Seriously, Can Someone Explain Obamacare??

C'mon man you have to pass the legislation to find out what's in it.

USSA, the next COMMUNIST country. Never thought I would live to see this happen with my own eyes.

It took 200+ Years to build this greatest nation we live in and about 4 years to tear it all down.

Obama = Hitler

That big list makes Obamacare sound pretty good and reasonable.

I think if you're low income you'll never have to worry about a fine or being forced to pay it.

Under 30K Exempt
Muslims = Exempt
Amish = Exempt
Jewish = Exempt
Many companies = Expempt

What's the trend i see here? White, Christian, male --> Obamacare

As of now, there doesn't appear to be any "Exchange," that is, if you don't have health care, you pay a penalty tax for being uninsured, you don't get any sort of Govt. Exchange in the process. You're still uninsured, just paying for being uninsured.

It looks like the bill does a lot of good stuff and sticks it to the greedy insurance companies, but in the end, it looks like it will also be a huge burden on the economy and at the end of the day, insurance companies will make a killing in the long run since so many more people are going to end up buying insurance.

My argument is that the American DIET is what is leading to a health crisis, and that our medical care system, aside from excellent surgical care, is poor at helping or improving your long-term conditions like diabetes.

It looks as if people will have to buy private insurance, that way if they lose their job, or their employer drops their health care plan, the individual would still be insured regardless.

One of the things that attract people to jobs are benefits. Under this system, everyone will have to get private insurance plans or pay for not having a private insurance plan.

As for the American diet and what our health care system does/doesn't do, that's not really a question of insurance but rather medical practice.

The Exchanges and Mandate do not go into effect until 2014. Buy then we will hopefully have a better idea how this is going to work.

My workplace has already said they are going to pawn us off onto the exchange come 2014. I will be ok with that if they pay me the $12,000 yr. they say they pay for my Health Insurance as part of my compensation package.

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The exchanges are supposed to be offices to allow people to pick a plan if they're uninsured. But it's not actually a nation-wide health care plan. It's basically like going to an insurance salesmen to pick out the best insurance for your car. But this is mandatory and I can see pretty much everyone ultimately having to buy private insurance.

Companies won't offer benefits, and there is no National Health Care Insurance like in other countries. This is fucked up.

Wow.

a long depression that is decade(s) long, will make this
look like the most retarded concept since prohibition.

many years of very high unemployment and most americans
qualifying for free or cheap healthcare will be impossible.

democrats are nothing but weirdos who try to compel their
insanities on people that were minding their own business.

LOL. I still can't get over Pelosi saying that.

That's a good point. We may have to suffer under this system before its failure become apparent. Of course, will it ever be repealed or is this just a continuing downward spiral of ruining this country?

40% of business in Nacy Pelosies district get waviers to this as do must unions across the country..

i don't get why Romney never brought it up.. the amount of healthcare waviers is staggering.

Oh Obamacare is great unless you are a doctor or hospital or need care from one. Reimbursements will be cut by 5-10% for Medicare after years of being cut to below cost of seeing a patient already. A Medicare doctor gets paid less than a good plumber or electrician. I guess a plumber can get that clog out in your arteries. This is why doctors limit the number of Medicare patients they treat.

Note from Forbes ... Steve Daniels, a reporter with WTVD, led an investigation into problems with Medicare access in North Carolina. A team of volunteers used the “mystery shopper” method, posing as Medicare beneficiaries looking for a new doctor. Of the 200 family physicians they called, nearly half said that they were no longer accepting new Medicare patients.

Because they lose money from Medicare, doctors are forced to make money from private insurance patients. Yet, these insurance companies are starting to move their rates to be closer to Medicare because government will provide two plans on the state exchanges. So like Engand, you will have two level of care. One of everyone. One for the elite who can pay extra for insurance to gain access to doctors who charge more than a plumber rate.

Don't believe me on pay, see Times article ..... He notes that some master plumbers (about five to seven years experience) at the Cincinnati-based company make in excess of $100,000 a year. "A good plumber can pretty much write his ticket and make a good living with a good amount of experience," Abrams says.

Now a pediatrician, family practice doc, .... makes only $150,000 in a hospital setting. They have been forced to move to hospitals because of these low reimbursements and due to needing to computerize medical records and submit quality metrics to Medicare, not an easy tak even with computers. If the pay goes lower, why not become a plumber?

Hospitals want these docs though because they make money on surgeries and procedures. This is the reason why costs have spiraled out of control - those with deep pockets pay for others who dont. Thus, the hospitals need to pair a family doc with a surgeon to break even. Yet, the last straw is Medicare will give a fixed $ amount per illness instead of pay for each procedure and test. Sounds great because doctors order so many tests to milk the system. Right? Yet, if they don't do everything to save a patient life and they miss something, what happens? So are the tests due to make money or CYA. Now, they can make money from this new reimbursement system if they select the healthiest and simplistic patients to treat. They lose money on sicker patients who have more comic actions not covered by fixed fees. Guess how this will go. I laughed when Dems complain of Medicare Advantage marketing and profiting fom the healthiest seniors, as they just set up the exact same system. Good luck if you are chronically ill or morbitally obese as the removal of lifetime max will not benefit you because hospitals will be reluctant to treat you if they will not even 1/10 of the cost to treat you. Again, most hospitals will treat you. But, good docs will set up specialty centers to earn a living, letting the doctor who is all thumbs to the public hospitals.

The end game is a single payer system, then the government will decide everything. The ACA is just the road they are taking to get there, the system will implode and they know it.

It's not meant to be understood, it's meant to be such a massive piece of legislation that it can truly be whatever they want it to be. The intrusion has already been made with its passing. From here on out, it will only be expanded and ammended and added to.

Those who voted for this "gift" bestowed upon us need to ask: 45 million or so people were "uninsured" - presumably because they couldn't afford it - and this served as the impetus for such a massive bill. With the passage of this bill, how will said people suddenly now be able to afford health insurance or the fine levied against them when they do not purchase what they can't afford in the first place?

16 thousand new IRS agents will apparently be needed to enforce compliance of Obamacare. Businesses will have to hire additional personnel to oversee and administer compliance with the new Law, requiring additional salaries and benefits for these new positions, which will require the costs of goods and services to go up, which will be paid by you and me, the consumers.

Of course, they can always just keep costs down or at about the same by slashing jobs and hours of employees elsewhere.

Oh ya. That's precisely what's happening.

Thanks for clarifying that for me. My husband covers our family through his company and so far they kicked us out of an 80% plan into a 70% plan in order to not have to lay off or cut hours for 2013. We have to pay more for the 70% plan than the one we had. I am sitting back curious to see what will happen with all these employees when they find out they have to pay for it anyway.

What, exactly, is the legal definition of "you"?

THIS lol

Couldn't say it any better

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This is Satan speaking through this idiot woman.

Most evil thing to ever said.

Only negrids can understand negrid laws. Ask an intelligent negrid to explain it. Good luck on finding one.

Well said.