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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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Thousands are fleeing north Gaza...seems to me quite the opposite.

Well, keep hope at peace in a world driven by war...
 Quoting: recollector


either IDF will counter the rocket attacks from earlier before a ceasefire is declared

or there will be no ceasefire. all reports of ceasefire are from arab sources. even the western/israeli news sources reporting from egyptian/palestinian sources. hamas is at their high point. there are reports the truce includes an end to targeted killings of hamas leaders, which is how this operation began.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx



The only cease fire agreement INCLUDES Hamas disarmament AND Israel's TOTAL (not in phases) lifting Gaza blockade.

Does ANY of the two above can be achieved? YEP...but WHICH ONE FIRST?

So you see...Hamas CANNOT disarm first (and tbh, who will disarm them - UN or Israel?) because they are afraid to do that.Blockade cannot be lifted first, because Hamas will get MORE rockets and arms thru egyptian Sinai...Egypt is under MB control.


so...NO CEASE FIRE whatsoever.
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 Quoting: recollector


Non starter. The blockade already has too many leaks, Israel would need to control the Gaza/Sinai crossings. So why would Hamas give up something they already have? And esp their arms? Not likely..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


And this is WHY there can't be a cease fire...Israel must secure 10-15 miles in Sinai adiacent to the Strip.

Egyptians also KNOW that...
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the ultimatum Israel gave Hamas yesterday (36 hours..) ends in two hours
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Meshaal, the Hamas leader, said on Monday his group was committed to efforts to secure a truce, but insisted that Israel must lift its six-year blockade of the Gaza Strip.

"We are not against a calming, but we want our demands ... to end the thuggery, to end the aggression and to lift the blockade," he said, adding that Hamas would reject any Israeli preconditions for a ceasefire because "they started the aggression".



[link to www.aljazeera.com]

Peace over...Doom on!
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I swear to god I'll pistol whip the next guy who says ceasefire.

lol
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Re: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire
30 minutes
 Quoting: boku82


I think you're confusing Israel local time with GMT/ UTC
 Quoting: ClydeX


gmt is the time on this site +5 hours :-)
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The #Gaza truce will be declared at 1900 GMT and go into effect at 2200 GMT, says #Hamas' Ayman Taha. #DNE, #Israel, #Egypt.

[link to twitter.com]
 Quoting: DoorBert


37 minutes...waiting
 Quoting: boku82


This will not end just like that.
There will be rockets , negotiations, rockets, and then calm for a couple of weeks, the SHTF again.

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 Quoting: Limpan


when the Israeli elections are over, TSHTF
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IDF strike in Gaza kills two journalists from Hamas tv.
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Rocket fire from Gaza continues.
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Info please.....

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Report: U.S. President Barack Obama spoke with Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi three times in the last 24 hours (Al Arabiya)
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


"We the people, hope for a change. We look forwardto a truce"
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30 minutes
 Quoting: boku82


for what??
19.00 gmt are in 2 hours.
Gmt time now is: 16.35
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the ultimatum Israel gave Hamas yesterday (36 hours..) ends in two hours
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


So the ultimatum ends in 2 hours, while the "cease fire" (LOLOLOL) starts in 3 hours?

interesting...
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can anyone confirm Israels agreement to this as all msm I have checked says there is an agreement but I haven't seen any Israeli msm
 Quoting: Anderson_G


israel refuses to confirm the cease fire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28141055


hmmm its a case of time will tell.....

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Cease fire is in 3 hours time. Both parties getting in their last hits before time is up. Hamas wins by having the bloackade lifted and the end to targetting their polititans. Israel has lost this one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28032084


Wrong.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


No. The four point agreement plan has been agreed.
Hamas stops rockets and israel will stop targetting hamas polititians, Bloackade lifted.. its all on the msm.
Pretty gutless from israel. No wonder they want the US to take on Iran. Israel dont have the balls
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This ceasefire rumor audited by Deloitte lolsign
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Hamas official: Israel-Gaza truce to be declared in hour
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I swear to god I'll pistol whip the next guy who says ceasefire.

lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553981


ceasefire
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30 minutes
 Quoting: boku82


I think you're confusing Israel local time with GMT/ UTC
 Quoting: ClydeX


No - 30 minutes - 19:00 in Israel
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Re: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire
Who is more powerful.

Egypt or Israel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28141055


Israel ofc.

While Egypt have enough planes and tanks to match Israel...their war experience is ZERO.
 Quoting: recollector


so basicly it's pretty evenly matched.

Thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28141055


not even close...Egypt wouldn't last a week...
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the ultimatum Israel gave Hamas yesterday (36 hours..) ends in two hours
 Quoting: tarfonwxx


And in two hours there will be the ceasfire declaration.
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The #Gaza truce will be declared at 1900 GMT and go into effect at 2200 GMT, says #Hamas' Ayman Taha. #DNE, #Israel, #Egypt.

[link to twitter.com]
 Quoting: DoorBert


37 minutes...waiting
 Quoting: boku82


This will not end just like that.
There will be rockets , negotiations, rockets, and then calm for a couple of weeks, the SHTF again.

hiding
 Quoting: Limpan


when the Israeli elections are over, TSHTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28141055


There won't be any elections...the world either ends, either is in full world war.
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30 minutes
 Quoting: boku82


I think you're confusing Israel local time with GMT/ UTC
 Quoting: ClydeX


gmt is the time on this site +5 hours :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17418121


You are aware that the time posted o this site can be adjusted to your local time as you log in, right?

Oh wait......
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37 minutes...waiting
 Quoting: boku82


This will not end just like that.
There will be rockets , negotiations, rockets, and then calm for a couple of weeks, the SHTF again.

hiding
 Quoting: Limpan


when the Israeli elections are over, TSHTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28141055


There won't be any elections...the world either ends, either is in full world war.
 Quoting: recollector


cool story bro
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1627: An Israeli official has refused to confirm to the BBC that a ceasefire is imminent. At this stage, the official says, Israel will continue its operation until the rocket fire stops; and the diplomatic track and military operation will continue in parallel.

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475310


Sounds like hawk stance for domestic consumption, "We showed 'em!". When they both stop nobody will really know who fired the last shot...
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If Israel is so concerned about their civilians, give Hamas GPS-guided missiles.
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Missile may find it's way to Hilary for leaving Barak's behind. Beast will blame on Bush or Iran then SHTF.
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30 minutes
 Quoting: boku82


I think you're confusing Israel local time with GMT/ UTC
 Quoting: ClydeX


No - 30 minutes - 19:00 in Israel
 Quoting: boku82


The ceasfire declaration is at 19.00 GMT.
GMT time NOW is: 16.37.
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30 minutes
 Quoting: boku82


I think you're confusing Israel local time with GMT/ UTC
 Quoting: ClydeX


No - 30 minutes - 19:00 in Israel
 Quoting: boku82


CNN just said in little over 5 hours
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This ceasefire rumor audited by Deloitte lolsign
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Most probably is going ti be corzined
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Believe me, from experience, a ceasefire was delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, while one hand is definitely not give up, no peace.

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