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Why shoot innocent people who break into your house?

 
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I'm sorry, I hope not many people seriously think this way.

"That is a disturbing thought that Americans would actually think to use those objects of violence known as guns on an innocent individual who decides to break into their homes. Why would you do that?"

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I would call it the typical Yahoo Answers troll but being that this person is a top contributor, I feel like there is a bit of seriousness there, besides the fact that people actually believe this.
 Quoting: Sneetch


If they are innocent, what the hell are they doing breaking into my house? You fuck up coming into my house, I will fuck you up in the extreme. I have no idea why you would suddenly and illegally have a need in my house, but I will have a need to end your need!
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I can live with that.
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Big talk. That's all. We have a world full of big talkers being run by about a hundred guys. Go kill those fuckers if you're so bad-ass....They are robbing you blind and poisoning your families...is that different??
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Stay focused. The thread was about breaking and entering.

Not a big talker here. Just a lot of life experience under arms.
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No, the thread was about first degree burglary. I can bring anything in to the conversation to make my point, and I did. A lot of experience with people who talk smack and never back it up.
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That is burglary dude, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't talk smack. Already been in the situation mentioned, more than oce.
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Also my thoughts in a way. No "innocent" person is going to get by, breaking into peoples homes and stealing shit. They'd sooner be a beggar that could simply come to the door and ask for a can of food or something else.
 Quoting: Sneetch


These are all different situations. I think the point was do you shoot in every situation?? That was the question in my mind anyhow. I really don't want my 4 year old looking at some guys brains on the wall in a situation that I knew I could have handled in a different manner. If there's no choice then there's no choice.
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Of course there are. The problem is the fact people in their right minds don't just wander into someone's home unannounced, its like trespassing into guarded territory. Sure, the guards COULD let you go, but if you saw the warnings and proceeded anyways, they're going to be reasonably suspicious as to what the hell you're doing.
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And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely.
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Then you need some better training. I'd suggest Massad Ayoob.

2 or 3 guys can be overcome. You just need the right skills.
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Big talk. That's all. We have a world full of big talkers being run by about a hundred guys. Go kill those fuckers if you're so bad-ass....They are robbing you blind and poisoning your families...is that different??
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Stay focused. The thread was about breaking and entering.

Not a big talker here. Just a lot of life experience under arms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069792


No, the thread was about first degree burglary. I can bring anything in to the conversation to make my point, and I did. A lot of experience with people who talk smack and never back it up.
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That is burglary dude, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't talk smack. Already been in the situation mentioned, more than oce.
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Point is that first degree burglary is burglary while someone is in the residence.

You killed those people then?
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Also my thoughts in a way. No "innocent" person is going to get by, breaking into peoples homes and stealing shit. They'd sooner be a beggar that could simply come to the door and ask for a can of food or something else.
 Quoting: Sneetch


These are all different situations. I think the point was do you shoot in every situation?? That was the question in my mind anyhow. I really don't want my 4 year old looking at some guys brains on the wall in a situation that I knew I could have handled in a different manner. If there's no choice then there's no choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Of course there are. The problem is the fact people in their right minds don't just wander into someone's home unannounced, its like trespassing into guarded territory. Sure, the guards COULD let you go, but if you saw the warnings and proceeded anyways, they're going to be reasonably suspicious as to what the hell you're doing.
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Lets be honest here. A guy that is obviously drunk and falling in your door is really a threat to you? I'm not talking about ANY other situation but this....You would have him in your sights and shoot to kill? I will believe you guys. You guys are some hardcore mofos though. Just sayin. I couldn't shoot some helpless guy just for fun. I could shoot or stab the guy who kicks in my door though. Unless you are carrying at all times...You'll be fighting. I would concentrate more on that. And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely. These are all different situations, and they all call for different reactions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


If he is breaking in he is not falling through your door. You do not just fall against a door into someone's house. Now, if he fell hard enough through a window - maybe this is plausible.
Obviously drunk people can be very dangerous. Many obviously drunk people have killed others.
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These are all different situations. I think the point was do you shoot in every situation?? That was the question in my mind anyhow. I really don't want my 4 year old looking at some guys brains on the wall in a situation that I knew I could have handled in a different manner. If there's no choice then there's no choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Of course there are. The problem is the fact people in their right minds don't just wander into someone's home unannounced, its like trespassing into guarded territory. Sure, the guards COULD let you go, but if you saw the warnings and proceeded anyways, they're going to be reasonably suspicious as to what the hell you're doing.
 Quoting: Sneetch



And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Then you need some better training. I'd suggest Massad Ayoob.

2 or 3 guys can be overcome. You just need the right skills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069792



Yes, in Hollywood where the guys come at you one at a time without any weapons and don't catch you completely off guard (and maybe even sneak up on you as your walking out your door). Yeah then you're right.

Give me a break. Spoken like somebody who hasn't been in any real fights or life threatening situations.
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Lets be honest here. A guy that is obviously drunk and falling in your door is really a threat to you? I'm not talking about ANY other situation but this....You would have him in your sights and shoot to kill? I will believe you guys. You guys are some hardcore mofos though. Just sayin. I couldn't shoot some helpless guy just for fun. I could shoot or stab the guy who kicks in my door though. Unless you are carrying at all times...You'll be fighting. I would concentrate more on that. And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely. These are all different situations, and they all call for different reactions.
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Well first, I'd wonder how he fell into the door hard enough to come stumbling in. Second, I do not trust drunk people, based on my experiences. A lot of them are just unpredictable, and unless its someone I knew, I'd have something ready, because i've seen a lot of drunks go from "haha thats funny" to "what the fuck did you say to me, i'll beat your ass".

Really, I don't want to murder someone, but if they proved to me that they were some scumbag who was going to harm me/my family, I wouldn't hesitate.
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These are all different situations. I think the point was do you shoot in every situation?? That was the question in my mind anyhow. I really don't want my 4 year old looking at some guys brains on the wall in a situation that I knew I could have handled in a different manner. If there's no choice then there's no choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Of course there are. The problem is the fact people in their right minds don't just wander into someone's home unannounced, its like trespassing into guarded territory. Sure, the guards COULD let you go, but if you saw the warnings and proceeded anyways, they're going to be reasonably suspicious as to what the hell you're doing.
 Quoting: Sneetch



Lets be honest here. A guy that is obviously drunk and falling in your door is really a threat to you? I'm not talking about ANY other situation but this....You would have him in your sights and shoot to kill? I will believe you guys. You guys are some hardcore mofos though. Just sayin. I couldn't shoot some helpless guy just for fun. I could shoot or stab the guy who kicks in my door though. Unless you are carrying at all times...You'll be fighting. I would concentrate more on that. And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely. These are all different situations, and they all call for different reactions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


If he is breaking in he is not falling through your door. You do not just fall against a door into someone's house. Now, if he fell hard enough through a window - maybe this is plausible.
Obviously drunk people can be very dangerous. Many obviously drunk people have killed others.
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So you can't give me even that ONE situation?

"Falling" through the door wasn't literal. I believe you're splitting hairs with this now.
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Stay focused. The thread was about breaking and entering.

Not a big talker here. Just a lot of life experience under arms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069792


No, the thread was about first degree burglary. I can bring anything in to the conversation to make my point, and I did. A lot of experience with people who talk smack and never back it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


That is burglary dude, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't talk smack. Already been in the situation mentioned, more than oce.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069792


Point is that first degree burglary is burglary while someone is in the residence.

You killed those people then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Each state has a different definition of burglary. Many states, it's "enters or remains unlawfully with the intent to commit a felony/crime". Whether anyone is home or not.

As for your last question, I'd never discuss that either way.
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Lets be honest here. A guy that is obviously drunk and falling in your door is really a threat to you? I'm not talking about ANY other situation but this....You would have him in your sights and shoot to kill? I will believe you guys. You guys are some hardcore mofos though. Just sayin. I couldn't shoot some helpless guy just for fun. I could shoot or stab the guy who kicks in my door though. Unless you are carrying at all times...You'll be fighting. I would concentrate more on that. And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely. These are all different situations, and they all call for different reactions.
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Well first, I'd wonder how he fell into the door hard enough to come stumbling in. Second, I do not trust drunk people, based on my experiences. A lot of them are just unpredictable, and unless its someone I knew, I'd have something ready, because i've seen a lot of drunks go from "haha thats funny" to "what the fuck did you say to me, i'll beat your ass".

Really, I don't want to murder someone, but if they proved to me that they were some scumbag who was going to harm me/my family, I wouldn't hesitate.
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That was basically my answer too.
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I'm sorry, I hope not many people seriously think this way.

"That is a disturbing thought that Americans would actually think to use those objects of violence known as guns on an innocent individual who decides to break into their homes. Why would you do that?"

[link to answers.yahoo.com]

I would call it the typical Yahoo Answers troll but being that this person is a top contributor, I feel like there is a bit of seriousness there, besides the fact that people actually believe this.
 Quoting: Sneetch


There are no INNOCENT people who invade your property, not with a paper, not with a uniform.
The primise of 'innocent' yet intentional invasion is mad on it's face.

WElcome to your newspeak
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No, the thread was about first degree burglary. I can bring anything in to the conversation to make my point, and I did. A lot of experience with people who talk smack and never back it up.
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That is burglary dude, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't talk smack. Already been in the situation mentioned, more than oce.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069792


Point is that first degree burglary is burglary while someone is in the residence.

You killed those people then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Each state has a different definition of burglary. Many states, it's "enters or remains unlawfully with the intent to commit a felony/crime". Whether anyone is home or not.

As for your last question, I'd never discuss that either way.
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It's OK, I wouldn't believe you anyway.
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That is burglary dude, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't talk smack. Already been in the situation mentioned, more than oce.
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Point is that first degree burglary is burglary while someone is in the residence.

You killed those people then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Each state has a different definition of burglary. Many states, it's "enters or remains unlawfully with the intent to commit a felony/crime". Whether anyone is home or not.

As for your last question, I'd never discuss that either way.
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It's OK, I wouldn't believe you anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506



Again splitting hairs. We were talking about a residence.
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In France you have to be totally sure that the guy who breaks into your house got a weapon, or you may be sent to prison.
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In France you have to be totally sure that the guy who breaks into your house got a weapon, or you may be sent to prison.
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haha see in america we dont check to see if you got a weapon first.

you are the weapon if you are breaking in to a unauthorized place. then my life comes in danger.

then its me or him.
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I am a firearms instructor and this is how we teach about this scenario. We call it the 21 foot rule.
In test after test this is how it breaks down: a man is within 21 feet of you and has a knife and you have a gun. The man with the knife can close that distance and attack you with that knife faster than you can draw your gun every time. The average attacker can close that distance in less than 2 seconds. So, by the time you unholster your weapon and make a judgement call you are toast.
If someone has broken into your house with you still in it chances are they are there to do more than rob you. I'm sure there are situations where they are drunk or confused, but how can you gamble with your life and lives of your family deciding what their intentions are?
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In France you have to be totally sure that the guy who breaks into your house got a weapon, or you may be sent to prison.
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I think something like that is rather iffy, especially for the fact that if they get met with resistance, it takes all of 3 seconds to brandish a weapon.
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I'm sorry, I hope not many people seriously think this way.

"That is a disturbing thought that Americans would actually think to use those objects of violence known as guns on an innocent individual who decides to break into their homes. Why would you do that?"

[link to answers.yahoo.com]

I would call it the typical Yahoo Answers troll but being that this person is a top contributor, I feel like there is a bit of seriousness there, besides the fact that people actually believe this.
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:Gunz2:
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I'm sorry, I hope not many people seriously think this way.

"That is a disturbing thought that Americans would actually think to use those objects of violence known as guns on an innocent individual who decides to break into their homes. Why would you do that?"

[link to answers.yahoo.com]

I would call it the typical Yahoo Answers troll but being that this person is a top contributor, I feel like there is a bit of seriousness there, besides the fact that people actually believe this.
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Why not?
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I am a firearms instructor and this is how we teach about this scenario. We call it the 21 foot rule.
In test after test this is how it breaks down: a man is within 21 feet of you and has a knife and you have a gun. The man with the knife can close that distance and attack you with that knife faster than you can draw your gun every time. The average attacker can close that distance in less than 2 seconds. So, by the time you unholster your weapon and make a judgement call you are toast.
If someone has broken into your house with you still in it chances are they are there to do more than rob you. I'm sure there are situations where they are drunk or confused, but how can you gamble with your life and lives of your family deciding what their intentions are?
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I know what you're talking about, which is another reason its very hard to decide what the guy breaking into your house is about to do.

Nice karma, please reveal yourself so I can see your reasoning. lol "Retard.... Protect your self & family. Wait,.. you don't have kid's...you woulden't understand..."

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Of course there are. The problem is the fact people in their right minds don't just wander into someone's home unannounced, its like trespassing into guarded territory. Sure, the guards COULD let you go, but if you saw the warnings and proceeded anyways, they're going to be reasonably suspicious as to what the hell you're doing.
 Quoting: Sneetch



Lets be honest here. A guy that is obviously drunk and falling in your door is really a threat to you? I'm not talking about ANY other situation but this....You would have him in your sights and shoot to kill? I will believe you guys. You guys are some hardcore mofos though. Just sayin. I couldn't shoot some helpless guy just for fun. I could shoot or stab the guy who kicks in my door though. Unless you are carrying at all times...You'll be fighting. I would concentrate more on that. And two or three guys and you're just fucked most likely. These are all different situations, and they all call for different reactions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


If he is breaking in he is not falling through your door. You do not just fall against a door into someone's house. Now, if he fell hard enough through a window - maybe this is plausible.
Obviously drunk people can be very dangerous. Many obviously drunk people have killed others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27162552



So you can't give me even that ONE situation?

"Falling" through the door wasn't literal. I believe you're splitting hairs with this now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


I do not see how it is a likely situation. I can not read your mind, I did not know your meaning other than what you wrote.

If he is not literally falling through the door then how is he "falling" through the door, how did it get open?
Did he knock on your door and you opened it for him? Then he could be falling through the door.
But this is about someone breaking in.
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When someone gains access to a house that's not theres, they are no longer "innocent". Blast away. If they should fall and die outside you're doorway, drag the body back inside. A tip from you're uncle Jim.
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Easy, if you break into my house, you aren't innocent.......
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Re: Why shoot innocent people who break into your house?
I am a firearms instructor and this is how we teach about this scenario. We call it the 21 foot rule.
In test after test this is how it breaks down: a man is within 21 feet of you and has a knife and you have a gun. The man with the knife can close that distance and attack you with that knife faster than you can draw your gun every time. The average attacker can close that distance in less than 2 seconds. So, by the time you unholster your weapon and make a judgement call you are toast.
If someone has broken into your house with you still in it chances are they are there to do more than rob you. I'm sure there are situations where they are drunk or confused, but how can you gamble with your life and lives of your family deciding what their intentions are?
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I know what you're talking about, which is another reason its very hard to decide what the guy breaking into your house is about to do.
 Quoting: Sneetch


I would hope we ALL would get up and do whatever the situation called for...hopefully.

My point was and still is that there ARE different situations. And they call for different reactions. Yep, there's a time NOT to shoot the 100 lb, full bearded, half retarded, homeless guy. That's my opinion. Sticking to it.
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In France you have to be totally sure that the guy who breaks into your house got a weapon, or you may be sent to prison.
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then stay there.
France: It's a whole nuther country...
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First of all a person who breaks into your house is not innocent, they are a criminal, its called breaking and entering. Break in on my home, and they will carry your ASS out in a body bag==no questions ask, their not innocent they are criminals. Innocent people knock first.
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My property my rules.

Thats it

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When someone gains access to a house that's not theres, they are no longer "innocent". Blast away. If they should fall and die outside you're doorway, drag the body back inside. A tip from you're uncle Jim.
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Yeah, drag the bloody body back inside. You couldn't do that shit BEFORE C.S.I.
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how about innocent rapists?
Theyre just looking for a little free love...
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Re: Why shoot innocent people who break into your house?
First of all a person who breaks into your house is not innocent, they are a criminal, its called breaking and entering. Break in on my home, and they will carry your ASS out in a body bag==no questions ask, their not innocent they are criminals. Innocent people knock first.
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It's not called breaking and entering if you're in the house. We covered this....

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