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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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you so silly
you funny funny
me laugh so hard
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yes joey
they do
they make sand bags out of babies
and and
joey
they take the baybags and use
them as shields, in the tunnels ......joey.........
in the tunnels


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So it really is ok for the |IDF to use flame throwers in the tunnels?? You were just messing with me?
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Israel

NAVAL POWER

Total Navy Ships: 64
Merchant Marine Strength: 10 [2011]
Major Ports & Terminals: 4
Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2011]
Destroyers: 0 [2011]
Submarines: 3 [2011]
Frigates: 0 [2011]
Patrol Craft: 42 [2011]
Mine Warfare Craft: 0 [2011]
Amphibious Assault Craft: 0 [2011]
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You forgot one...

Backup Fleet: USA Naval Forces
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Please do not forget the entire Dutch Navy that will stand side to side with the Israeli and American navy when it comes to the point.

;-)
 Quoting: jahbulon49


helemaal niet man, waar heb je het over? nederland moet neutraal blijven, laat ze elkaar maar afmaken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26782986


Why switch to Dutch? We are here on an international forum, so I would prefer to keep our communication in a language that is common to everybody, so everybody can see what we are discussing here. But to give you an answer on your question (which translates into English like: "That is not true dude! What are you talking about? The Netherlands needs to stay neutral on this. let them kill each other!").

Here is your answer: I did not say they are in combat or war mode already, but you can bet on this one if you like, but you will seriously loose that bet my friend! The Dutch will get involved when Israel or the US asks them to. But on the other hand you might as well ask your self if it aren't the old colonial powers that are on the thrones in Western Europe that still rule the world and command the Unite States into any kind of situation they have got up their sleeves for the rest of the world. Do not forget the power of the old colonial powers like Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, etc.
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hello everyone Just got back from college any chance of a brief update

much obliged hf
 Quoting: Anderson_G


over the last 12 both sides attacked each other

about 3 hours ago explosion in Tel Aviv killed at least 3... carried out by possibly Fatah...

They said female prep placed explosive device...

two more possible explosions in Tel Aviv

Israel retaliated with a mighty air strike...

Hilary Clinton is somewhere in the region babbling on and on
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there will be no ceasefire today or anytime soon..
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Well thats if he goes, but Im sure he'll enjoy
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Tis apparently a beautiful country.
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Iran is gorgeous. The architecture there is truly unbelievable. Museums full of ancient history. Fabulous art and literature. I wish I had the money to go see the ancient site of Babylon in Iraq too. That would be cool.
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Most of the architecture and science has been stolen by Muslim from the countries they invaded.
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There was culture in these places before Islam. That ancient history is still there and preserved.
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Israel

NAVAL POWER

Total Navy Ships: 64
Merchant Marine Strength: 10 [2011]
Major Ports & Terminals: 4
Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2011]
Destroyers: 0 [2011]
Submarines: 3 [2011]
Frigates: 0 [2011]
Patrol Craft: 42 [2011]
Mine Warfare Craft: 0 [2011]
Amphibious Assault Craft: 0 [2011]
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You forgot one...

Backup Fleet: USA Naval Forces
 Quoting: MisterHouston


Please do not forget the entire Dutch Navy that will stand side to side with the Israeli and American navy when it comes to the point.

;-)
 Quoting: jahbulon49


helemaal niet man, waar heb je het over? nederland moet neutraal blijven, laat ze elkaar maar afmaken.
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Hey jahbulon49, did Mr. A Coward just call me a name!
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Thing is, Christianity underwent change during the Age of Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution in the West. It had to alter to become less patriarchal and more about promoting wider social freedom, hence women being allowed to vote etc.

Islam has never had to undergo such a change. It's an anachronism in the 21st century, mainly followed by poor uneducated people who are easily led, and possibly pissed off with the West for exploiting them.

Personally, I'd ban the practice of Islam if I ran a country, and deport any devotees to Saudi where they can live as they please.
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Well said!
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hello everyone Just got back from college any chance of a brief update

much obliged hf
 Quoting: Anderson_G


over the last 12 both sides attacked each other

about 3 hours ago explosion in Tel Aviv killed at least 3... carried out by possibly Fatah...

They said female prep placed explosive device...

two more possible explosions in Tel Aviv

Israel retaliated with a mighty air strike...

Hilary Clinton is somewhere in the region babbling on and on
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


there will be no ceasefire today or anytime soon..
 Quoting: godzilla85


totally...

This is only gonna get worse
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Sorry for no updates!! I had to work a little today
Latest days have been really slow on the work front!!!

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@haaretzcom reports #Palestinian sources in #Cairo say a #ceasefire will not be announced on Wed due to disagreement over #Gaza blockade
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These are stats from 2006 where Palestine hold Free elections:


Final results show that Hamas won the election, with 74 seats to the ruling-Fatah's 45, providing Hamas with the majority of the 132 available seats and the ability to form a majority government on their own.

Of the Electoral Lists, Hamas received 44.45% and Fatah 41.43%[1] and of the Electoral Districts, Hamas party candidates received 41.73% and Fatah party candidates received 36.96%.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Now, stats might have changed since 2006 we do not know exactly but what we know for sure is that Hamas won the elections and were not allowed to rule. That's one of the reason they "forcefully" took over Gaza strip. Its politics and long story. You have plenty of info on the net if you interested on that subject.
 Quoting: Cons 28196357


they rule through fear verysad

Hamas–Fatah conflict

Human Rights Watch estimates several hundred Gazans were "maimed" and tortured in the aftermath of the Gaza War. 73 Gazan men accused of "collaborating" had their arms and legs broken by "unidentified perpetrators" and 18 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel, who had escaped from Gaza's main prison compound after Israel bombed the facility, were executed by Hamas security officials in the first days of the conflict.[136][137]

Hamas security forces reportedly shot and tortured Palestinians who opposed Hamas rule in Gaza and openly supported Israel's attack. One victim, recovering from multiple gunshot wounds in the leg, told Human Rights Watch he was "so happy they bombed that I was giving out sweets."[136]

In another case, a Palestinian had criticized Hamas in a conversation on the street with some friends. Later that day, more than a dozen armed men with black masks and red kaffiyeh took the man from his home, and brought him to a solitary area where they shot him three times in the lower legs and ankles. The man told Human Rights Watch that he was not politically active.[136]

Hamas security forces attacked hundreds Fatah officials who supported Israel. Human Rights Watch interviewed one such person:

"There were eight of us sitting there. We were all from Fatah. Then three masked militants broke in. They were dressed in brown camouflage military uniforms; they all had guns. They pointed their guns at us and cursed us, then they began beating us with iron rods, including a 10-year-old boy whom they hit in the face. They said we were "collaborators" and "unfaithful." They beat me with iron sticks and gun butts for 15 minutes. They were yelling: "You are happy that Israel is bombing us!" until people came out of their houses, and they withdrew.[136]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx



Thx for sharing that.

Was laying in bed this morning feeling quite comfortable and thinking of the poor people in the ME and how frightened they must be to close their eyes for fear of a rocket exploding.

Then I wondered why don't the "peaceful" people rise up against hamas.. apparently that isn't going to work.
 Quoting: Angelic_Warrior


Now you understand. People will never rise against Hamas as it is legitimate ruler of Palestine territory. You can also have a look at the image bellow (green Hamas, red Fatah) and see clearly that Hamas has overwhelming support even in the West-Bank.

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

Cheers
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Palastinians will have the right to apply to court and eventually be able to hold Israel accountable for war crimes.



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wouldn't that just shit the crowd.
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You forgot one...

Backup Fleet: USA Naval Forces
 Quoting: MisterHouston


Please do not forget the entire Dutch Navy that will stand side to side with the Israeli and American navy when it comes to the point.

;-)
 Quoting: jahbulon49


helemaal niet man, waar heb je het over? nederland moet neutraal blijven, laat ze elkaar maar afmaken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26782986



Hey jahbulon49, did Mr. A Coward just call me a name!
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lol no the AC said

"no man, what are you talking about? Netherlands should remain neutral, but let them kill each other."
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hello everyone Just got back from college any chance of a brief update

much obliged hf
 Quoting: Anderson_G


over the last 12 both sides attacked each other

about 3 hours ago explosion in Tel Aviv killed at least 3... carried out by possibly Fatah...

They said female prep placed explosive device...

two more possible explosions in Tel Aviv

Israel retaliated with a mighty air strike...

Hilary Clinton is somewhere in the region babbling on and on
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


there will be no ceasefire today or anytime soon..
 Quoting: godzilla85


Hi

hf

No chance for that. Bibi can't look weak now

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Well, there are plenty...about 1,5 million civilians in Gaza.

To bad that they have no power whatsoever and are used by Hamas as human shields and propagabda bodies (dead preferabily).
 Quoting: recollector


Yeah...BUT Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza so they practically did this to themselves !

It is very sad what is happening to civilians in Gaza but they knew Hamas was a terrorist organization when they elected them and now they suffer the consequences...unfortunately !
 Quoting: subzero86




Opps... Kinda like us in the U.S.
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Our last election, 2 weeks ago here in the USA, was stolen by fraudulent counting, there was plenty of evidence right here on GLP.
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Hussein barack obama its not sounding to me like jewish name and i think that jews going to be in for big supries if this escalate and then somebody turn back on them .......ohappy




























































































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These are stats from 2006 where Palestine hold Free elections:


Final results show that Hamas won the election, with 74 seats to the ruling-Fatah's 45, providing Hamas with the majority of the 132 available seats and the ability to form a majority government on their own.

Of the Electoral Lists, Hamas received 44.45% and Fatah 41.43%[1] and of the Electoral Districts, Hamas party candidates received 41.73% and Fatah party candidates received 36.96%.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Now, stats might have changed since 2006 we do not know exactly but what we know for sure is that Hamas won the elections and were not allowed to rule. That's one of the reason they "forcefully" took over Gaza strip. Its politics and long story. You have plenty of info on the net if you interested on that subject.
 Quoting: Cons 28196357


they rule through fear verysad

Hamas–Fatah conflict

Human Rights Watch estimates several hundred Gazans were "maimed" and tortured in the aftermath of the Gaza War. 73 Gazan men accused of "collaborating" had their arms and legs broken by "unidentified perpetrators" and 18 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel, who had escaped from Gaza's main prison compound after Israel bombed the facility, were executed by Hamas security officials in the first days of the conflict.[136][137]

Hamas security forces reportedly shot and tortured Palestinians who opposed Hamas rule in Gaza and openly supported Israel's attack. One victim, recovering from multiple gunshot wounds in the leg, told Human Rights Watch he was "so happy they bombed that I was giving out sweets."[136]

In another case, a Palestinian had criticized Hamas in a conversation on the street with some friends. Later that day, more than a dozen armed men with black masks and red kaffiyeh took the man from his home, and brought him to a solitary area where they shot him three times in the lower legs and ankles. The man told Human Rights Watch that he was not politically active.[136]

Hamas security forces attacked hundreds Fatah officials who supported Israel. Human Rights Watch interviewed one such person:

"There were eight of us sitting there. We were all from Fatah. Then three masked militants broke in. They were dressed in brown camouflage military uniforms; they all had guns. They pointed their guns at us and cursed us, then they began beating us with iron rods, including a 10-year-old boy whom they hit in the face. They said we were "collaborators" and "unfaithful." They beat me with iron sticks and gun butts for 15 minutes. They were yelling: "You are happy that Israel is bombing us!" until people came out of their houses, and they withdrew.[136]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: tarfonwxx



Thx for sharing that.

Was laying in bed this morning feeling quite comfortable and thinking of the poor people in the ME and how frightened they must be to close their eyes for fear of a rocket exploding.

Then I wondered why don't the "peaceful" people rise up against hamas.. apparently that isn't going to work.
 Quoting: Angelic_Warrior


Now you understand. People will never rise against Hamas as it is legitimate ruler of Palestine territory. You can also have a look at the image bellow (green Hamas, red Fatah) and see clearly that Hamas has overwhelming support even in the West-Bank.

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

Cheers
 Quoting: Cons 28196357


Also, support for Hamas in West Bank rising as a result of Gaza war:

At Ramallah protest, Hamas’ green overcomes Fatah's yellow

[link to www.haaretz.com]

And with Fatah's military wing claiming responsibility for the bombing this morning, Fatah is radicalizing and now inching towards Hamas. Which leaves Israel with few options in an international community who likes to talk pretty.
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exactly, just like the majority in my country elected president numbnuts...now they gotta deal with his antics for four more years. As the saying goes " you make your bed, now sleep in it.."
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You're right GZ85 ! The situation is very similar to the US !
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Yep, re pin this thread.
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I tried and was unable to green karma pin this just now, since it has been pinned 3 times this week.

Maybe we could get it mega-pinned if we all go back to page one and hit the green pin request thumbtack looking icon in the top right of the thread.
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bump
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Hussein barack obama its not sounding to me like jewish name and i think that jews going to be in for big supries if this escalate and then somebody turn back on them .......ohappy

If he turns his back on them, I will be twice as happy I gave him my vote.






















































































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You forgot one...

Backup Fleet: USA Naval Forces
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Please do not forget the entire Dutch Navy that will stand side to side with the Israeli and American navy when it comes to the point.

;-)
 Quoting: jahbulon49


helemaal niet man, waar heb je het over? nederland moet neutraal blijven, laat ze elkaar maar afmaken.
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Hey jahbulon49, did Mr. A Coward just call me a name!
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Only kidding.....I googled translated it! grinning
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Of course they feel threatened by that idea because their barbaric ways are all they know. And a lot of it is thought up so that it only benefits men, so they'll react violently if you try and take it away from them.
Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.
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Hussein barack obama its not sounding to me like jewish name and i think that jews going to be in for big supries if this escalate and then somebody turn back on them .......ohappy
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the people know this increasingly, the government panders nonetheless
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Reporter on air on BBC World Service Radio when Israeli hit Gaza City Sports Stadium with 7 or 8 missiles. Worth a listen

[link to soundcloud.com]
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hello everyone Just got back from college any chance of a brief update

much obliged hf
 Quoting: Anderson_G


over the last 12 both sides attacked each other

about 3 hours ago explosion in Tel Aviv killed at least 3... carried out by possibly Fatah...

They said female prep placed explosive device...

two more possible explosions in Tel Aviv

Israel retaliated with a mighty air strike...

Hilary Clinton is somewhere in the region babbling on and on
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Aaaand here you have the massive airstrike after bus bomb
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Thing is, Christianity underwent change during the Age of Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution in the West. It had to alter to become less patriarchal and more about promoting wider social freedom, hence women being allowed to vote etc.

Islam has never had to undergo such a change. It's an anachronism in the 21st century, mainly followed by poor uneducated people who are easily led, and possibly pissed off with the West for exploiting them.

Personally, I'd ban the practice of Islam if I ran a country, and deport any devotees to Saudi where they can live as they please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28135745


To be fair I would have to agree with this, very well put.

Personally I find Islam, especially its history absolutely fascinating, and I have nothing against the people who practice it, apart from when it gets towards Sharia law and such and gets into that fundamentalist current (just like any religious fundamentalism).

I am against multiculturalism as a whole (especially in the UK), I see it as a failed experiment and something that needs fixing. I honestly believe that Islam will never find a place in British society, it's pretty much the antithesis of British social codes.
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Sorry for no updates!! I had to work a little today
Latest days have been really slow on the work front!!!

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i hear you
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UPDATE: 3:15PM IL: Sirens in the S’dot Negev Council.

UPDATE: 3:13PM IL: Sirens sounding in Nachal Ohz.

UPDATE: 3:08PM IL: Arab League Secretary-General Nabil el-Araby said “The catastrophe in Gaza is beyond imagination.”

[link to www.theyeshivaworld.com]
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You forgot one...

Backup Fleet: USA Naval Forces
 Quoting: MisterHouston


Please do not forget the entire Dutch Navy that will stand side to side with the Israeli and American navy when it comes to the point.

;-)
 Quoting: jahbulon49


helemaal niet man, waar heb je het over? nederland moet neutraal blijven, laat ze elkaar maar afmaken.
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Hey jahbulon49, did Mr. A Coward just call me a name!
 Quoting: MisterHouston

No :)

He said...

No, man! What are you talking about? The Netherlands needs to remain neutral. Let them finish each other off.
Eireann~

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