of Israel's tiny size, population, and the double-standard that UN applies to Israel's actions.... the Gaza operation would have to be INCREDIBLY innovative & effective.

Gaza-City makes Baghdad during the height of the Insurgency, look like stroll through Monaco in comparison. It's an absolutel (booby-trapped, RPG and Igla-S riddled) Death Trap for a Jew.

So Benny Ganz, Naveh and Barak better tread verrry carefully.

And that's not even counting what that nutsac-scratching MB retard Mohammad Morsi in Egypt might do...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2104267


you guys DO remember they've done it before right?
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Hey smartass, you DO know that

1) In 2008, IDF didn't really do into the heart of Gaza City to clean out Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PRC and other terror groups... hence why only 7 IDF soldiers died + 4 more were hit by friendly fire (errant Israeli tank shell). Otherwise, Israeli casulaties would have been on the order of magnitute higher. The left-wing Olmert government at the time fully understood the implications.

2) Since 2012, HAMAS has grown MUCH more powerful -- and now is comparable with Hezbollah in Lebanon circa 2006 --- except at least in South Lebanon in 2006 Israel could fight them in open rural areas, while Gaza Strip is basically one huge terror network full of tunnels, bunkers, booby-trapped buildings, snipers, RPG and anti-aircraft squads hiding behind Palestinin civilians, etc.

HAMAS, Islamic Jihad, PRC, PFLP now have advanced anti-tank weapons like Kornet, Metis-M, RPG-29, maybe tandem charged RPG-30, too. They have ton of Kaddafi's former stash, including not only AA missile Strela but Igla as well -- which is a real SOB similar to American Stinger that can easily down both Israeli helicopters, UAV and F-15, F-16 jets.
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BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Israeli authorities are preventing foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip despite promises the Erez crossing would be open Thursday.

the nazirelis have something to hide?????
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11/15/2012 03:00 AM
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booooooooooooo!!

no media coverage!

id love to see bodyparts flying over the screen.
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How Does the IDF Minimize Harm to Palestinian Civilians?

[link to www.idfblog.com]

Hamas does the exact opposite, they wait for Israeli children to come home from school and then they start firing rockets and mortars at them !
 Quoting: subzero86


Keep up your propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14571878


clappa

This, i have seen rockets firing from morning till night.

And besides, how large are these rockets? they have a 10+kg warhead? compare that to a 500-2000lb JDAM.
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Subzero86,

I tried to explain this to you before. Each intercept may cost 30,000-40,000 US dollars, but it's a BARGAIN when you consider

1) Lives & property saved (imagine if a rocket were to hit a CEO of Intel-Israel division and also kill his daughter -- you may have an international scandal on your hands and all kinds of lawsuits)

2) Saves huge costs in medical care & rescue services avoid for the dead, dying as well as serious non-fatal injuries from shrapnel. Easily in millions of dollars when counted surgery, ICU costs + long-term rehab & medication (plus, again, potential lawsuits against Israeli government)

3) The prestige of Israeli military industry, the Iron Dome project in particular. Remember, Iron Dome is very young, developed in record short period of time just over 2 years. It needs battle-testing & modification. For example: the 1st battery was first used in combat in April 2011. The 5th battery has just gone on-line a few weeks ago. Only 2 years apart between them, but in terms of technological capability, the 5th battery is YEARS ahead of the 1st one, in radar, in software, in the Tamir interceptor that can now even intercept larger Iranian rockets like Fajr-5 and Zelzal (remember, Iron Dome was originally only supposed to deal with much smaller mortar, homemade Qassam & Grad).

4) Additional US aid has pretty much paid for most of Iron Dome. So the "real" price Israel pays for Intercept is not 35,000 but more like 5,000 dollars. The rest comes out of the military aid.

5) Once Iron Dome version 2.0 is battle tested against bigger rockets & salvos.... South Korea, Singapur, Colombia and of course US would LOVE to buy it --- so in the end, Israel might actually make PROFIT from Iron Dome.

6) Iron Dome gives Israeli government flexibility to be patient and PREVENTS large-scale operations like Castlead. Considering that between March 2011 and now there have been whopping 6-7 seperate escalations by the Gaza jihadists, with literally 1,000 total rockets fired at Israel.... you potentially are talking about more than 1 Castlead in that time span.

And remember, Castlead alone cost 2 billion dollars in operations costs & paralyzed economy in the South. And of course it led to the libelous Goldstone Report & gave pretext to that cunt Erdogan to severe ties with Israel. So that too carries a big price tag in the longer-run.

Now multiply that by several Castlead-type operations.

You're talking billions of dollars... that Iron Dome potentially saved. To quote Donald Trump, it's "OOOJE".

7) And its experience is proving invaluable as far as Israel's new missile defense system, David's Sling, is concerned. Orinally, Israel was going to RUSH David's Sling or Magic Wand as it's also known in time for 2012. The version would have been far from optimal, very skeletal. But since Iron Dome 2.0 version has shown potential during testing, Israel probably made a decision that they will take their sweet time with Magic Wand and when it's finished in 2014, it will be super-advanced. Win-win situation.

Sorry, I am tired, but something along those lines, Subzero86.
 Quoting: Ashton's succulent Volvo 2104267



Thank you for your input, much appreciated ! thumbs
 Quoting: subzero86


You're welcome.

It's amazing how much disinfo and laziness you read on the Interwebz, especially when it concerns Israel.

I just try to apply common sense to things that are open-source knowledge (I am not privy to any classified information).

Of course Iron Dome was not cheap early on in deployment, but what's the alternative? Nothing? As I described, it would be FAR MORE COSTLY to not have protection.

Laser? Yes, but as the joint US-Israeli project "Nautilus" showed, laser-based intercept technology is not going to be mature or cost-effective before 2020 -- if then!

And the thing about that laser system... yes, technically each intercept is only 3,000 dollars, BUT consider this:

1) the new development of Nautilus would cost BILLIONS of dollars with NO promises of success. Israel can't afford that even with American financial participation!

2) To get comparable coverage to Iron Dome, Israel would need at least 20 possibly as many as 50 laser batteries. More insane costs!

3) Unlike the mobile Iron Dome, laser would be stationary (hence another need for more batteries)

4) The chemical essential for Nautilus-like laser defense, is both very expensive AND very toxic to the environment.

5) Weather. Iron Dome can work in bad weather, but old generation of Lasers were known to be lose up to 90% of their effectiveness in heavy clouds and rain! Israel can't even begin to afford that!

So you see, the whole Internet fan-boy "ooh, Lasers are teh shizzle; Israel is so stupid!!!" is just more bullcrap.

Iron Dome is not perfect, it was never designed to replace the OFFENSIVE capabilities & doctrine.... but it's a very nifty system nonetheless.
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11/15/2012 03:08 AM
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i predict a dirty bomb or some b-c weapon blowing tel aviv in the skies within 48 hrs......
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well Tel Aviv is full of the secular palestinian loving anti-Zionist Jews, so that might wake them up.
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but God forbid of course. Just making a point.
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Quit while you're ahead ...
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How Does the IDF Minimize Harm to Palestinian Civilians?

[link to www.idfblog.com]

Hamas does the exact opposite, they wait for Israeli children to come home from school and then they start firing rockets and mortars at them !
 Quoting: subzero86


Keep up your propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14571878


clappa

This, i have seen rockets firing from morning till night.

And besides, how large are these rockets? they have a 10+kg warhead? compare that to a 500-2000lb JDAM.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15873018


So...because they're not 500-2000lb jdams...that makes it ok?

Wtf are even blabbing about...jesus fucking christ you people fucking amaze me.

You'll make up childish excuses for all sorts of shit...

I don't even think you believe the garbage coming out of you own mouth.
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Gaza factions unite and announce Operation Splinters of Rock

gasp

May G-d protect Israel hf
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rafah crossing now open.

egypt says no more permission needed to pass crossing in both directions.
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This nefarious game of tit for tat will keep rolling on for the foreseeable future. Though I do not excuse Islamic fundamentalists I believe Israel bears the responsibility in this conflict.
Lets face it, Israel is a nation with one of the most highly sophisticated and advanced armies in the world, they have the best missile defense system and probably 300 nuclear weapons.

They keep the Palestinians in an open aired prison, under sniper towers, with humiliating check points and an economic blockade which has destroyed their livelihood. It's not the other way around. The Palestinians fire rockets at their oppressor. If you were in their shoes you would to, look at the IRA for example.

The first step in solving this conflict would be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and lift the embargo. As long as Israel and the US continue to stop this, it will never be resolved.
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Gaza factions unite and announce Operation Splinters of Rock

gasp

May G-d protect Israel hf
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i just farted

putin
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Gaza factions unite and announce Operation Splinters of Rock

gasp

May G-d protect Israel hf
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god IS A LIE!
he is not there, he is not sitting in the clouds and he is not the savior of israel.
hes just a projection to help people believe in something, blaming their trouble to!
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Egypt officially requests a UN Security Council meeting to discuss Israeli's 'aggression' on Gaza, its foreign ministry says - @Reuters
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This nefarious game of tit for tat will keep rolling on for the foreseeable future. Though I do not excuse Islamic fundamentalists I believe Israel bears the responsibility in this conflict.
Lets face it, Israel is a nation with one of the most highly sophisticated and advanced armies in the world, they have the best missile defense system and probably 300 nuclear weapons.

They keep the Palestinians in an open aired prison, under sniper towers, with humiliating check points and an economic blockade which has destroyed their livelihood. It's not the other way around. The Palestinians fire rockets at their oppressor. If you were in their shoes you would to, look at the IRA for example.

The first step in solving this conflict would be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and lift the embargo. As long as Israel and the US continue to stop this, it will never be resolved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


Why don't you fly your ass over to help them out?
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08:26
IDF expects heavy rocket fire will continue Thursday and after Jabari's funeral (Haaretz)
funeral will be over in 1 hr.

bump
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IDF expects heavy rocket fire will continue Thursday and after Jabari's funeral (Haaretz)
funeral will be over in 1 hr.

bump
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That funeral seems like a prime target. Bombs away!
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This nefarious game of tit for tat will keep rolling on for the foreseeable future. Though I do not excuse Islamic fundamentalists I believe Israel bears the responsibility in this conflict.
Lets face it, Israel is a nation with one of the most highly sophisticated and advanced armies in the world, they have the best missile defense system and probably 300 nuclear weapons.

They keep the Palestinians in an open aired prison, under sniper towers, with humiliating check points and an economic blockade which has destroyed their livelihood. It's not the other way around. The Palestinians fire rockets at their oppressor. If you were in their shoes you would to, look at the IRA for example.

The first step in solving this conflict would be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and lift the embargo. As long as Israel and the US continue to stop this, it will never be resolved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


Why don't you fly your ass over to help them out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16999455



Why would I? I gave my two cents on the situation, that's it. Try thinking of a better response, dick head.
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This nefarious game of tit for tat will keep rolling on for the foreseeable future. Though I do not excuse Islamic fundamentalists I believe Israel bears the responsibility in this conflict.
Lets face it, Israel is a nation with one of the most highly sophisticated and advanced armies in the world, they have the best missile defense system and probably 300 nuclear weapons.

They keep the Palestinians in an open aired prison, under sniper towers, with humiliating check points and an economic blockade which has destroyed their livelihood. It's not the other way around. The Palestinians fire rockets at their oppressor. If you were in their shoes you would to, look at the IRA for example.

The first step in solving this conflict would be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and lift the embargo. As long as Israel and the US continue to stop this, it will never be resolved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


Why don't you fly your ass over to help them out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16999455



Why would I? I gave my two cents on the situation, that's it. Try thinking of a better response, dick head.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274

So you really don't feel as strongly as you let on. Got it.
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This nefarious game of tit for tat will keep rolling on for the foreseeable future. Though I do not excuse Islamic fundamentalists I believe Israel bears the responsibility in this conflict.
Lets face it, Israel is a nation with one of the most highly sophisticated and advanced armies in the world, they have the best missile defense system and probably 300 nuclear weapons.

They keep the Palestinians in an open aired prison, under sniper towers, with humiliating check points and an economic blockade which has destroyed their livelihood. It's not the other way around. The Palestinians fire rockets at their oppressor. If you were in their shoes you would to, look at the IRA for example.

The first step in solving this conflict would be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and lift the embargo. As long as Israel and the US continue to stop this, it will never be resolved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


Why don't you fly your ass over to help them out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16999455



Why would I? I gave my two cents on the situation, that's it. Try thinking of a better response, dick head.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


cruise
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IDF expects heavy rocket fire will continue Thursday and after Jabari's funeral (Haaretz)
funeral will be over in 1 hr.

bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27676738


That funeral seems like a prime target. Bombs away!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16999455


yet another sign that what is happening is not logical
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@JonDonnison

Reports in Israel saying Palestinian rocket fired towards Tel Aviv was shot down by Iron Dome. NOT CONFIRMED #Gaza
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oh man i love it...no war here no fear lots of food women money a nice house car and perfect neighbors.

OHHHH I LOVE MY LIFE!

sooryy for dat but just recognized i live close to a god!
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How Does the IDF Minimize Harm to Palestinian Civilians?

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Hamas does the exact opposite, they wait for Israeli children to come home from school and then they start firing rockets and mortars at them !
 Quoting: subzero86


Keep up your propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14571878


clappa

This, i have seen rockets firing from morning till night.

And besides, how large are these rockets? they have a 10+kg warhead? compare that to a 500-2000lb JDAM.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15873018


So...because they're not 500-2000lb jdams...that makes it ok?

Wtf are even blabbing about...jesus fucking christ you people fucking amaze me.

You'll make up childish excuses for all sorts of shit...

I don't even think you believe the garbage coming out of you own mouth.
 Quoting: Devoted Follower 27692282


Yes, believe it or not Jew-haters ARE that stupid & hateful.

Once their idiocy is disproved... instead of quitting, they get butt-hurt and just DOUBLE-DOWN on their idiocy. More nonsensical excuses and twisted "logic".

This time they are crying because Israel has built a MODERN society and as such can afford more expensive weapons
& care enough about their women and babies to build bomb shelters for them --- unlike Palestinians who want as many of their babies to die so that they can parade their corpses in front of Western cameras and score PR sympathy points.

Israel shoudl what? Take down the Security Barrier so that HAMAS psychos will flood in and start blowing up Israeli buses, restaurants, discos, synagogues, cultural centers -- like they did during "2nd Intifada" (which is was just a politically-correct euphemism for "Kill Jewish kids and womens, kill pussycat kill kill kill Allah Akbar!")
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This nefarious game of tit for tat will keep rolling on for the foreseeable future. Though I do not excuse Islamic fundamentalists I believe Israel bears the responsibility in this conflict.
Lets face it, Israel is a nation with one of the most highly sophisticated and advanced armies in the world, they have the best missile defense system and probably 300 nuclear weapons.

They keep the Palestinians in an open aired prison, under sniper towers, with humiliating check points and an economic blockade which has destroyed their livelihood. It's not the other way around. The Palestinians fire rockets at their oppressor. If you were in their shoes you would to, look at the IRA for example.

The first step in solving this conflict would be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and lift the embargo. As long as Israel and the US continue to stop this, it will never be resolved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14896274


bump for truth


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