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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28135745 United Kingdom 11/21/2012 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thing is, Christianity underwent change during the Age of Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution in the West. It had to alter to become less patriarchal and more about promoting wider social freedom, hence women being allowed to vote etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28135745 Islam has never had to undergo such a change. It's an anachronism in the 21st century, mainly followed by poor uneducated people who are easily led, and possibly pissed off with the West for exploiting them. Personally, I'd ban the practice of Islam if I ran a country, and deport any devotees to Saudi where they can live as they please. To be fair I would have to agree with this, very well put. Personally I find Islam, especially its history absolutely fascinating, and I have nothing against the people who practice it, apart from when it gets towards Sharia law and such and gets into that fundamentalist current (just like any religious fundamentalism). I am against multiculturalism as a whole (especially in the UK), I see it as a failed experiment and something that needs fixing. I honestly believe that Islam will never find a place in British society, it's pretty much the antithesis of British social codes. Absolutely! I love diversity and all the differently coloured people and their cultural histories. I mean, have you seen how hot some Arab women are? HOWEVER, they should also respect British culture and adapt/conform to our social norms, not vice versa. I would never dream of going to Saudi and demanding they change all their rules to accommodate my beliefs, and I would expect a similar reciprocal attitude. Diversity is great, but multiculturalism is not. It has been proven in the UK not to work. |
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IgnoranceIsNotBliss User ID: 27998488 Israel 11/21/2012 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ARAB MEDIA CRITICAL OF HAMAS LETTING GAZA BE A PAWN FOR IRAN! The critics claimed that Hamas’s rocket attacks on Israel are reckless and ineffective, and do nothing but give Israel an excuse to attack Gaza. Many also accused Iran of exploiting the Palestinian cause and of igniting the entire region in order to demonstrate its strength, improve its position in its nuclear negotiations, and draw attention away from the crisis in Syria. The following are excerpts from some of the articles: Kuwaiti Columnist: Hamas Is A Terrorist Organization ‘Abdallah Al-Hadlaq, a columnist for the Kuwaiti daily Al-Watan, harshly condemned the double standard of some in the Arab media, who call Hamas’s actions “resistance” or “jihad” and Israel’s response “aggression,” and added that Hamas is a terrorist organization killing innocent people. He wrote: “When terrorist organizations, including Hamas, fire mortars and rockets from the Gaza strip on cities in the Israeli south and kill innocent women and children, the misleading media call it ‘resistance’ or ‘refusal’ or ‘jihad operations,’ but when Israel attacks these organizations’ military and security installations inside the Gaza Strip in order to stop this terroristic firing of mortars and rockets, the media call Israel’s self-defense ‘aggression.’ These media outlets continue to discriminate and to call things by false names. They call the Israeli victims ‘casualties’ while Palestinian victims in the Gaza Strip are called ‘martyrs.’ These media outlets do not hesitate to deceive when they call Hamas’s attacks on innocent civilians in Israel’s southern cities ‘a right of the Palestinian resistance and jihad movements,’ while calling Israel’s defense of its people ‘the Israeli occupation army’s aggression towards Gaza.’ “The terrorist group Hamas has started a confrontation with the Israeli army that it cannot end. After they process the horror of the Israeli response, the Hamas leaders will say what the Persian terrorist, Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah, said: If I knew the Israeli response would be this severe, I would not have provoked it.”[1] Saudi Columnist: Hamas’s Rockets Give Israel An Excuse To Attack Gaza Saudi columnist Turki Al-Dakhil, who was one of the first to criticize Hamas, accused this organization of recklessly endangering the lives of Palestinian civilians and of providing Israel with excuses to attack Gaza. He wrote in the Saudi government daily Al-Riyadh: “Hamas is not immune from error. It makes many mistakes, which make it easier for Israel to commit crimes against it and which provide Israel with many pretexts to attack Gaza. This has occurred several times [in the past], and it is happening again today. Hamas’s escapades are placing Palestinian lives in danger. We know Israel is a criminal tyrant, but why do we give it an internationally[-accepted] excuse to retaliate? Why is Hamas [helping] Israel to seem like an oppressed country in the eyes of the world?… “We [Arabs] need not give Israel justification to act, according to the reasoning of the international [community], by firing missiles that are essentially harmless and of poor quality… Had Hamas been strong, and Hizbullah even stronger, we would not have rebuked them for what they do, because these are their decisions and their wars, and it is their business. But escapades that endanger the lives of Lebanese or Palestinian [civilians] are a great mistake – mistake we repeat once or twice every year, without learning a lesson… We support the Palestinian people and pray that Allah take pity on it and spare it the evil [brought upon it by] the leaders of some of its factions even before the evil of its enemies…” [2] Columnists: Violence Is Not The Answer, Considering Israel’s Superior Strength Hamada Fara’na, a columnist for the PA daily Al-Ayyam, wrote: “[The fact that] Hamas’s rockets, modest as they may seem, reach Israeli towns causes [us] to arrogantly deceive ourselves [that we possess] the ability to harm the enemy. They create the illusion that ongoing armament would create a balance of terror between us and the enemy, as Hizbullah’s rockets did in the past, and as the missiles of the martyr Saddam Hussein did before them.”[3] In his column in the government Saudi daily Al-Jazirah, Muhammad bin ‘Abd Al-Latif Aal Al-Sheikh wrote: “The solution is ‘the option of peace’ and not violence. These rockets that Hamas is raining down on Israel are not only primitive and militarily ineffective, but also serve [Israel's] interests in the [final] profit/loss calculation, give it a pretext to go far in its violent response, and force the international community to remain silent while Israel obliterates all in Gaza, and even to stand by it. This is evident from the White House statement on the recent Israeli operations. The Israelis would not have dared to launch such an operation without first meticulously calculating all their options and ensuring that it would be politically fruitful…”[4] Egyptian Columnists: Hamas’s Actions Have Devastating Consequences Gamal Al-Ghitani, editor of the weekly culture supplement of the Egyptian government daily Al-Akhbar, claimed in an article that Hamas’s policy is never intended for the good of the Palestinian interest, and expressed fear that this policy would be used by Israel as a pretext to occupy Sinai: “There is nothing that makes our hearts bleed like the pictures of the martyrs killed in Gaza as a result of Israeli fire and the mistakes of Hamas, which hijacked the [Gaza] Strip and its residents and forced them to accept its control and the control of its allies, in order to carry out a worrying policy that caused dire results. The most dangerous [result] is transforming the Palestinian cause from a national cause based on land and people to a religious issue… “Hamas’s plans… are never meant to benefit Palestine and the Palestinian cause. On the contrary, they grant a golden opportunity to the Israeli extremists to initiate a war against the defenseless Palestinian people… Hamas and its dangerous policy… place the entire homeland under a threat, the most minimal devastating consequence of which would be granting Israel a pretext to invade Sinai and recapture it in response to military operations launched from Sinai by factions associated with jihad organizations like Al-Qaeda and with [organizations] linked to Hamas… We must act wisely and reconcile the national and pan-Arab interests.”[5] Ibrahim ‘Issa, editor of the independent Egyptian daily Al-Dustour Al-Asli wrote: “It is our human, religious, and national duty to support the Palestinian people in Gaza without any bargaining. Avoiding [this duty] is a weakness and a disgrace. Notice that I call [to support] the Palestinian people – not Hamas – since Hamas’s decisions can sometimes be useful and correct, but can sometimes be disastrous for the people… This is a movement that has not conducted new elections to demonstrate the people’s consent or opposition to its policy, [even though] seven years have passed since the elections [that brought it to power], which were the first and last [elections it ever won]…”[6] Columnists: Gaza Is A Pawn On Iran’s Chessboard ... more at link [1] Al-Watan (Kuwait), November 17, 2012. [2] Al-Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), November 18, 2012. [3] Al-Ayyam (PA), November 18, 2012. [4] Al-Jazirah (Saudi Arabia), November 18, 2012. [5]Al-Akhbar (Egypt), November 17, 2012. [6] Al-Dustour Al-Asli (Egypt), November 18, 2012. [7]Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), November 19, 2012. [8] Elaph.com, November 19, 2012. [9] Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), November 20, 2012. 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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18358540 United States 11/21/2012 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hussein barack obama its not sounding to me like jewish name and i think that jews going to be in for big supries if this escalate and then somebody turn back on them ....... Quoting: velebit "Funding for the production and deployment of these additional Iron Dome batteries and interceptor missiles was approved by the United States Congress, after being requested by President Obama in 2010.[22] In May 2010, the White House announced that U.S. President Barack Obama would seek $205 million from U.S. Congress in his 2011 budget, to spur the production and deployment of additional Iron Dome batteries. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor stated, "The president recognizes the threat missiles and rockets fired by Hamas and Hezbollah pose to Israelis, and has therefore decided to seek funding from Congress to support the production of Israel's short range rocket defense system called Iron Dome." This would be the first direct U.S. investment in the project.[22] Such financial assistance could expedite the completion of the defensive system, which has long been delayed by budgetary shortfalls." [link to en.wikipedia.org] I could care less for Obama, but he has supported Israel. I would think if he did not, he would not have invested in Iron dome to expedite additional systems being deployed this year..... I'm no fan of Obama either, but he made up a lot of ground with me by his support of Israel. I hope it's sincere. |
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goodmockingbird User ID: 11364251 United States 11/21/2012 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jenan Moussa @jenanmoussa Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27800002 #pt: PFLP - GC who claimed responsibility for #TelAviv bus bombing, is very close to #Syria regime, has various camps in #Lebanon. War on Lebanon and Syria soon?? update: PFLP claims its group laid the explosive device in the bus in TA two claims now made, anyone else? Everybody wants a piece of that cake Can you say that in english? We say that in germany..Jeder will ein Stück vom Kuchen abhaben Yes, it translates literally. But we usually say 'a piece of the pie'. I Support Our First Responders |
AWFEKKIT User ID: 28206067 Egypt 11/21/2012 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's really one of the most difficult places on earth. If Egypt opened their border to Palestinian refugees that would be a big help, but sadly many use the situation as fodder for the conflict. They don't want to give up the Gazan front. Ideology (on both sides) trumping people's lives is deplorable. Quoting: tarfonwxx Egypt has too many problems of its own to open the border for refugees. There was talk about doing it the other day and popular dissent squashed it. Palestinians are on the bottom of the pecking order that is the social structure of the Arab world. For as much equality as Islam offers (and it does, in a lot of ways), in practice that's not the case. Quite simply, nobody would want them living in their neighborhood. More than that, Egypt heavily subsidizes its population. Every household, regardless of income, is entitled to a certain amount of free rice, cooking oil, tea, and sugar each month. Government bakeries sell bread for almost nothing. Fuel - gasoline, cooking gas, and electricity - are also subsidized, not only to households but to businesses as well. Egypt has already opened its doors to Libyan and Syrian refugees. With 90 million of its own to keep happy, an influx of pretty much a nation of people would be unsustainable. In theory, this would be ideal. But the reality is it just can't happen. |
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Éireann User ID: 28109964 United States 11/21/2012 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jenan Moussa @jenanmoussa Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27800002 #pt: PFLP - GC who claimed responsibility for #TelAviv bus bombing, is very close to #Syria regime, has various camps in #Lebanon. War on Lebanon and Syria soon?? update: PFLP claims its group laid the explosive device in the bus in TA two claims now made, anyone else? Yeah, right? Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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Éireann User ID: 28109964 United States 11/21/2012 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well i'm out for now. Quoting: Dr. Acula everyone be cool and have a good day, night whatever the lighting outside is for you :) See you at dark, my batty friend :) Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19897785 United States 11/21/2012 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | its getting uglier by the hour fucking scary shit my friends the bibletards and the korantards and the judeatards and whatever religitards iran are are all bringing about there damn holy endtimes BULLSHIT there gonna start fucking WW3 this world is insane our leaders are fucking psychopaths all because of religion REGILION my god, no. my god, no no its my god holytards bibletards ect ect but I still love all of ya I`m gone for now but rest assured I will return This aggression will not stand......man (the Dude) Finklestein Lives For I am Finklestein |
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ThesonofhendriX User ID: 1546575 United Kingdom 11/21/2012 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reporter on air on BBC World Service Radio when Israeli hit Gaza City Sports Stadium with 7 or 8 missiles. Worth a listen Quoting: DoorBert [link to soundcloud.com] Wow that sounded really scary ! Those IDF jets can sure pack a punch ! I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of those airstrikes that's for sure ! "health and safety" " health and safety"" That was the BBC their getting worried that somebody might sue their ass for getting injured whilst working for them. Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. |
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C3r371c User ID: 26538634 United Kingdom 11/21/2012 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thing is, Christianity underwent change during the Age of Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution in the West. It had to alter to become less patriarchal and more about promoting wider social freedom, hence women being allowed to vote etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28135745 Islam has never had to undergo such a change. It's an anachronism in the 21st century, mainly followed by poor uneducated people who are easily led, and possibly pissed off with the West for exploiting them. Personally, I'd ban the practice of Islam if I ran a country, and deport any devotees to Saudi where they can live as they please. To be fair I would have to agree with this, very well put. Personally I find Islam, especially its history absolutely fascinating, and I have nothing against the people who practice it, apart from when it gets towards Sharia law and such and gets into that fundamentalist current (just like any religious fundamentalism). I am against multiculturalism as a whole (especially in the UK), I see it as a failed experiment and something that needs fixing. I honestly believe that Islam will never find a place in British society, it's pretty much the antithesis of British social codes. Absolutely! I love diversity and all the differently coloured people and their cultural histories. I mean, have you seen how hot some Arab women are? HOWEVER, they should also respect British culture and adapt/conform to our social norms, not vice versa. I would never dream of going to Saudi and demanding they change all their rules to accommodate my beliefs, and I would expect a similar reciprocal attitude. Diversity is great, but multiculturalism is not. It has been proven in the UK not to work. Agreed. But mainly about the hotness of some Arab women... Lebanon seems to have a high proportion of hotness... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580790 United Kingdom 11/21/2012 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was brought up in a free country, as a christian but was not forced to obey this religion. I am free! Quoting: ThesonofhendriX When i see religions like Islam and the way they are forced to live, it looks hideous like living in some kind of prison camp in the darkages. Countries like Iran should not be allowed to exist in the 21st century. or at least they should not be allowed to interact with the rest of the world, and certainly should not be allowed to practise their sick beliefs in other peoples countries. Mate, just because they have different beliefs and laws, doesn't mean they deserve to die. Sure you're entitled to an opinion, but use a little common sense here, this is people's lives we're talking about, human beings, good and bad, there's extremes in all cultures and civilisations. The bad apples always ruin the rest of the barrel, and until humanity can rise above the act of killing each other because of fear or the unknown, that will never change. The stupid thing is, most of these religions preach from the same bible, "Thou shalt not kill" being one of the 10 commandments. And here they are killing each other in the name of their 'own' god, who happens to be the same god anyway. If they truly believe their bibles, then they are hypocrites, however I believe there's more to this than just beliefs, there's pure hatred, bigotry and racism at the root, if you wish to be a part of that, then so be it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 907170 United States 11/21/2012 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's really one of the most difficult places on earth. If Egypt opened their border to Palestinian refugees that would be a big help, but sadly many use the situation as fodder for the conflict. They don't want to give up the Gazan front. Ideology (on both sides) trumping people's lives is deplorable. Quoting: tarfonwxx Egypt has too many problems of its own to open the border for refugees. There was talk about doing it the other day and popular dissent squashed it. Palestinians are on the bottom of the pecking order that is the social structure of the Arab world. For as much equality as Islam offers (and it does, in a lot of ways), in practice that's not the case. Quite simply, nobody would want them living in their neighborhood. More than that, Egypt heavily subsidizes its population. Every household, regardless of income, is entitled to a certain amount of free rice, cooking oil, tea, and sugar each month. Government bakeries sell bread for almost nothing. Fuel - gasoline, cooking gas, and electricity - are also subsidized, not only to households but to businesses as well. Egypt has already opened its doors to Libyan and Syrian refugees. With 90 million of its own to keep happy, an influx of pretty much a nation of people would be unsustainable. In theory, this would be ideal. But the reality is it just can't happen. Thank you for your insight. |
tarfonwxx User ID: 4695650 United States 11/21/2012 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing that is so crucial is the respons from the middle east once Israel goes in to Gaza. Remember!! The landscape in the ME is totally diffreant then back in 2006. Quoting: Limpan That is the moment, that we know if SHTF situation will occur, or if there is just going to be a conflict between Hamas and Bibi gang?? muslim brotherhood = hamas don't let CNN convince you that Morsi is going to broker a peace deal! LOL! soon in JORDAN and SYRIA |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28205903 Canada 11/21/2012 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thing is, Christianity underwent change during the Age of Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution in the West. It had to alter to become less patriarchal and more about promoting wider social freedom, hence women being allowed to vote etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28135745 Islam has never had to undergo such a change. It's an anachronism in the 21st century, mainly followed by poor uneducated people who are easily led, and possibly pissed off with the West for exploiting them. Personally, I'd ban the practice of Islam if I ran a country, and deport any devotees to Saudi where they can live as they please. To be fair I would have to agree with this, very well put. Personally I find Islam, especially its history absolutely fascinating, and I have nothing against the people who practice it, apart from when it gets towards Sharia law and such and gets into that fundamentalist current (just like any religious fundamentalism). I am against multiculturalism as a whole (especially in the UK), I see it as a failed experiment and something that needs fixing. I honestly believe that Islam will never find a place in British society, it's pretty much the antithesis of British social codes. Absolutely! I love diversity and all the differently coloured people and their cultural histories. I mean, have you seen how hot some Arab women are? HOWEVER, they should also respect British culture and adapt/conform to our social norms, not vice versa. I would never dream of going to Saudi and demanding they change all their rules to accommodate my beliefs, and I would expect a similar reciprocal attitude. Diversity is great, but multiculturalism is not. It has been proven in the UK not to work. Agreed. But mainly about the hotness of some Arab women... Lebanon seems to have a high proportion of hotness... mmmm stinky molested currie hole. no thanks |
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